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Mack Brown suggestion for playoffs, Power 5 & Group of 5
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Mack Brown suggestion for playoffs, Power 5 & Group of 5


Dec 22, 2020, 10:08 AM

I heard Mack Brown talking Sunday on the playoff selection show and he had an interesting idea. His premise was that, in all reality, no Group of 5 team will ever make the playoffs. Just not going to happen. Given that, he suggested having TWO CFP polls and playoffs - one for Power 5 and one for Group of 5. Pretty much a new division within the FBS. Then Cincinnati or Coastal or UCF or whomever could claim a legitimate national championship. I doubt it will happen, but in my opinion, it's made the most sense of any alternative I've heard anybody else come up with. Simply put, the Group of 5 teams will not be able to hang with the big boys in the Power 5. They can hang with the 2nd tier, as they've shown, but not the top tier. You could then have some great bowl matchups. For example, I like the Cincinnati/UGa matchup. That could be a great game. I was disappointed with the Coastal/Liberty matchup. I would've like to have seen what Coastal could've done with another big dog like BYU.

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Dec 22, 2020, 10:17 AM

We already have that. The FCS does just that.

I think there needs to be a path. For example, for a long time, the ACC was not considered a "power conference". It took 50ish years and a lot of luck before any undefeated team won a natty. It was a long up hill slog for the conference to merit that conversation. But that also happened when conferences were both smaller and did not hold as much power (and didn't raid lesser conferences).

I think the Gof5 needs a path. However, they want to format it but 2020 proved that a P5 team could play 6 games, force conference rule changes, and play lesser competition and still qualify over Gof5 teams. That is suspect.

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Re: Mack Brown suggestion for playoffs, Power 5 & Group of 5


Dec 22, 2020, 10:26 AM

How is that suspect? You cannot legitimately argue that the talent level between Cincinnati and any of the CFP teams is even in the same stratosphere. Just watch them get on the bus and it will tell you all you need to know.

Could there be a time in the future when recruiting shifts and 4 & 5 star players fill the rosters of a GO5 team? Maybe. But it’s not the case now. They don’t deserve a shot at a national title because they don’t belong. That’s hard to hear in 2020 socialist America but it’s true.

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Dec 22, 2020, 10:54 AM

Because if we were just handing out awards for "talent level" then Jawja would be the undefeated champion for the past 15 years and Clemson would only sniff a top 15 spot a few times (our recruiting ranked about 15ish during the Watson era).

We need to provide a "path" because if OSU can bend every rule to remain eligible with 5/6 wins over no-body, then a Cincy should have shot.

Not only that, but with P5 not playing anyone OOC this year - and limiting OOC in the future with 9+ conference games, I agree that the Gof5 claiming things are rigged against them is correct.

Are you saying that a Cincy has no mathmatical shot to a championship but technically Vanderbilt does... just because of conference affiliation?

I think that any Division I program should have a shot. Covid 2020 was at least a possible year with the B10 and P12 only playing a 1/2 season, but an abnormal year proved the rule more that allowed an opening

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Dec 22, 2020, 11:15 AM

Nothing is rigged against them. Stop with the cultural narrative. Cincinnati is not in the CFP because they don’t belong on the field with Alabama, Clemson, OSU, or Notre Dame...and probably 5-6 other teams.

This kind of conversation is fueled by a generation plagued with having been raised believing there is no game they can’t play, no toy they can’t have, and nothing they can’t achieve. Reality is...there are some things in life that not everyone gets to experience.

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Re: Mack Brown suggestion for playoffs, Power 5 & Group of 5


Dec 22, 2020, 11:27 AM

SE,

I think YOU are the one injecting a social narrative in here.

TEAMS are more than just the talent level of the individual players. That is why Clemson has beaten OSU 4 times in a row.

If you really think Cincy doesn't belong on the same filed as ND, show me the evidence - on the field !!

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Dec 22, 2020, 11:55 AM

We have been doing that for years. Boise State learned the hard way. Central Florida had one or two good years and went back to reality. And they played in a big ball game against a big team they would’ve gotten their butt kicked. Teams with far better talent are mediocre In power five conference is. Life’s not fair. Life is hard. And you have to earn the opportunity and privilege to play for a championship.
It’s not given to you because you play a week schedule and happen to put together a good year.

Show me any sport anywhere in the world professional or amateur at any given time in history where before the season started and when the season ended there was a big difference in white people are predicting. And there will always be exceptions but the reality is in sports with a high degree of probability we know before any season starts who the teams will probably be playing for the championship at the end. It has always been that way and it will always be that way because that’s how nature and science work. And this is about nature and science because it’s about having the bigger faster stronger better athletes. Who almost always have the better coaching as well.

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Re: Mack Brown suggestion for playoffs, Power 5 & Group of 5


Dec 22, 2020, 1:24 PM

I *think* you saying "there are always exceptions" kinda shows that *yes* the little guys can win it all.

How about in 1981? Some unranked school went undefeated in a conference that had never won a National Championship? Should they have been tossed out because they were from an inferior conference?

"Life’s not fair. Life is hard. And you have to earn the opportunity and privilege to play for a championship. It’s not given to you because you play a week schedule and happen to put together a good year." Lol this IS 31-0 this year!

What I am advocating is that any D1 schools has the ability to "earn" a shot at a title. I think going undefeated for nearly 2+ seasons us a bit absurd to not even be considered to play for a championship.

I think it is absurd that the schools name on the uniform matter more than the heart, brain, and muscles that lie beneath.

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Re: Mack Brown suggestion for playoffs, Power 5 & Group of 5


Dec 22, 2020, 11:32 AM [ in reply to Re: Mack Brown suggestion for playoffs, Power 5 & Group of 5 ]

Yes moron the games have to be played. But football is not other sports. Upsets are very rare. Football it’s not like baseball or basketball we’re a team with inferior talent to get hot at the right time and win multiple games in a row. Yes a Power Five team can get upset every now and then by a lesser program. But that programs not gonna win 2 or 3 games in a row against better teams.

Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Duke, Marshall, and plenty of other power five teams shouldn’t even be in a power five conference. They don’t even try and win. They just like that money. Duke likes that football money for their basketball program.

Clemson has proven you don’t have to have a top-five recruiting class every year to be great. Because honestly and I have been saying this for years coaching matters more but you still have to have talent. Just got equal talent. But you still have to be in the same universe.

Pick any sport amateur or professional and go back through history and there have always been dominant teams regardless of the format regardless of the type of playoff. Changing scholarships changing the playoff format none of that matters. None of that will change anything. Notre Dame has had built-in advantages for decades but have only won one national championship in the last 40 years.

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Dec 22, 2020, 1:31 PM

Upsets are rare? No what is really rare is the preseason top 4 being the top 4.

Louisiana over ISU? Coots over anyone. App State over Meechigan. FCS over coots. Remember ULL over a Saban coached Alabama? VT over 31-0 in Columbus. Clemson over Alabama's greatest. Clemson was at one time expected to lose to Oklahoma as the #1 seed.

I am sure they try to win, shesh. Otherwise Duke would not have won in 1989...

But dominant teams today, or yesterday do mean they will remain dominant. No one thought that Butler would ever play for two championships... or what about San Fan? Otherwise, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn would still be the best. Clemson should never compete against Georgia Tech. Duke could still be a powershouse. And Pitt is the most storied program ever.

Fluidity is good for sports. It rewards programs, especially smaller programs to take risks on young coaches and hopefully keep them around with a path.

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Re: Mack Brown suggestion for playoffs, Power 5 & Group of 5


Dec 22, 2020, 10:31 AM

Great idea imo. Good for ratings.

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So participation trophy, eh? They don't want to be DII, and


Dec 22, 2020, 10:39 AM

they can't hang with the big boys. So let's make a "almost big boys" division. Riiiiiiiiight. Hey, if you make enough divisions there can be 20 college football national champs!

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So there should not be a FCS? Or a division II?***


Dec 22, 2020, 10:45 AM



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Just saying how many champs does it take before teams just


Dec 22, 2020, 11:40 AM

go get better instead of whining that they aren't included? Of course Georgia will never keep whining..............

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Re: Mack Brown suggestion for playoffs, Power 5 & Group of 5


Dec 22, 2020, 10:49 AM

I think it is a good idea. Lets have apples to apples, not say its apples to apples but not really....

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It's simple really..


Dec 22, 2020, 11:21 AM

Schedule more teams from power 5 schools..

If you beat that team and go through your conference undefeated(that's including your Conference Championship)

You deserve a shot at the CFP...

If you don't... Don't whine about it(a la o cryo state)

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Re: Mack Brown suggestion for playoffs, Power 5 & Group of 5


Dec 22, 2020, 1:30 PM

South Carolina St and the citadel never belong on the field with Clemson. Sure every now and then they don’t get embarrassed and even less occasionally they win. It’s a pointless waste of a Saturday

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