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Ben Boulware on WCCP
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This may have been previously posted, but Ben Boulware appeared on WCCP today on the Qualk show. He was raw and uncaged. I was actually taken aback by his vitrol. He is very unhappy about what’s going on with Clemson football at the moment. Basically saying, if you can’t kick a 30 yard field goal lined up between the goalposts why are you on the team? Also said, at the end of the FSU game, the playcalling was baffling, both of the end of regulation and in overtime. He said it’s just so simple. Just keep doing what you’re doing. Instead you try something cute end up getting destroyed. He also took offense at Sweeney‘s comments that the 2023 team is just as good as the 2016 team. Boulware said the 2016 team would “wipe our butt with the 2023 team.” it was entertaining, but also a little concerning that a former player is so enraged about the current state of the program….
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I appreciate Boulware & his unvarnished honesty***
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Im not concerned about truth or opinions.
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Sep 28, 2023, 10:32 PM
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He’s been there in our trenches, knows what needs to gut er done (remember him tracking OK qb & securing INT and vs Bama his telling players Hurts play was going to the right).
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 28, 2023, 10:30 PM
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Sweeney?
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 5:32 AM
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Auto correct is the bane of my existence
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Lol
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Sep 29, 2023, 8:00 AM
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That George Carlin reference always kills me. Guys named TODD….
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They should hire him....
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Sep 28, 2023, 10:31 PM
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If only for pregame speeches, get this man in the building. Obviously diehard, true orange blooded Tiger!
Talk the same deal. How the good times felt. How the bad times suck. What to do to get better. I like him a lot. Wonder if he's even been offered a slot
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he speaks too much truth to be hired by Dabo***
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 28, 2023, 10:35 PM
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Do you disagree with him or are you simply disturbed by the truth?
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 29, 2023, 5:34 AM
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I’m just shocked WCCP allowed him to continue. Everything that station now is so filtered, you don’t get truth, you just gets spin. I agreed with every word he said.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 10:57 AM
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He ain’t wrong.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 28, 2023, 10:42 PM
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Despite the roid rage, he's right, the 2016 team would blow the doors off this year's team.
That 2016 team is the most resilient team I've ever watched. They would take another team’s best shot, laugh, get up, and coldly stab the dagger in their hearts.
The other crazy thing is that Boulware wouldn't be a starting linebacker on this year's team.
All that being said, I think we have the potential to be playing elite football by the end of the year. To me that's more than yards and first downs though.
It's the mentality. Refusing to be denied. Creating a margin wide enough that bad luck makes no difference. A team that knows how to smell blood when the opponent is struggling and consistently delivers the knock out punch when it's there for the taking.
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Respectfully Disagree
Sep 29, 2023, 10:13 AM
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Boulware may not be as well-rounded or as talented as current LB's but would start anyway as an upperclassman. (e.g. See Peter Woods and Ruke, Tyler Davis and Justin Mascoll.)
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Re: Respectfully Disagree
Sep 29, 2023, 3:54 PM
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You might be right…
Don't get me wrong, I loved his passion and his goal line stop vs notre dame is one of the best plays in clemson history
But I think we forget what a complete liability he was in pass coverage. Carter and Trotter are so much faster and effective in pass coverage. Just think there is a huge talent gap
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 28, 2023, 10:43 PM
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I wish he would stop sugar coating everything. 😂
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 28, 2023, 10:44 PM
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Good for Boulware. He’s always been somewhat raw and wore his emotions on his sleeve. He puts it all out there. Our defenses thrived with his type of drive and emotion. And Venables was able to lead them because they respected him.
Our current teams the past few years are molded and cookie cutter Swinney boys.
We need more Boulwares if we want to climb the mountain again.
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That's good. It shows he cares, half
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Sep 28, 2023, 11:11 PM
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The idiots on here would call him a coot. Who is the idiot on here that always says tell em coot. What a ####### loser.
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Re: I'm Never Mad At The Pure Clean And Cut Truth ---
Sep 28, 2023, 11:16 PM
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Sounds like Boulware was spot on.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 28, 2023, 11:17 PM
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He didn't seem to say anything that wasn't true.
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so per tnet that'd make him "not a true fan"??
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Sep 28, 2023, 11:18 PM
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did I get that right?
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Re: so per tnet that'd make him "not a true fan"??
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Sep 28, 2023, 11:22 PM
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Per TNet it would make him a Coot.
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Re: so per tnet that'd make him "not a true fan"??
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Sep 29, 2023, 8:19 AM
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Did he slam Dabo's "inexperienced" friends and family coaches or whine about the portal like you and many others do constantly? Big difference in what he shared there versus what's shared on here so often from many. With Dabo upset with CK after that 3rd and 1 in OT for not running it, do you still think he's the one calling plays and undercutting Riley throughout a game?
Get real, chief.
There are definitely a few anti-Clemson trolls on here masquerading as Tigers. Mostly though the noise and 'expert observations' today sound eerily similar to Dabo's early days when 'real football men' simply knew better.
Go Tigers.
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He questioned why a player was on the team.......
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Sep 29, 2023, 8:56 AM
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which is questioning DABO. Anytime a poster questions why somebody has a schollie on here they get blasted, but since this is a former player he gets a pass?......sounds bout right.
He also strongly disagreed w/ Dabo's asinine comment that this team was just as good as 2016.
and you got the wrong person "CHIEF"........I've never said Dabo is "undercutting" Riley, Cade should've never been given an option to pass, but it is what it is..........I've simply said "WE'RE JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ELITE"...........haven't been in 3 years. The talent just isn't there.......nor is some "FRIENDS AND FAMILY COACHING"
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Re: He questioned why a player was on the team.......
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Sep 29, 2023, 10:52 AM
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4 for 5 was a lot better than what we'd seen previously out of our PK. Stinks he couldn't finish 5 for 5. Isn't it horrible that Dabo went outside the box for a change there when what we had available wasn't cutting it? For shame.
I totally agree with Ben on the seeming shift in offensive playcalls there at the end of regulation and in OT. But the cat running that isn't your friends and family connection so there's that.
And yeah, a former player can voice what they want and deserve a lot of grace. They've paid the dues and walked the walk. The quacking fans are just that. Fans whined about the Swinney boys who never flubbed a kick snap having a scholarship. Fans continue to quack about the portal yet rave about Tyler Brown, who would not be on our roster as a late addition this past cycle and the 3rd worst rated recruit overall in the class.
I don't know that we're that far off on talent than 2016 actually. What's missing is on the field leadership on D more than anything. We certainly didn't lack for that in Ben's days here.
Go Tigers.
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Re: He questioned why a player was on the team.......
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and I agree on the kicker......I don't blame the kicker for FSU.....I don't blame the fumble either. Just pointing out his POV and stance, even if it's a similar stance to some on here it gets a COMPLETELY different reaction, but that's tnet for you.
I don't think we're "far off" either, but we are 2-3 "ELITE" playmakers away, mostly offense IMO, but I'd take another "difference maker" defensively. Call it 2 Elite WRs and 1 defensive player away, which could 100% be taken care of by utilizing the portal if Dabo would and/or knew how...........like every other FBS team in the country (sans military academy). No fans are advocating for Dabo to go all Colorado on the portal, we don't need to at this point.
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Re: He questioned why a player was on the team.......
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I think going outside for a kicker was smart. I think playing for a FG at the end of regulation was stupid. There were ZERO attempts a throwing it into the end zone. I know the sheet says play for the field goals. I largely agree with that, EXCEPT when you kicker has been on the team for 4 days and you are moving the ball all day long. Horrible call that will (and should) haunt Dabo and his inexperienced staff for a long while.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 28, 2023, 11:20 PM
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He must not be “ALL IN”.
Or maybe he’s not “A true Tiger”.
Oh, I got it.. He’s a “Bandwagon” fan.
Surely he didn’t dare to voice an unadulterated opinion!
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It's just the roids.***
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Re: It's just the roids.***
Sep 28, 2023, 11:38 PM
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Is he on Steroids?
People love to accuse people of being on them, but do you have evidence he is?
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 29, 2023, 12:37 AM
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I don't have a problem with his take....just being brutally honest....and he's right..... that 2016 team would wipe their 🫏 with them.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 29, 2023, 2:40 AM
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I can’t believe Boulware hates Clemson and Dabo so much.
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The most incredulous thought to me is that
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Sep 29, 2023, 5:43 AM
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it seems like yesterday that we were celebrating Ben's commitment to Clemson.
That he came, he saw, he conquered and now has gone on to other rewards is just mind-boggling.
I like to hear our Clemson brothers speak their minds, and if Ben speaks, a whole lot of people need to consider his words.
I'll add this: Will Shipley is another fire-breather, dedicating every ounce of energy into efforts on our behalf. I wish to heck our entire team.,.and certain staff members...had his all-out-war attitude. If so, we'd be undefeated right now, ranked right up there near the top!
GO TIGERRRRRRS! STOMP THE CUSE!
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Epic!***
Sep 29, 2023, 7:07 AM
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 29, 2023, 7:09 AM
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I feel like boulware is a former player that people would actually want as a coach at clemson
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 7:13 AM
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Yes, make BEN the DC in ‘24 . Talk about needing a GET BACK coach
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 7:34 AM
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At least an assistant under Goodwin to get experience and help give them some dire
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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LIke Ben, hate the idea of him as a coach. We need to stop with this inbred coaching tree garbage and get back to "best is the standard".
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I'm not sure I'd call that vitrol. He seems to be speaking
Sep 29, 2023, 7:36 AM
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from a real concern about the current state of things.
I'm curious what Dabo's take would be though lol.
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Re: I'm not sure I'd call that vitrol. He seems to be speaking
Sep 29, 2023, 8:26 AM
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It almost seems like Dabo is already in Alabama. He is not the hungry Dabo of years past.
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Re: I'm not sure I'd call that vitrol. He seems to be speaking
Sep 29, 2023, 8:31 AM
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This happens to most successful people. It’s hard to maintain that hunger when you have that much wealth
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I think he's just as hungry.
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He just doesn't have the answers now that he had then.
Dabo was under the misguided notion that culture and love are why we became elite and won national championships, when in reality it was because we had generational talent at key positions. Of course team culture helps, and having a coaching staff with continuity is important, but without incredible talent on the field and on the sidelines we wouldn't have won like we did.
Dabo went "all in" on his belief that culture was the key. Unfortunately, now that we lack the generational talent and top notch coaching we once had, we are a shell of our former self.
The difference is that he had something to prove then, and he doesn't now. Nonetheless, I believe that Dabo still wants to win just as badly as he did before. He is looking for answers, because the answers that he thought were correct weren't.
My hope is that he is humble enough to realize the mistakes he's made, and will drop the rigidity that seems to be keeping him from making the changes he needs to make.
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I wish he was in the team meeting on Monday.
Sep 29, 2023, 7:55 AM
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This is the kinda stuff that helps.
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Not at all shocked.
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Ive worked with him on some stuff related to his businesses.
He once told me he realized he "sucked at football" when he tried the NFL.
Which is to say, he is entirely UNENTITLED. He knows nobody owes him a thing.
So I reckon he's annoyed with a program that talks like Ali and punches like l'il sis.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 8:25 AM
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Ben seems to forget them struggling with Auburn, Troy, NC State, FSU, Pitt, and Virginia Tech. This 2023 team is totally the caliber of any of those teams if not better so to say they would 'wipe their butts", maybe they would if it was a playoff game, but through this point in the season it would very much be a dog fight.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 29, 2023, 8:30 AM
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What are you smoking to say this team is anywhere near 2016 caliber? the only stat that matters is the win column and we’ve only won our FCS games so far.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 9:10 AM
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The 2016 team was not a great team for large stretches of that season.
An 8-5 Auburn team had a hail Mary in the endzone that got batted that would have won the game.
Troy was finally decided on an onside kick in the final minute.
Louisville missed it by a yard
7-6 NC State missed a 33 yard field goal to win it.
Florida State had 1st and 10, at our 34 with 45 seconds left down three.
We lost to an 8-5 Pitt team at home
Virginia Tech had 1st and 10 at the Clemson 27 down7 with 2 minutes left.
7 out of 13 games were 1 possession. Now that 2016 team knew how to win and the 2023 does not and that is what matters. But they would not wipe the floor with them. They hardly wiped the floor with anyone in the regular season.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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Sep 29, 2023, 9:20 AM
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Game 1 night game at Auburn WAAAAY DIFFERENT than at DUKE........we won by 6 AT Auburn..........we lost by 3 TDs at Duke.
the biggest difference is our TALENT could and DID overcome any mistakes we made.........PLAYMAKERS made plays when we needed them to. We don't have those ANYMORE. I keep hearing "well if it weren't for our mistakes, blah, blah, blah"............you're either good enough to NOT MAKE THOSE MISTAKES or you're good enough to OVERCOME THEM. Our 2023 just isn't good enough to be "ELITE".......there are a few reasons why that have been well documented on here........TALENT is one of them.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 11:03 AM
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That Auburn game was neutral site though.
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no it wasn't.....I was at Auburn that year......
Sep 29, 2023, 11:24 AM
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when Clemson fans were encouraged to where white as to not blend in with the auburn orange.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 8:35 AM
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So what does he really think?
TIA
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 8:47 AM
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When is Skalski scheduled to appear on WCCP? Need to get a larger sample size of former players.
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
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You forgot the “we would’ve jumped that kicker in the locker room” he had me rolling 😂😂
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That was my favorite part!***
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Ben isnt going to sugarcoat anything
Sep 29, 2023, 8:57 AM
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He spoke the truth, and he did it with passion. This team is underachieving and it’s unacceptable. Best is standard and what we have seen this season is not “best”.
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110%er [5330]
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 9:11 AM
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The way yall keep singling out the kicker is gross considering there were plenty of mistakes made all over the field Saturday.
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All-TigerNet [12260]
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I can understand why Boulware is passionate about Clemson's
Sep 29, 2023, 9:15 AM
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recent decline. Boulware helped build this program and while he was not the most talented LB we ever had - he gave it everything he had to the program. It's hard to watch something go into to decline that you had spent every waking hour of your 4 years at Clemson to build.
The one thing I would remind Ben is that Dabo also spent every waking hour for more than 4 years building Clemson. Keeping a program at the level of that 2016 team is just hard, if not impossible, to do. While I'm unhappy with our current record, I can see the nucleus is there for another championship run. We just have to stop shooting ourselves in the foot and find ways to win instead of loose. It feels like the same problem we had early in Dabo's tenure and we found our way out of it. I'm hopeful Dabo will guide us through it again and that we will once again be a top team in the country in the coming years.
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Orange Blooded [2849]
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It is Swinney
Sep 29, 2023, 9:21 AM
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Not Sweeney
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All-In [44055]
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Sounds like the last time he will be allowed on WCCP.
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Sep 29, 2023, 12:23 PM
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I'm glad he spoke his mind though. For a former player who loves Clemson football to speak negatively about what's going on is very telling.
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Orange Blooded [3629]
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Re: Ben Boulware on WCCP
Sep 29, 2023, 1:12 PM
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Spot on .. 100% ..
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Legend [16160]
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Ben Boulware is a dumper...who knew?***
Sep 29, 2023, 3:35 PM
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