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Dear Mods, HBROWN was right - I am in opposition to this
Sep 5, 2020, 4:47 PM
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team, and its stated positions, some of which pointedly include support of the BLM organization and the "Black Lives Matter" movement. As such I will no longer support this Clemson Football season and have sent my tickets back to the Athletic Department, with a request for full refund of donations.
I have noted many on the Board who have vented anger at the NBA and its overt politicization, and have rejoiced in their failing marketability. Yet, here our team has come out in support of the same organization and I see no real opposition to that. I see this as simple failed commitment to principles.
What leads me to this decision is the recent tragedy in McAllen, Texas where two Cops were gunned down without cause or warning. When one deceased Policeman's Daughter attempted to post her feelings on Twitter, looking for support for her pain, the self-proclaimed "BLM" antagonists derided her post and slammed her presentation of the "BlueLivesMatter" logo. I find it highly instructive and ironic that the Organization that reaped in hundreds of millions of dollars with sympathy for George Floyd can find no sympathy for a young girl who has lost her Father in an equally senseless fashion.
This, along with other issues, tells me that the BLM Movement is more about Race and Racism, than it is about Humanity, and as such, I will not support anything associated with it, including this Team.
I am a 3rd generation Clemson grad, and while I don't take this action lightly, it is hardly difficult. I stand on the side of Equality of the Races, not political power grabs based on half-baked facts; on the side of safety and respect for our Policemen and Women; on the side of the value of Due Process for all, not Twitter lynchings; on the side of Humanity and Empathy for all. I also have a Brother who is a Policeman, and I stand on his side as well.
I find it completely sad that this Clemson Team has chosen a different path.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvZqLQMrKn8
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Re: Dear Mods, HBROWN was right - I am in opposition to this
Sep 5, 2020, 4:51 PM
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Agree with everything you posted with the exception BLM doesn’t give a #### about black people.
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Re: Dear Mods, HBROWN was right - I am in opposition to this
Sep 5, 2020, 4:59 PM
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Wow Olemike59. You absolutely have my respect! You are a man of principle and an example of the kind of stance that will keep this country strong and free. Now prepare to get blasted by the lefties.
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Oculus Spirit [93608]
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OK, so their riot when a black person is killed by a cop.
Sep 5, 2020, 5:58 PM
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First let me qualify the term 'BLM.' When I say 'BLM,' I am referring specifically and exclusively to Black Lives Matter the organization. Anyone who doesn't know what 'exclusively,' means, look it up now and you won't be confused.
Those men killed were resisting arrest. Hand on now, I'm not justifying the killing just stating the fact. Each of those men have criminal histories and the last three were in the process of committing a crime other than resisting arrest so let's recap.
Undisputed Fact Black Killed by police significant record of several crimes resisting arrest in the process of committing a crime or fleeing from a crime they committed
No reasonable person would say the primary reason they were killed was because they were black when so many other options are equally as prominent as the reason they were killed. If you fact check me and eliminate one or two of those points don't dismiss the rest because of my mistake, no reasonable person would do that.
It's fair to conclude that being killed by police is the primary reason just as it's possible to say it was because they were black. One might, as BLM does, say 'they were killed by police because they were black,' if you want to ride the line dividing reason and delusion.
What were we talking about, oh yeah, how much BLM cares about black people. How about the massive numbers of blacks killed who weren't giving the cops a choice of whether to kill them or not? Those babies killed in their beds and strollers, those teenagers killed by gang members shooting at one another? What about those lives?
My conclusion. BLM only cares about the black man who has a criminal record is resisting police, and either in the process of committing a crime or fleeing a crime. So no. BL does not M to them unless you're committing a crime or fleeing arrest.
But what about Taylor? Yeah, that blows but not my position. She was no more innocent than those children so if that garners support for BLM the then just say it out loud. BLM is more about police than black lives.
After saying that I want everyone to know, a black live is equal to any other life to me. Personally, black lives matter but I will admit, the three fatherless children who live next door to me mean as much as family and they matter more than anyone outside my family. The rest of you, white or black alike, not as much.
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Oculus Spirit [93608]
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One more point.
Sep 5, 2020, 6:00 PM
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I agree with any and everyone who wants to protest and march to say that black lives matter. Rioting, looting, assault and arson or murder is no way to say I care about anything other than my rage. IMO, those people don't give a chit about anything or anyone but themselves.
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Agree 100%***
Sep 5, 2020, 7:15 PM
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Where is the evidence that race was a cauasal factor in any
Sep 5, 2020, 7:14 PM
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of these killings? It seems to me that people just went nuts, assumed racism, and started burning #### to the ground because the person that died was black. No evidence it was because they were black.
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Re: Dear Mods, HBROWN was right - I am in opposition to this
Sep 5, 2020, 9:04 PM
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The daughter deserves respect to the fullest. Anyone who does not allow her to grieve can go to hell as far as I’m concerned. All lives matter.
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Re: Dear Mods, HBROWN was right - I am in opposition to this
Sep 5, 2020, 9:31 PM
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Well, bye.
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Standout [340]
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I kept wondering why you seemed to have such a hard-on for
Sep 6, 2020, 1:37 AM
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me, Chas15. Then I remembered the first time you responded to me and your little rant about "defending Trump". LOFL, what a mental midget.
Posted: Aug 6, 2020 6:39 AM
Cool rant. They are doing multi-institution studies, at this very moment, regarding use as prophylaxis for healthcare workers and as a treatment.
The lengths people who know literally nothing about any of this will stretch themselves to in order to defend a couple dumb Trump statements is striking.
Posted: Aug 6, 2020 6:50 AM
The NIH funded a trial called ORCHID that randomized almost 500 patients between April and June and was ultimately stopped after a fourth interim analysis showing no benefit for hospitalized patients.
Novartis, the manufacturer of plaquenil, also funded a trial that they stopped early.
There have been literally dozens of studies.
Well, it appears, with multiple additional studies on HCQ, your initial rant was quite possibly wrong - certainly wrong in prematurely dismissing the science as simply a "pro-Trump" folly. And this from the good "Doctor" himself, no less.
I guess now that it's clear who the Closed Minded Narcissist is among us, it's also obvious why you tend to lurk my posts. Good luck in overcoming your obsessive hate, pumpkin.
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You are so brave. What a sacrifice.
Sep 5, 2020, 10:55 PM
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I trust you won’t watch the Tigers this fall either? And asked for refund for one whole entire Covid season.
Thank you for your brave service posting on a Clemson board.
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Actually TigerDave, I did a little more
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Sep 6, 2020, 12:06 AM
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I sent my usual multiple thousand donation for Iptay into another, more appropriate fund:
Robyn Small National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund 202-737-8524 rsmall@nleomf.org
I'm sure that p*sses you off. Oh well.
Personally, I don't generally care if I deal with people who are little sh*ts like you and a few other on this Board. Unfortunately this world is too filled with selfishness and arrogance and lack of values, so it makes sense to encounter you here as well. You, like HBROWN, have your opinions, and if they're racist or ill-informed or just plain hair-brained, well ol' Thomas Jefferson says you count too. I do find it funny though that the ideals of the one person who consistently stands up for the likes of you, being Mr. Jefferson, is also at the top of the list of people you'd like "cancel".
The word "childish" can't even reach that far.
Clemson1988 and Franc and Obed and others may find empathy and patience and forgiveness for you. Not I.
Personally I hope they find a legal way to identify, arrest, and deport every person in this Country who stands against the Freedoms and Equality found in our Constitution. If that's you, so f*cking be it.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I don't think it's so much empathy and forgiveness...
Sep 6, 2020, 12:22 AM
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I think it is an ideal that Mr. Jefferson and our other forefathers demonstrated - an ability to respect opposing views. It's something our country sorely misses today.
People can call me names or curse me but I'm going to do my best to refrain from returning the favor.
Oh how we miss out on civil discourse by holing up in our ideological bunkers. I understtand some people are more comfortable there.
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this has NOTHING to do with Ideology, LOL
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Sep 6, 2020, 1:20 AM
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this has everything to do with what these people - Liberals in the Populace and those that make up a very real Deep State - are capable and intending of doing.
Nothing personal, but defending other people's rights to an opinion isn't particularly effective when they're in the process of taking away your very Freedom itself.
People think the next Civil War is going to be fought with guns. Oh, maybe there'll be some shooting. But the real action is going to be with Lawyers in Courts, Courts led by Judges who have literally raped the Constitution for the last 40 years.
Several years back I took a Legal problem to a reasonably large Law Firm in a nearby metropolis. I sat in with two Partners, one who was a year or two away from retirement; a gentle Jewish man in his late 60's. They listened to my issue for 45 minutes - challenging at every step. In the end they didn't disagree the Legal validity of my claim in any way - and neither has any Court since. In the end though, they demurred taking the case suggesting they "didn't work with those issues in that State anymore". When asked for a referral, they simply held up their hands.
In the end, their concerted suggestion: "Take it to the Media". Apparently the Law is no longer equal for all.
This is what is being done every day to our Freedoms in the name of Liberalization and Diversity. But hey, it's your life.
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This checks most boxes. B+
Sep 6, 2020, 1:33 AM
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Liberals. Check Deep state. Check Taking away freedom. Check Guns. Check Constitution. Check Media. Check
Lose points for not listing socialism and marxism.
Are you looking for lawyers to do pro bono work? Or are you paying cash? I know plenty of lawyers that can help if you fund them (even gentle Jewish men of all ages which is strange you called that out).
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so now we're pulling out the "tin foil hat" derision?
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Sep 6, 2020, 1:43 AM
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getting to the bottom of the barrel there, aren't we, Dave? LOL
You Liberals have nothing - nothing except your snark, and cute little black outfits with matching umbrellas. LOFL. You literally have nothing of substantive argument anymore, just hate for those who know how to live a life of principle.
Call me anything you want to, Dave. When you do so, it's not me who is diminished. Best.
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Trump is living the life of principle?
Sep 6, 2020, 1:52 AM
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You need to reconsider your heroes. God bless ya.
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Standout [340]
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again you distort - certainly I never said that
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Sep 6, 2020, 2:05 AM
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I personally have no knowledge of what Trump or Biden or Pelosi do - well except when Nancy goes to get her hair done it seems. Then I have to watch it ad nauseam.
why do you continue to distort Dave? why is it that you can't stick to the issues at hand?
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Oh, and please don't "God Bless" me
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Sep 6, 2020, 2:07 AM
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you and I don't worship the same God.
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Shalom aleichem
Sep 6, 2020, 2:20 AM
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Is that better for you and your G-d?
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oh no, you misunderstand - you and I may actually even sit
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Sep 6, 2020, 2:24 AM
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in the same Church.
We simply don't worship the same God. Not at all.
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Why would I care where you donate money?
Sep 6, 2020, 12:33 AM
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I encourage you to donate to any charity you see fit. That memorial fund is a good one.
Strange that you think folks would feel anger over people being generous. Strange that you need to go into a Clemson message board seeking support for your cancel culture of Clemson football.
Let me know when you stop watching Clemson football. You support cancel culture, so stick to your morals. I’m not canceling Jefferson or anything, so I guess you’re the snowflake around here.
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Strange that you would intentionally distort my words and
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Sep 6, 2020, 1:08 AM
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my message - oh wait, you're a Liberal Liar, and this is what you people do all the time.
Carry on then, buffoon.
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what did I distort?
Sep 6, 2020, 1:19 AM
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You sure make a lot of projections and statements not based in fact.
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good lord - I have no problems with "Clemson football"
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Sep 6, 2020, 1:26 AM
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I specifically stated "This Team", because it is this team that has made "BLM" a movement that they openly support.
Clemson Football as a Program has been hijacked by a bunch of extremists that are pandered to by the Media and by Liberals. When the Program decides to limit itself to the confines of its original call, then I will be happy to support it again.
If you can't rationalize things or read any better than that, please consider whether you should be arguing with someone else's opinion.
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Looks like you’re never coming back
Sep 6, 2020, 1:39 AM
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You think football players will become less woke or vocal over time? Trevor Lawrence and Dabo are extremists? Are we talking about the same team?
If you can’t see this years team has the same cast and coach as prior years you supported, please take the same mental tests as Biden and Trump.
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If I never come back then so be it, but again you distort
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Sep 6, 2020, 1:56 AM
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THIS isn't about specific players. I support these young men, and have supported literally generations of others like them over the years, without regard their politics or race.
What I do not support is the Politicization of the Team and the Program. Whether "woke" or not. It simply isn't appropriate. Their position as "Sports" figures provides them no insight of value to this society any more than that of a ballerina dancer or a Doctor or a metal worker.
Further to use the concept of the "Team" as a method to aggregate support for that Politicization simply hijacks the purpose of the Program itself. But I am sure that your Liberal demons at ESPN and SI will tell you different.
What's really sad is to see young men be so easily manipulated by people who intend them harm.
As to Mr. Swinney, he has my support as well. He is a great man. But great men make mistakes all the time, and he's made one here in my estimation.
But hey, I get it - you disagree. Surprise, surprise.
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Its too late for me to process the mental gymnastics you use to rationalize things
Sep 6, 2020, 2:07 AM
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Good luck finding another sports team to support. Maybe Bob Jones?
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Was disappointed that Dabo “seemed” to get caught up in the BLM Organization..
Sep 6, 2020, 1:15 AM
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as well as the true meaning & neat logo, but I’m sure he knew what he was doing and went along with his team.
Sorta sad that such a great slogan of “Black Lives Matter” was trade-marked as it may be by 2-3 Females who are self-confirmed Marxists, gays, haters of the family unit and organizing rebels of hate..
as well as calling for the overthrow of Capitalism and the U.S. of America as they see it now.
Now, with tens of millions of new $ from liberal & weeny high-tech CEO’s & industrialists who felt guilty, BLM Organization will be spilling hate, disorder & Marxist agendas into politics and in the far left side of the Democratic Party, especially if Biden wins.
Heaven forbid!
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oh, aren't you so "new age" with your GIF's and vids
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Sep 6, 2020, 1:57 AM
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so predictable. What's the matter; Cat got your tongue?
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Oculus Spirit [83000]
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Low-tech:
Sep 6, 2020, 2:07 AM
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Bye.
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Wow, Clemson Mountaineers. What a snowflake.***
Sep 6, 2020, 1:46 PM
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