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Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:05 AM
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It’s Absolutely Clear it could only be ruled incomplete or catch down at spot of forward progress since he was being driven backwards instantly.
Not even debatable!
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:11 AM
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You wouldn't be posting things like this at 2 am if it wasn't a questionable call.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:18 AM
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Are you stoopid? I just watched the replay on ESPNU, like I suggest your DA should do before making foolish remarks.
There’s NO DOUBT the proper call ACCORDING TO THE RULES was made by the review officials.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:21 AM
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ive Saen another official argue the call.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:26 AM
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I've seen some of you calling it a bad call and if it happened to Clemson all of you would. I'm not blaming the loss on the call it's just pretty messed up overturning a play is supposed to happen unless there without a doubt, guarantee.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 4:46 AM
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The other official is wrong then. Per the rule, it was an incomplete pass. Period. End of discussion.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:24 AM
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Either it was an incomplete catch or... https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-2-definitions/
ARTICLE 2. Belongs To
“Belongs to,” as contrasted with “in possession” denotes custody of a dead ball. Such custody may be temporary, because the ball must next be put in play in accordance with rules governing the existing situation. ARTICLE 3. Catch, Interception, Recovery
To catch a ball means that a player: Secures control of a live ball in flight with his hands or arms before the ball touches the ground, and Touches the ground in bounds with any part of his body, and then Maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e. long enough to pitch or hand the ball, advance it, avoid or ward off an opponent, etc., and Satisfies paragraphs b, c and d below.
SECTION 9. Forward, Beyond and Forward Progress
ARTICLE 1. Forward, Beyond
Forward, beyond or in advance of, as related to either team, denotes direction toward the opponent’s end line. Converse terms are backward or behind. ARTICLE 2. Forward Progress Forward progress is a term indicating the end of advancement by the ball carrier or airborne pass receiver of either team and applies to the position of the ball when it becomes dead by rule (Rules 4-1-3-a, 4-1-3-b and 4-1-3-p; Rules 4-2-1 and 4-2-4; and Rule 5-1-3-a Exception)
^so, per those rules, his forward progress was not established since he was being driven backwards during the catch, thus the ball should have been considered dead due to lack of forward progress. Also, due to the DB driving him backwards and having him wrapped, he did not maintain control (as the rules states) "LONG ENOUGH to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e. long enough to pitch or hand the ball, advance it, nor avoid or ward off an opponent". So sorry, he's 100% correct, no matter how salty you are.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:27 AM
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Wasn't he running that way?
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:28 AM
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It's not 2 hand tap
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:29 AM
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nope....he was being driven backwards....he never had a chance to even begin to start forward progress, thus, dead ball at the point of his feet contacting the ground if it's considered a catch.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:33 AM
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Feel free to re-watch it...he's coming back in for the ball, while the defender is behind him....ball isn't coming from behind the defender, is it? Ball hits his hands around he 31, comes out at the 29 as they are both turning. https://twitter.com/i/status/1211136453247414272
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 2:45 AM
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So falling backwards and fumbling should never be a fumble because of forward progress?
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 4:16 AM
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If forward progress is stopped, ball is always supposed to be blown dead, regardless if a team draws a guy backwards and causes a fumble after stopping the forward progress. Ball is dead once forward progress is stopped... Which in this case, forward progress was never even established (as you can see, not one step he took with the ball in hand was forward advancing when going backwards from the 31 to the 29), which is what the rule states had to happen to consider it a catch. Player has to be able to make a game play, like advancing the ball. Sorry if you can't read the rule and understand it.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 4:16 AM
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If forward progress is stopped, ball is always supposed to be blown dead, regardless if a team draws a guy backwards and causes a fumble after stopping the forward progress. Ball is dead once forward progress is stopped... Which in this case, forward progress was never even established (as you can see, not one step he took with the ball in hand was forward advancing when going backwards from the 31 to the 29), which is what the rule states had to happen to consider it a catch. Player has to be able to make a game play, like advancing the ball. Sorry if you can't read the rule and understand it.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 3:00 AM
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Everything looks like a catch when using slow-motion.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 4:31 AM
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Well, it was debatable. Even the announcing crew had different takes on it. And if you are so certain of the call, then why don't you contact , in person, on the phone Coach Day.I'm certain he would love hearing from an expert.
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Actually the was an officiating rules expert in the booth...
Dec 30, 2019, 4:43 AM
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He agreed with the call long before it was made.
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Re: Watching Ross drop AND knowing the rule
Dec 30, 2019, 8:42 AM
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Hey boys, don't look now but the game is OVER.
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