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Heisman Winner [119598]
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80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 1, 2020, 9:10 PM
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60 Minutes a short while ago. At least 1/3 of total deaths. I believe close to half of those were in NY State.
So....about 150,000 occurred in the general population, around 0.044%.
And we know that the covid death numbers have been stretched by clinics/hospitals b/c they get more $$.
Hmmmm...
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 1, 2020, 9:15 PM
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Yeah, it's ridiculous to look at what we are doing to everyone when we know what the at-risk population is.
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Europe did a great job***
Nov 1, 2020, 9:17 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Wait a few minutes and one of the resident P&Rers...
Nov 1, 2020, 9:16 PM
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Will correct you with some talking points
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Do hospitals really get more $ for Covid deaths?
Nov 1, 2020, 9:24 PM
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I've heard this, but just spent 30 sec googling, no deep research.
I do know for a fact a few people I personally know who died from covid, a 50-something nurse, a few 70-80 somethings, who were never tested in the early days, but seemed by the family to be covid deaths. Their death certificates did not list covid as the cause or a contributing factor. I know for a fact the 50-something guy's insurance didn't say covid, don't know for a fact about the medicaire claims for the older folks, just what the death certificates said.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-baselessly-suggests-covid-19-deaths-inflated-for-profit/
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 1, 2020, 9:33 PM
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"And we know that the covid death numbers have been stretched by clinics/hospitals b/c they get more $$."
Look I know that as some anonymous random internet person I'm not going to convince anyone who has already decided that there is a conspiracy to inflate COVID death numbers, but if anyone is still wondering in their mind about this, I just want to make clear that this is an outright falsehood. Frankly, the fact that the President of the US is repeating this conspiracy theory is appalling.
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 1, 2020, 9:38 PM
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I agree with you on that statement.
What are your thoughts on the nursing home figures?
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 1, 2020, 9:45 PM
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Oh I don't doubt it for a second, it's the same population that is most affected by all seasonal respiratory infections. COVID is moving around the world culling the old and the sick.
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Ok, let’s say they are not stretched, even though I have
Nov 1, 2020, 9:41 PM
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First hand knowledge that it occurs....
You still haven’t addressed the 0.044% and why it’s worth shutting down our economy and peoples’ livelihoods...
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Re: Ok, let’s say they are not stretched, even though I have
Nov 1, 2020, 9:46 PM
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I'm quite certain it isn't worth shutting down the economy over. I also think there is room for nuance between do nothing and stay at home orders.
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Re: Ok, let’s say they are not stretched, even though I have
Nov 1, 2020, 9:50 PM
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Just to clarify and provide an explanation for my own position, when the shutdowns happened and hospitals everywhere prepared for "the surge," we stopped all elective surgery for months. I make a living doing elective surgery, so clearly I have vested interest in that not happening again. Hospitals had to lay off or furlough significant portions of their staff. This was bad for everyone, patients, doctors, and the local economies that hospitals create.
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Why not ask Russia, China, Australia, Iran, South Africa,
Nov 1, 2020, 9:57 PM
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Peru, Argentina, France, Nigeria, India, Germany, Norway, Spain, Italy, Turkey, Israel, Canada, Paraguay,... etc. the same question. Was it a dem conspiracy? Were their numbers inflated by Medicare payments?
There's a world out there. Most of which has shut down far more than us. Totalitarian, democracies, theocracies, socialists, dictatorships, and none with an MSM either. And they're having riots too. Religious riots. Economic riots. Riots against corruption. Riots against police brutality. In all those countries.
But carry on. We're free. Free to believe whatever we want.
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 1, 2020, 9:46 PM
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"And we know that the covid death numbers have been stretched by clinics/hospitals b/c they get more $$."
Look I know that as some anonymous random internet person I'm not going to convince anyone who has already decided that there is a conspiracy to inflate COVID death numbers, but if anyone is still wondering in their mind about this, I just want to make clear that this is an outright falsehood. Frankly, the fact that the President of the US is repeating this conspiracy theory is appalling.
Yep, it's appalling that TheRump would repeat lies, or invent lies, but it happens about 25 times per day on average, or about 100 times per day at his multiple superspreader events.
So, when MAGA supporters come down w C-19 next week, will they think to blame TheRump? No, they are on the "turned-the-corner" believers. TheRump actually is correct when he says that -- the number of cases are rising like a space booster rocket. (He's an idiot. But really, how gullible can the 36% be?)
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 1, 2020, 9:46 PM
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"And we know that the covid death numbers have been stretched by clinics/hospitals b/c they get more $$."
Look I know that as some anonymous random internet person I'm not going to convince anyone who has already decided that there is a conspiracy to inflate COVID death numbers, but if anyone is still wondering in their mind about this, I just want to make clear that this is an outright falsehood. Frankly, the fact that the President of the US is repeating this conspiracy theory is appalling.
Yep, it's appalling that TheRump would repeat lies, or invent lies, but it happens about 25 times per day on average, or about 100 times per day at his multiple superspreader events.
So, when MAGA supporters come down w C-19 next week, will they think to blame TheRump? No, they are on the "turned-the-corner" believers. TheRump actually is correct when he says that -- the number of cases are rising like a space booster rocket. (He's an idiot. But really, how gullible can the 36% be?)
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 1, 2020, 10:00 PM
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60 Minutes a short while ago. At least 1/3 of total deaths. I believe close to half of those were in NY State.
So....about 150,000 occurred in the general population, around 0.044%.
And we know that the covid death numbers have been stretched by clinics/hospitals b/c they get more $$.
Hmmmm...
I guess your mother is not in a nursing home or retirement center. (I bet you would feel differently if she did. But you could be like TheRump, I guess, and just not give a xxxx about anyone but yourself.)
My mother was in a retirement center and then a nursing home, before she died, and my M-in-Law is still. I can tell you that they are scared to death, even with all of the safety restrictions that they have lived through for over 6 months.
Maybe you should plan to die before you get old, when no one would care about your feelings or physical health -- as you recommend us to do, now.
Just because TheRump is a POS, and you support that idiot, you could still have empathy for the 230,000 families that have suffered.
Because of TheRump the deaths in the US are 2.5 times higher than in Canada, per capita. What a loser he his.
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 1, 2020, 10:00 PM
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60 Minutes a short while ago. At least 1/3 of total deaths. I believe close to half of those were in NY State.
So....about 150,000 occurred in the general population, around 0.044%.
And we know that the covid death numbers have been stretched by clinics/hospitals b/c they get more $$.
Hmmmm...
I guess your mother is not in a nursing home or retirement center. (I bet you would feel differently if she did. But you could be like TheRump, I guess, and just not give a xxxx about anyone but yourself.)
My mother was in a retirement center and then a nursing home, before she died, and my M-in-Law is still. I can tell you that they are scared to death, even with all of the safety restrictions that they have lived through for over 6 months.
Maybe you should plan to die before you get old, when no one would care about your feelings or physical health -- as you recommend us to do, now.
Just because TheRump is a POS, and you support that idiot, you could still have empathy for the 230,000 families that have suffered.
Because of TheRump the deaths in the US are 2.5 times higher than in Canada, per capita. What a loser he his.
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 1, 2020, 10:08 PM
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Dude, I feel very sad for every death in nursing homes
Nov 1, 2020, 10:15 PM
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But I also feel sad for every person that has lost loved ones who committed suicide because they lost their jobs and could not feed and support their families. That has happened also but the MSM rarely talks about it....
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It juuuuust may be that 230k c-19 deaths
Nov 1, 2020, 10:21 PM
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is....I don't know....maybe a hundred...a couple of hundred....deaths higher than suicide because of having to stay home for a few weeks?
GTFO with that nonsense.
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Re: It juuuuust may be that 230k c-19 deaths
Nov 1, 2020, 10:36 PM
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Need a full economic analysis. Increased revenues does not
Nov 2, 2020, 9:25 AM
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necessarily result in increased profits. The expense side needs to be clearly defined (margin based on treatment of Covid patient) as well as the “lost opportunity” _ meaning are hospital assets and staff being deferred from operations / treatment that provide a better margin than Covid treatment.
This analysis may vary by hospital since due to different expense structures and metrics regarding specific treatment profitability.
I have no clue _ just wary of incomplete analysis performed by media and others.
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 2, 2020, 10:47 AM
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Let's break this down into 2 separate (& unrelated) statements.
The inflated numbers for $$ bullyshit has been debunked from here to Sunday, so let's write that one off.
Here are some of the nursing home stats. There are some very sad stories here. i have a friend who works in NY nursing homes. Early on, Governor Cuomo got caught between a rock and a hard place. Unsurprisingly many early cases came from nursing homes. At the time, NY was running out of hospital beds and ventilators, so if the patients were not life-threatened, thjey sent them home - to the nursing home.
My friend and others pointed out the dangers in this strategy and eventually (once beds were more available) NY stopped send patients back to nursing homes. It was a bad situation and it turned out badly.
https://data.cms.gov/stories/s/COVID-19-Nursing-Home-Data/bkwz-xpvg/
One thing that i nopticed is that a lot of states had a worse percentage of deaths than NY despite the problem i just described. I wonder why that was the case.
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Re: 80,000+ US Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes per
Nov 2, 2020, 10:50 AM
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