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Saving college football, a primer.
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Feb 26, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Corporations are built from scratch. A person has a vision. Then he sets out on a course to achieve that vision. He knows what his goal is. Then he designs a plan to achieve that goal. But, the goal is the guiding factor. Everything is done, in a successful business, to achieve that goal. Things that don't work to achieve that goal are discarded, or at least made trivial.
OK. So, most folks agree football is in a mess. It has to be fixed.
But, in order to fix it, you have to have a goal.
You have to answer this question FIRST, then work to build something that will achieve that purpose.
What is the purpose of college football?
Two answers come to mind.
1. The purpose of college football is to give students an opportunity to pay for a college education using an athletic scholarship.
2. The purpose of college football is to allow the athlete to prepare for a career in professional football.
Seems to me the answer is #2. But, nobody wants to admit it. They want to continue to think somehow it can be both. It can't. Those two answers lead to two different models. And, there is very little overlap between those models.
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Re: Saving college football, a primer.
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Feb 26, 2024, 10:10 AM
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I'm not sure #1 was ever the purpose. I think in the beginning college sports was designed to give students an opportunity to compete in college sports against other colleges. Bragging rights, if you will. In the beginning, no one was on a scholly. So, the purpose in the beginning could not have been #1.
I'm not sure that #2 became a purpose either since the % of college players who go pro. is very low. I think as college FB evolved and TV started driving the sport, it became all about the money. So, I would say, a #3 needs to be added.
#3. The purpose for College FB is to generate revenue to pay for all of the other sports offered.
Winning does that. But, I'm not even sure #3 is the purpose. To be honest, I really don't know what the purpose is now. But, I agree, until it can be fixed, the purpose needs to be defined. But, the purpose may vary from school to school and conference to conference.
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Different schools can have different purposes.
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Feb 26, 2024, 10:54 AM
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And, those schools with similar purposes come together. That's basically how conferences were formed. The Ivy League has a different purpose than the SEC. Division 3 schools have a different purpose than the B1G.
But, I was thinking at the highest level. (Those 48 or so schools that are trying to figure out how to get a handle on NIL, pay for play, transfers, etc.)
They just need to go ahead and state that their purpose is to prepare players for a career in the NFL (or NBA).
Now, everybody knows that every player at Clemson won't make it to the NFL. And, you've got to figure out how to work with them as well. But, not to the point it detracts from the primary purpose. (Every manager in minor league baseball knows that every player on his team will not make it to the majors. But, the purpose of the team is to prepare his players for the majors. The other people are their to support the primary purpose.)
My point is simple - you can't build a model that places "the highest priority is a college degree" while at the same time being the minor league for the NFL. You gotta pick one, and let the other one be secondary (or tertiary).
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Re: Different schools can have different purposes.
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Feb 26, 2024, 11:09 AM
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So, in essence, you are saying the purpose is to be a farm team for the NFL? If that is the purpose, then let the NFL fund the dang farm team and ally with the NFL adopting all their rules, draft, etc. Mirror the NFL in every way. MLB pretty much does that with the exceptions being in compensation and contracts. The NFL far team could do the same with salary and contracts for the farm team players.
I don't think Clemson and its fans should pony up money to support what the NFL should be doing.
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I wholeheartedly agree.***
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Feb 26, 2024, 11:17 AM
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Re: Different schools can have different purposes.
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Feb 26, 2024, 12:23 PM
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A farm system for the NFL is exactly what CFB is. The NFL has zero incentive to create a minor league and fund it. College football does both for them. NIL and transfer portal are college football problems the NFL likely doesn't feel obligated to solve.
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What do you think Clemson and the other P4 schools are doing now?
Feb 26, 2024, 3:00 PM
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They are effectively the NFL minor league without the NFL contributing a penny.
NFL sends people to scout college games.
NFL teams get college game film.
Colleges run NFL Pro Days during the spring semester.
Etc.
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I'm not saying I think it should be that way.
Feb 26, 2024, 3:25 PM
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I think it should be option #1.
But, clearly, the P2 and swchools that want to be in the P2 when the dust has settled are working to develop a system where the primary purpose is to develop talent for the NFL.
They just need to admit it, rather than trying to prete3nd that academics are important.
They just need to say, "Our purpose is to serve as the minor league for the NFL" rather than continually denying.
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Right, because the colleges are going to tear down their athletic facilities
Feb 26, 2024, 3:02 PM
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Give up the copyrights to their team logos, and end all varsity sports, right???
Bueller, Bueller??
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Re: Saving college football, a primer.
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Feb 26, 2024, 10:27 AM
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When there is actually a problem, not problems in some people's minds, a fix will be worked on.
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As long as CFB is just path to the NFL, it loses its place as a special sport
Feb 26, 2024, 12:51 PM
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it becomes minor league baseball for the fans, a fun outing but nothing to get worked up over.
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Re: Saving college football, a primer.
Feb 26, 2024, 12:51 PM
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No. It has NOTHING to do with the student. Its about the money.
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college football has become
Feb 26, 2024, 12:55 PM
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SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!
AND SPORTS BOOK GAMBLING WILL ALTER GAMES ON ALL LEVELS.
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"Will become"????
Feb 26, 2024, 3:07 PM
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Sports book outlets already provide gambling on pretty much every college sports now, but especially football and basketball.
Online, Vegas, Atlantic City, Native American reservation casinos, you name it.
The casinos in Cherokee and one in Murphy, NC provide it.
Both are a pretty short ride from dear old Clemson.
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Re: Saving college football, a primer.
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Feb 26, 2024, 1:28 PM
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What no one wants to admit is that College Football has ALWAYS been about the money. The first college football game ever played is generally considered to have been between Rutgers and Princeton back in 1869 or whenever it was. The reason Rutgers and Princeton organized that game is because they could make money by selling tickets. Other colleges followed suit. If they couldn't make money, the game never would have evolved past the club or intramural level.
So the goal is how do we: 1) continue to make money, 2) satisfy the legal requirements and challenges of compensating the players, all while 3) preserving the illusion of amateurism.
I'm not a huge fan of the NCAA, but these recent court rulings have put them in a bind (and yes, I know that their reluctance to act for years is a part of it).
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Re: Saving college football, a primer.
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Feb 26, 2024, 2:46 PM
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Why can it not be both? Why is there not some structured program to prepare a kid that wants to play professionally? And if not, a career that will align them with something off the playing field. There are already professional golf management programs all over the country. There's a lot more out there than just trying to make it on Tour. As for football, why not coaching classes, financial classes, marketing classes, nutrition, training, etc? John Thompson (Georgetown) said this years ago. We can prepare them for the pros and/or provide a safety net if they don't make it. Colleges and universities are shirking their responsibility in this in pursuit of the dollar. That's how we got here. That's how we fix it.
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You could do that.
Feb 26, 2024, 3:31 PM
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You could set up a degree called "Football."
Players would get academic credit for going to practice, for going to film study, for off season workouts, etc. You could set up a degree with a kid talking a bare minimum of "academic" courses and everything else being specifically related to the "major."
All you've got to do is convince the BOT to approve the curriculum.
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