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1.5% of the posters on tnet are making 98.5% of the...
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whiney, complain about what Dabo said, posts. It's almost like he was right.
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He is?
Oct 18, 2023, 8:40 AM
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So 1.5% making 98.5% of complaining posts on Tigernet makes our offense suck? That's wild...
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I'm sorry...
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was that another complaint?
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Just an observation this time***
Oct 18, 2023, 8:43 AM
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Re: He is?
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Oct 18, 2023, 9:13 AM
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2023 Offense > 2022 Offense >> 2021 Offense
Perhaps more whining will help Cade continue to age and develop, plus help Antonio Williams heal up and get back in the lineup for the remainder of the season.
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Legend [19586]
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Yards per play
Oct 18, 2023, 9:15 AM
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2021 103rd
2022 61st
2023 86th
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Sounds to me you wanted to keep Streeter....***
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Oct 18, 2023, 9:16 AM
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I didn't want Streeter to begin with muchless keep him
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Oct 18, 2023, 9:18 AM
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what about 61st in yards per play would make anyone want to keep Streeter?
Besides, this isn't an OC problem. It's a position coach and talent/development problem.
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I'm not sure why you even keep harping on this....***
Oct 18, 2023, 9:22 AM
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I know why you are no longer harping on it.***
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Oct 18, 2023, 9:24 AM
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I never did
Oct 18, 2023, 9:26 AM
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I simply used it to compare multiple QBs ability to throw the ball accurately and nothing more and you ran with it as if I used it to compare the QBs overall.....I'm sorry that you weren't able to understand.
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Ok, let's use passing yards per game?
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Oct 18, 2023, 9:27 AM
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2021: 192.2
2022: 232.4
2023: 249.2
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Passing yards per game to compare multiple QBs abilities
Oct 18, 2023, 9:29 AM
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to be accurate? That does not correlate
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Re: Passing yards per game to compare multiple QBs abilities
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Oct 18, 2023, 9:30 AM
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Wildblulou: "2023 Offense > 2022 Offense >> 2021 Offense"
You:
"Yards per play
2021 103rd
2022 61st
2023 86th"
Me:
"Ok, let's use passing yards per game?
2021: 192.2
2022: 232.4
2023: 249.2"
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I'm sorry I thought we were referring back to the previous
Oct 18, 2023, 9:37 AM
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argument of the lack of big play ability being a QB or WR problem.
YPG, RYG and PYG do not accurately describe how good an offense is. 200 rush yards per game with 100 pass does not make an offense good. 300 pass yards per game with 20 rush yards per game does not make an offense good. 400 yards per game with no big play ability and little scoring ability does not make an offense good.
Yards per play is a much better indicator of how efficiently offenses move the ball.
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I asked an expert.
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Oct 18, 2023, 10:55 AM
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When evaluating a college football offense, there isn't a single "best" stat to use because it often depends on the specific aspects of the offense you want to assess. Different statistics can provide valuable insights into different aspects of offensive performance. Here are some key statistics to consider and why they are important:
Total Yards: Total offensive yards gained (rushing + passing) can provide a general overview of an offense's ability to move the ball down the field. It reflects the overall productivity of the offense but doesn't tell the whole story.
Points Per Game (PPG): This statistic measures how many points the offense scores on average per game. Ultimately, the goal of an offense is to put points on the board, so PPG is an important metric.
Yards Per Play (YPP): YPP is a measure of efficiency and big-play capability. It can provide insights into how well an offense gains yards on each play. A high YPP often indicates an explosive offense.
Third-Down Conversion Rate: This statistic measures how successful an offense is at converting third-down opportunities. Sustaining drives and keeping possession of the ball is crucial, and a high third-down conversion rate can indicate a well-executed offense.
Red Zone Efficiency: Red zone statistics, including red zone touchdowns and red zone scoring percentage, show how effective an offense is when it gets close to the opponent's goal line. Scoring touchdowns instead of settling for field goals is often a sign of a potent offense.
Turnover Margin: While not strictly an offensive stat, turnover margin (takeaways minus giveaways) can significantly impact field position and the number of offensive opportunities. An offense that protects the ball well and forces turnovers can have a substantial advantage.
Time of Possession (TOP): TOP can reflect an offense's ability to control the clock and keep the opposing defense on the field. It's essential for managing the flow of the game and resting the defense.
Sacks Allowed: This stat measures the number of times the offensive line allows the quarterback to be sacked. Fewer sacks allowed indicates better pass protection and quarterback efficiency.
Rushing and Passing Yards: Separating rushing and passing yards can provide insights into the balance of an offense. It's important to consider how well an offense executes both aspects of the game.
Advanced Metrics: Advanced statistics like yards per attempt (YPA), passer rating (for quarterbacks), yards after catch (YAC), and more can provide a deeper understanding of an offense's performance, especially when combined with other statistics.
Ultimately, the "best" stat to use depends on your specific evaluation goals. To get a comprehensive picture of an offense, it's often useful to consider a combination of these statistics and analyze them in context, considering the team's style of play, opponent strength, and game situations.
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And your numbers further prove my point
Oct 18, 2023, 9:34 AM
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Year PYG Y/A
2020: 390.5 13.24 (DJ's 2 starts)
2021: 192.2 6.0
2022: 232.4 6.8
2023: 249.2 6.7
But yet you blame this on QB talent.....
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Well...
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Oct 18, 2023, 9:53 AM
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DJ started 13 games in 2022 (did not finish against UNC) and he averaged...
210.08 yards per game, had a 61.9% completion rate, and averaged 6.8 yards per attempt
Cade started 1 game and played most of a second with the same team and in those two games averaged...
299.5 yards per game, had a 64.1% completion rate, and averaged 7.68 yards per attempt
And DJ had some easy opponents to help pad his stats.
I'm not going to tell you what conclusions to draw from that data though.
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Re: Well...
Oct 18, 2023, 9:58 AM
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The conclusion I draw is both are subpar #'s in terms of big play ability and offensive efficiency. It's not QB.
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You directly accused FM of defending something he did not...
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Oct 18, 2023, 9:31 AM
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You attacked others in a broad stroke for defending something with no real basis, but in the form of a back-handed personal attack.
And now you appear to be acting defensively and you're wondering the why?
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I have absolutely no clue of what you are referring to with
Oct 18, 2023, 9:39 AM
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any of this.
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Of that I've no doubt, which hopefully will cause you pause.***
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Nice work...
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Oct 18, 2023, 10:16 AM
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1) That is a list of stats.
2) I pointed out the flaw in your argument. I even said "I'm not saying I love Streeter or his play calling".
3) You linked the same post twice.
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Re: Nice work...
Oct 18, 2023, 10:20 AM
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1. The purpose of the list of stats were to defend Streeter.
2. I never claimed you loved Streeter or his play calling. I said you defended him which you did.
3. My bad. I'll see where I err'd.
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Wrong...
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Oct 18, 2023, 10:24 AM
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again.
1) Read my first reply in that thread... "I don’t think the blame falls on any one person/position though, and that’s not my assertion here. I hear a lot of people blaming coaching, QB play, etc… for the recent 10 win seasons, and I thought this information was interesting for comparison purposes."
2) I defended math/logic, which I have said all along.
I see you have started making some assumptions in your replies now. That's never a good sign in a debate.
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It gets even more emotional when you're drowning, but careful...
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any moment now he's going to rip ~you apart.
His words, not mine.
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What I said was "rip it apart"
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Oct 18, 2023, 10:30 AM
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meaning your point.
So not only have you accused me of some personal attack which I never did now you put words in my mouth. A+ for effort though...
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I know what you meant/wrote that's why it's parethetically..
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Oct 18, 2023, 10:32 AM
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nuanced.
I led you to water, now you're apparently drowning and desperate.
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You can pretend that post wasn't purposeful to defend
Oct 18, 2023, 10:31 AM
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Streeter but I'm not buying it. Especially considering you went on to post that it wasn't fair to be critical of his play calling.
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Again...
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You are the making the jump, not me. If someone makes a post about DJ, Dabo, Cade, Trevor, Streeter, Riley, Venables, Goodwin, etc, etc... but uses bad logic/math, and I point it out, it doesn't mean I'm "defending" that person because of the person, it means I'm defending math/logic and if someone is the beneficiary, so be it.
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You're ignoring the other posts
Oct 18, 2023, 10:40 AM
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and focusing on that one and only post where you posted stats.
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How about this, the genesis...
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CM Shack makes a claim, not supported by math or logic.
I use math to show his claim seems flawed.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/thats-exactly-what-he-got-from-streeter,-no-scheme-and-no-32437456
From that, I've heard I think being ranked #48 is not bad, I am a Streeter defender, lover, supporter, etc.. Read his post. Read my response. Read every "defense" I have made since. I have defended math and logic. I have been clear. You "know what I meant" a lot. I say what I meant a lot.
Take a look at my third response, "I pointed out that he took a 100 ranked offense and turned it into an offense ranked 48, which shows substantial improvement. Doesn't mean I'm against Streeter being let go. Doesn't mean I disagree with Dabo. It doesn't mean anything, other than you don't understand math."
It can't be any clearer.
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Re: How about this, the genesis...
Oct 18, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Yes you used "math and logic" to defend Streeter. We are on the same page now.
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"It doesn't mean anything...
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other than you don't understand math."
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Cool. Now let's try Points per Game and Yards per Game?
Oct 18, 2023, 10:27 AM
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Considering a full game is an accumulation of executing all of those plays, it might be worth a look see.
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Re: Cool. Now let's try Points per Game and Yards per Game?
Oct 18, 2023, 10:39 AM
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Sure.
PPG
2021 85th
2022 24th
2023 72nd
YPG
2021 98th
2022 41st
2023 62nd
However neither of these indicate offensive efficiency. They are skewed by other variables.
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Re: 1.5% of the posters on tnet are making 98.5% of the...
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Its normally the 80/20 rule..... Dabo has made it the 98.5/1.5 rule. He stepped it up a notch for sure!!
Go tigers !!!
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Re: 1.5% of the posters on tnet are making 98.5% of the...
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Internet chatter is causing the team to suck. Internet negative chatter only started after Duke loss. I am baffled as why we lost to Dukke. Cause came after the effect????
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I detect negative energy...
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#1.5%
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And if there's one thing we all know,
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Dabo is right 100% of the time.
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^ How to say I'm a 1.5%er without saying I'm a 1.5%er.***
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That one is all coot, so even 1.5%er is being generous.***
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Is there a parrot in here?
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"No but there is a coot! COOT!"
(Beat you to it)
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Thanks, coot.***
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Nice of them to all cap words, so you know they're serious.***
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Re: 1.5% of the posters on tnet are making 98.5% of the...
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That's true...100% of the time.
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if 98.5% are part of the solution....
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you'd think it'd be fixed by now.....?...
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They're not 98.5%ing hard enough***
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Re: 1.5% of the posters on tnet are making 98.5% of the...
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Is this what is referred to as "fUzZY" or Common Core math?
TIA
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Re: 1.5% of the posters on tnet are making 98.5% of the...
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We need reeducation camps for the 1.5%rs now! These camps will be ran by the 98.5%rs who will also determine the curriculum.
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He's never been wrong, has he?***
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Only trolls like yourself pull the 'Perfect Dabo' card on
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here. It's part of your schtick to gloss over your constant negative narrative pimping.
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Re: 1.5% of the posters on tnet are making 98.5% of the...
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whiney, complain about what Dabo said, posts. It's almost like he was right.
Thank you! I have confidence in Dabo snd this staff.
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Re: 1.5% of the posters on tnet are making 98.5% of the...
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I 98.5% agree with this post 👍
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