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Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 1:17 PM
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results, even though he surely knows he can't win. This also explains why McConnell and others are willing to play along.
It's because of what it's usually because of: $$
Trump is still sending out fundraiser emails. I know because I'm receiving them. This morning he offered a 1000% match! Whatever that means. And even though the email says it's for the "Election Defense Fund," the money goes elsewhere.
The details are in the fine print at the bottom of the email:Contributions to TMAGAC made by an Individual/Federal Multicandidate Political Committee will be allocated according to the following formula:
60% of each contribution first to Save America, up to $5,000/$5,000, then to DJTP’s Recount Account, up to a maximum of $2,800/$5,000.
40% of each contribution to the RNC’s Operating account, up to a maximum of $35,500/$15,000.
Any additional funds will go to the RNC for deposit in the RNC’s Legal Proceedings account or Headquarters account, up to a maximum of $213,000/$90,000.
Notwithstanding this allocation formula, a contributor may designate a contribution for a specific participant or participants. In addition, the allocation formula may change if any contribution would exceed applicable contribution limits.
Donations allocable to DJTFP’s Recount Account will be used in connection with any post-election recounts and election contests and not for the purpose of influencing any federal election.
Any monthly recurring contributions received after November 3, 2020, shall be subject to TMAGAC’s prevailing allocation formula at the time of receipt. You get all that? 60% of the first $5000 from any individual donationgoes to "Save America," the rest to the RNC. What's "Save America," you might ask? It's Trump's new PAC, not a fund to dispute this election. (See link below.) That PAC is getting over half of every individual donation up to $5,000. The remaining 40% of the first $5,000 goes to the RNC. Only donations over $5,000 end up sending any money to a "Recount Account" to be used for lawsuits and recounts, and even then it's only 60% of amounts after the first $5,000, with a cap. The rest, again, goes to the RNC.
Thus, the motivation is clear. Fool enough of his supporters into believing he's sincere about fighting the election results that he can take a little but more of their money before bowing out.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-fundraising-save-america-pac-contesting-election-results/story?id=74128659
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The other theory, and both are likely true to some extent,
Nov 11, 2020, 1:42 PM
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is keeping GOP voters engaged for the runoffs to keep from losing the Senate. It seems like this should be transparent and a little insulting to GOP voters, but I guess not.
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Re: The other theory, and both are likely true to some extent,
Nov 11, 2020, 3:41 PM
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19B,
I would think that the Dems should be able to use that to their advantage.
Where is the Lincoln Project ?
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 1:48 PM
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 2:02 PM
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He's lying to the people who love him the most. His most ardent supporters will contribute money thinking they're fighting election fraud across the country, when none of it's being used for that.
It's connected to his narcissism, but honestly it's just a slightly more egregious form of the same disgusting things other politicians do, the only clear difference being that Trump's supporters will keep believing him--defiantly denying reality--no matter how far into Imaginationland he roams. And he'll profit from their gullibility.
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 1:57 PM
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In some ways I think we're talking past each other.
I try really hard to get into other people's brains...and it finally did click with me what the Trumpers have always known that us anti-Trump alarmists - which really does not seem to include Joe Biden, to his credit - do not seem to know: Trump's a showman. They know it. We don't seem to know it. We're basically taking an episode of WWE seriously.
And it basically is WWE, to the Donald, and he and his followers - who do get it - don't get why anybody gets all worked up about it. Reality really isn't the point of WWE. It's about the show, the metaphor, the suspension of disbelief. It's poetry, a collective catharsis...you're not supposed to question it, you just turn your brain off and go with it, and have a rip-roaring good time.
Donald, ever the showman, figured out his audience and what they wanted to see from their leader a long time back. And he gave it to them. He knows it bullsh!t. Even they know it's bullsh!t. But in this collective let's-pretend world they inhabit, that's how it's supposed to be...because the real world is terrible and crushing and overpowering and you always lose in the end. Optimists and rationalists tend to not get WWE, but the show isn't for them.
Actual reality has never been a feature of Donald's presidency. He's a form Reality Show host; he's always been a Reality Show president, and for Donald it's always been about the next show. And the next show is Trump TV - or T-TV, I think he's actually gotten trademarks on some of those names - and the model is a $6-a-month streaming channel...for anywhere from 10 to 70 million people. It's not an accident he's setting fire to Fox on the way out the door. He intends to take their market share...and dominate the Republican Party for the foreseeable future while making bank doing it.
And in this show the star of the show, Donald Trump, did not lose. No! Instead - he was vilely cheated by his vile Socialist opponents, whose mass fraud constituted THE GREATEST THEFT IN HISTORY. (Did I mention, WWE has never been a light touch.) But though he may have been cheated, THE GREATEST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY remains unbent, unbowed, and unbroken (okay, maybe I stole the the Martell family words from Game of Thrones, but nevermind that), and HE WILL RETURN IN 2024 TO PUT ALL THINGS RIGHT.
That's what it's really about. I think he already more than knows he's lost. But Donald the Showman is going to make sure he goes out on his terms, and he didn't get thrown out of the White House. No, he chose to leave, for the good of the country, but make no mistake, the investigation will continue, the fraud will be exposed, and HE WILL BE BACK.
Stay tuned next week.
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 2:01 PM
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Trump News Network coming soon. LOL
I did hear (I believe O'Reilly) say that some investors have approached Trump about a news network.
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Very well said.
Nov 11, 2020, 2:09 PM
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I don't think we're talking past each other at all. You're looking at a longer game than I am, but the short game is 100% consistent with the long game.
I share your prediction, as I mentioned in response to this post. His next step is TV.
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Follow-up point of agreement.
Nov 11, 2020, 2:11 PM
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Yes, you are absolutely right that a lot of Trumpers are in on the game.
But not all of them.
Of the ones who donate money to the Stop the Stealing fund, many may really think they're helping stop election fraud.
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 8:26 PM
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Yep, closer every year. You just had blacks partying in the streets after electing a rich, old racist, white man.
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Yes and no.
Nov 11, 2020, 7:49 PM
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Much of what Trump does on Twitter/media is for show and I think both sides pretty much understand that. Where the rub is is with policy and the real life consequences of his performance.
For instance, Trump has said some awful things about immigrants that he probably doesn't actually believe (he hires a number of illegal ones at his resorts) but he's also done some horrible things to immigrants/asylum seekers like seperate families and put them in cages.
Another example, his performance surrounding COVID led to a number of unnecessary deaths because it led to a real action of taking the pandemic less seriously by his supporters and poor planning by his administration (Herman Cain as an example would most likely be alive today if Trump didn't feel the need to "perform"). And he's eroded the public's trust in the science and rollout of the vaccine that will be coming all because he can't be trusted.
These are the most egregious examples of where I think your point misses some very real context. Unlike with the WWE, there is real world consequences to some of Trump's performances. So, while I agree with you in the context of what's going on right now with the election results, I want it to be understood about why we can't just hand wave away his lying and "art" overall.
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Re: Yes and no.
Nov 12, 2020, 2:49 PM
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Oh, I totally agree. It's an absolutely ridiculous way to run a government. The theatrically stupid becomes policy and then you have to sit there while Sarah Huckleberry and Kayleigh McEnany tell you that you heard it all wrong...and then while you're sitting there having to physically stifle the urge to slap the b!tch right outta them along comes Tucker Carlson with that leering frat boy smirk to tell you how this absolute bonkers insanity is actually genius. Which inspires the urge to turn into Shocker and dive right into the TV and do actual murder with electrons.
And in the meantime kids are sitting there in cages, we're shipping war refugees back to the drug cartels and dictators who want to murder them...and oh, yeah, there's also the small problem that while Trump is spinning stories there's often method to his madness, and a lot of his "harmless jokes" come across remarkably like test probes...like, what happens if I do this, and can I just float this out there and see if I can get away with it...and he always does, and bam, there's another guardrail he's just crashed through.
You've gotta be real careful of leaders who lead with populism and fantasy; the end point of that is they wind up burning witches, or on the steps of an Aztec pyramid, tossing the hearts of their enemies into the sacrificial altar or throwing first-born babies into Muloch's cauldron in Carthage. Mass fantasy can go dark in a hurry and it is anything but Just Good Fun, it's just articulated id and that's about the last thing you want to trust.
But for the most part it's just posturing and showmanship, too, which can make it seem harmless.
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Thank you for your contribution
Nov 11, 2020, 1:59 PM
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even if it is just $100, every little bit helps.
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 2:01 PM
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if he surely cant win, not sure what all the harrumph is about
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 2:16 PM
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Every presidential election since Bush/Gore, people supporting the winner can't believe that some people supporting the loser can't just be gracious and admit defeat. There's a little more of that this year, because the President is acting insane. Is that the harrumph you're talking about?
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 2:34 PM
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Showman though he is, he did get the economy booming and he did get prison reform done. He also moved the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, and more us to energy independece, thereby eliminating the need for our troops to be in the middle east between two factions that have been killing each other since that whole Abraham, Sarah and Hagar thing.
That's a lot more than most Presidents can claim (or would want to in a case like Barry Hussein).
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 2:39 PM
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Totally agree, and I've praised Trump (along with every single Democrat, though not every single Republican) for enacting criminal justice reform. I'm also delighted with pulling back our military from foreign wars. Biden's records on both of those issues is not impressive.
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Well we did "bu bu but Bush" for 8 years***
Nov 11, 2020, 3:38 PM
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I sure as hail didn't
Nov 11, 2020, 3:45 PM
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Considering I supported Bush
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 2:33 PM
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trump is doing two things while delaying:
1) raising funds
2) securing commitments from folks that could potentially turn against him post 1/21/21.
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Trump's going to be broker than Nancy Kerrigan's knee
Nov 11, 2020, 3:27 PM
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when this is said and done.
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You don't think he'll earn mucho in speaking fees?***
Nov 11, 2020, 5:00 PM
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Re: Trump has a clear motivation to continue disputing the
Nov 11, 2020, 3:39 PM
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Con man gonna con.
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