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A lesson learned from promoting within.
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Oct 24, 2023, 6:52 AM
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I founded one of two companies in 1993. When you see people come up through the ranks and continue to develop with your model in mind, it’s extremely rewarding. They grow and they help you become successful. You promote great employees and allow them to continue to advance up the ladder. You feel because they’re doing a great job for you in one position they can do it in another. Such was the case 23 years ago. I had a brick mason who was a tremendous craftsman. At that same time, the company was growing and I felt he’d make a great foreman. It was a disaster! I kept pushing him to achieve my expectations and it didn’t work out. He was miserable and so was I! Sadly, I lost this great employee. I had promoted him to a position that he’d never develop into and he was out of his comfort zone. I not only lost a foreman but also one of the best brick masons I’ve ever had. Here’s the lesson- every person has room to advance and you develop them to their fullest potential. You challenge them to be the best they can be but there comes a point where they’ve reached their maximum potential. If you promote and advance them above their potential you both will be miserable and it eventually hurts the team. So what do you do? They become close friends, their family is close to your family but it’s not working. Rather than lose a great worker and craftsman, sometimes it’s best to reel them back in the position where they excelled and where you still glean from their talent! They’ll be happy and so will you.
Go Tigers!
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Re: A lesson learned from promoting within.
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Oct 24, 2023, 7:12 AM
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Great post. Similar story from a totally different perspective. I worked for a large company. When an employee was considered for a promotion, the litmus test was not could they compete at the next level, but could they compete 2 levels up since ultimately that was the group they would be compared to. And way too often, leaders would stick their heads in the sand and promote people who weren't right for the job and quite honestly didn't really want the job. Created a huge mess and the entire organization suffered. Unfortunately, I see a lot of that with the current coaching staff - they're not prepared and really don't want to be there.....and the team is suffering.
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Re: A lesson learned from promoting within.
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Oct 24, 2023, 9:51 AM
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But didn't they apply for these positions? Sometimes people see the new job and the larger paycheck, but don't really take stock of their skill set and what will be expected.
Years ago, I had an applicant that came from a low-stress job in another department, but was unhappy with the salary. She had a great work record and recommendations, so we hired her. Within three weeks, however, she almost had a nervous breakdown. Her new position required her to deal with a high volume of phone calls, visitors, and data entry. She simply could not cope. After a few weeks, we gently reminded her that her new position was demanding, and could appreciate that it might not be for everyone's skill set. She dabbed away her tears and responded saying "thank you". It was like we had lifted a heavy burden from her shoulders. She resigned that day and we parted as friends. Both she and we leaned a lesson that day.
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A great post, and totally true. All are not born to lead, some are great
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Oct 24, 2023, 8:33 AM
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followers, and happy to be. Sometimes, you just love what you are doing, and don't WANT to do more. That was the case with me. Most of the young snipperwhappers who came into our chemical plant at production engineers could not wait to get out. Go into sales, marketing, get promoted to higher management, etc. I, too wanted to get promoted, to an extent, just for the financial rewards that brought.
But, I did NOT want to go into management. I did it for two years as an iterim, due to circumstances beyond my control. I was good enough at it, but it was not my cup of tea. My niche was logical problem solving, which was a never ending source of satisfaction. I loved figuring out what was causing us production problems, which was not nearly as easy as it sounds. When your process has literally thousands of moving parts, chemical reactions, PEOPLE interractions, the waters get muddy real quick.
Survival lesson for anyone in ANY job. Find out what your particular boss wants, values, and expects, and DO THAT. I worked for bosses that encouraged free thinking, and I also worked for bosses that wanted me to turn my brain off when I walked in for the day, and just be their robot. That was hard to do, but it made life easier in those circumstances. That's when you have to live by the mantra "This too, shall pass."
That is kind of where we are with Clemson football right now. It is certainly not what we want it to be, but, newsflash, as fans, WE DON"T CONTROL THE NARRATIVE. I know that is hard for a lot of the Tigernet Coaches to stomach, but it is true nonetheless. So, voice your complaints, which I, as well as a lot of others have done on here this year, A BUNCH. But, at the end of the day, the coaches have to coach, and the players have to play. And we as fans, hope that the coaches can find the players who can perform to the best of their ability, and put them in position to be successful, over and over again, until it becomes a habit again.
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Re: A lesson learned from promoting within.
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Oct 24, 2023, 8:34 AM
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verisimilitude
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Spot on
Oct 24, 2023, 8:35 AM
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I also learned the hard way to never to hire anyone you couldn’t fire or let go if you really had to
Before you hire anyone - imagine having to fire them or let them go later on
You will be doing them a favor and yourself a huge favor
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Thats great advice***
Oct 24, 2023, 8:52 AM
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Check out UGAs staff.***
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Oct 24, 2023, 8:38 AM
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Re: A lesson learned from promoting within.
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Oct 24, 2023, 8:40 AM
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Wonder if some of these guys ever laid a brick other than at Clemson
Sorry couldn’t resist. I’m an owner also and these guys lives get intertwined with yours and it’s very emotional and hard to fire them. Has to be some sort of separation there. The hardest thing an owner has to do is fire someone cause it’s not just the one fired but you are basically firing their whole family
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Re: A lesson learned from promoting within.
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Oct 24, 2023, 8:45 AM
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I’m a residential contractor. I consider my Role a lot like Dabo. What I’ve learned is it’s not my job to be an expert at plumbing, or electric, or framing. Most people that are good at those things aren’t good contractors. My job is a businessman, and to hire the best of the above mentioned sub-contractors and allow them to do their job. Once I start micro managing or getting involved in those things the job suffers.
Dabo needs to be the CEO that he’s hired to be. He’s good at it too! I’ve noticed that once he became a micro manager and not hiring the best to do their job but rather hired friends and family the product on the field has suffered. We all know what put us on the top of the hill, Chad Morris and BV. That doesn’t take away from Dabo it underscored his ability to fill those positions and lead. I hope he gets this figured out soon
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Re: A lesson learned from promoting within.
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Oct 24, 2023, 8:50 AM
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This is actually called “The Peter Principle”….look it up.
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Re: A lesson learned from promoting within.
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Oct 24, 2023, 10:28 AM
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In business, it is called "The Peter Principle" and it applies to every form of endeavor.
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Re: A lesson learned from promoting within.
Oct 24, 2023, 10:40 AM
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I was about to add the Peter Principle, but you both beat me to it.
I find that many promotions fail because we're not honest with our employees, we don't set clear expectations (i.e. goals), and we don't develop timeframes around the expectations.
I always challenge people with developing SMART goals. They must be Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, and Time-Bound. "Increase productivity" and "Improve morale a lot" are NOT SMART goals.
I have found that clear expectations make a demotion (or termination) much easier, as unpleasant as they are.
While I don't know Dabo personally, I would imagine everyone on his staff has SMART goals.
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Too bad that promoting Scott/Elliot to OC didn't pan out
Oct 24, 2023, 10:35 AM
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and everyone knows hiring from outside always works.
*sigh*
Finding the right people for any organization is an inexact science and takes a lot of trial and error, and sometimes just takes time for people to settle into a new place or role.
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Re: A lesson learned from promoting within.
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Oct 24, 2023, 11:13 AM
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My experience was that great sales people don’t necessarily make great sales managers. Same as your brick mason story.
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