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CU Medallion [59974]
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Ok, so I am just going to say this...
Oct 14, 2020, 3:31 PM
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I 100% do not believe in the COVID death numbers. It’s a real virus and it effects people differently and it does kill. However, I do not believe the daily numbers and I do believe that if you die of pancreatic cancer, but test positive they mark you as a death. That’s insanity.
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Re: Ok, so I am just going to say this...
Oct 14, 2020, 3:34 PM
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We should have never shut everything down. We should have had everyone wear masks, washed hands often, and had social distancing, and just moved on with life as pretty much normal as can be.
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I think it's likely the best we can do.
Oct 14, 2020, 3:35 PM
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It may overcount, in that the person may have died anyway without COVID. But I suspect it would also undercount, in that we don't know how many people may have died that never got tested.
On the whole, I trust that the authorities are doing the best they can to collect the best data possible.
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Oculus Spirit [81628]
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How do you explain the excess mortality we have?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:37 PM
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I don't know the current numbers, but a couple months ago we were tracking 170,000 labeled Covid-19 deaths, but 200,000 excess mortality from the previous 5 years averages that this point in the year.
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Heisman Winner [137789]
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Which includes a dramatic decrease in auto deaths,
Oct 14, 2020, 3:38 PM
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as well.
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CU Medallion [59974]
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So here is my thing
Oct 14, 2020, 4:36 PM
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mu bud is a local journalist and has his own podcast. So through FOIA and CDC stats we worked on the excess death number. There is right at 10,000 excess deaths this year. Highway crashes and deaths are up considerably, about 20%, because of people using the highways as a race track.
So 10,000 is a considerable number, but does it warrant shutting down 30% of small business?
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CU Medallion [59974]
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Re: So here is my thing
Oct 14, 2020, 4:36 PM
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we did this high and drunk, so take it as it is
full disclosure.
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Legend [15492]
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Re: So here is my thing
Oct 14, 2020, 6:34 PM
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we did this high and drunk, so take it as it is
full disclosure.
Oops! I didn't see this when I replied to your original post.
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Legend [15492]
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Re: So here is my thing
Oct 14, 2020, 6:32 PM
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You realize that conservative Republicans control the Senate, right? Do you really think they would let the economy crash on bogus numbers?
Tell your podcast buddy that he needs to stick with his day job.
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CU Medallion [59974]
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He has a pulitzer from his time at
Oct 14, 2020, 9:06 PM
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NYT, so yeah, you might want to take back that comment.
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CU Medallion [59974]
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Re: I am looking for data and nowhere do I see the 10k number.
Oct 15, 2020, 8:02 AM
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I was stating that number just for my state.
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Re: How do you explain the excess mortality we have?
Oct 14, 2020, 8:37 PM
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Baby Boomers - in 2019, 16.5% of the U.S. population were over 65. Increased deaths every year with or without COVID is going to be the norm for years to come. Maybe Cuomo can send some more people with coronavirus to the nursing homes.
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Re: How do you explain the excess mortality we have?
Oct 14, 2020, 8:42 PM
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Death stocks a good investment?
Should I buy shares of SCI?
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Oculus Spirit [97664]
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Re: I do.
Oct 14, 2020, 4:06 PM
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The funny thing is, I know somebody's already used that argument on him before...but he knows what he knows, don't trouble him with the facts. Won't make a dent when he makes the same proclamation again in a month either.
How it goes, with some folks.
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Re: I do.
Oct 14, 2020, 4:14 PM
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Re: I do.
Oct 14, 2020, 5:39 PM
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Oh, it gets better than that
Oct 14, 2020, 4:14 PM
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From March 2020 through (I think) May 2020, the CDC guidelines allowed hospitals/doctors/etc to code cases as COVID-19 positive if patients met a certain number of criteria. For example, running a fever, pneumonia like symptoms, etc, patients were coded as COVID positive EVEN WITHOUT BEING TESTED. My opinion is that the data is f#cked, but at best, it is unreliable.
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It can't be overstated how much courage it takes to
Oct 14, 2020, 4:16 PM
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come out and say what you really think on an anonymous message board, so I want to applaud you for your bravery in coming forward with your opinion and I think it will make a real difference in the world.
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Re: Ok, so I am just going to say this...
Oct 14, 2020, 4:42 PM
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However, I do not believe the daily numbers and I do believe that if you die of pancreatic cancer, but test positive they mark you as a death. That’s insanity.
Is there some actual documented proof that's happening? What leads you to believe that?
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CU Medallion [59974]
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the fact that hospitals are
Oct 14, 2020, 4:51 PM
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getting a substantial boost from reporting COVID deaths.
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110%er [9646]
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They do get paid more - but there is no evidence that
Oct 15, 2020, 9:42 AM
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hospitals are lying to get that extra cash.
It seems like it would be pretty easy to look into...by someone who would have something to gain...like the Trump administration...which they apparently haven't done...or they have and there was nothing to be found.
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The biggest thing that would happen if they were...
Oct 15, 2020, 10:16 AM
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Is that we would get a lot more whistle blowers. Too many great doctors and nurses would come screaming forward to call BS on it all if it were happening.
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Further on this, hospitals are getting compensation
Oct 15, 2020, 10:23 AM
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from Medicare from patients on Medicare just like they do for any other reason a Medicare recipient is hospitalized. This according to a published rate that varies by illness. Covid hospitalizations are reimbursed at a rate similar to flu hospitalizations.
I mean, to call this a big healthcare scam.....why wouldn't it have started sooner? Why not call a sprained wrist a broken wrist needing surgery? Why not call a kidney stone a ruptured appendix or something?
People are farking stupid to think hospitals are just straight up lying for payment. Far too much money at stake for some short term nonsense. Obligatory I'm sure there is a person somewhere that is fraudulent, but certainly not all over the place....WORLDWIDE.
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Re: Ok, so I am just going to say this...
Oct 14, 2020, 10:18 PM
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“Experts say”.... can’t argue with that
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Re: Ok, so I am just going to say this...
Oct 15, 2020, 10:20 AM
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Then refute their statements with evidence.
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Re: Ok, so I am just going to say this...
Oct 15, 2020, 10:37 AM
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Wait just one min. You guys believe truth over facts so why bother?
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Legend [15492]
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Re: Ok, so I am just going to say this...
Oct 14, 2020, 6:25 PM
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I 100% do not believe in the COVID death numbers. It’s a real virus and it effects people differently and it does kill. However, I do not believe the daily numbers and I do believe that if you die of pancreatic cancer, but test positive they mark you as a death. That’s insanity.
Liverpool, England was put into a full shutdown today. Shows how powerful the umm, lib hoaxers are in this country. The CDC, NIH, the US Govt., all 50 states, the media and even Trump's own Coronavirus Task Force, not to mention Johns Hopkins University and every pharmaceutical company in the world. Wow, the libs are a powerful bunch.
The US, Europe, Asia, South America....ummm, the whole freaking world practically, disagrees with you my friend.
Embrace the "post-truth' era if you like. But not me.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/lockdown-coronavirus-threetier-system-north-liverpool-merseyside-a4568411.html
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Re: Ok, so I am just going to say this...
Oct 14, 2020, 9:01 PM
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yes, doctors all over the country are systematically committing fraud and putting their medical licenses at risk as a part of some sort of conspiracy. For what reason?
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World, but who's seriously counting...?***
Oct 14, 2020, 9:04 PM
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Re: Ok, so I am just going to say this...
Oct 15, 2020, 7:29 AM
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The next time I hear some stupid Democrat who majored in Gender Studies say "follow the science" I'm going to blow up the white house. Oh, Madonna already said that...I'm, I'm gonna hold up a bloody head of Trump, Oh Kathy Griffin already did that. I'm going to strip naked, smoke pot, have a threesome and take a lot of photos so they can be posted - darnit, Katie Hill (D) of CA already did that.
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