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Dabo may be partial to hiring friends and ex-players, but one thing's
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for sure, if they aren't getting the job done and he thinks they need to be replaced, he will not let that relationship stop him from giving them the axe.
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after the damage is done.....never should've hired to begin with, but.......
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better late than never I guess...?...?....good to see some movement.
I guess seeing our worst record in 13 years was enough for Dabo to admit his hiring mistakes.
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Dabo has tried to take the same leap of faith that Clemson did when they hired
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Nov 30, 2023, 4:49 PM
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HIM. He just has not been nearly as good at catching lightning in a bottle as TDP was.
Just a wild guess, but, judging from the general tone of your posts, I am guessing that is a leap of faith that you would have NEVER have taken had you been in TDP's position in 2008? Tell me true.
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Re: Dabo has tried to take the same leap of faith that Clemson did when they hired
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that's correct....fully admit that.....and it WAS lightning in a bottle. So why keep going back to that if your Dabo? I also don't mind taking a "flier" hire every now and then IF surrounded by some solid experience. Dabo went on hiring spree with the inexperience former player hires on the offensive side of the ball and it just didn't/hasn't worked.
just like Hunter Renfrow was lightning in a bottle. That doesn't mean the next 10 "walk-ons" will turn out that way.
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I also will admit, I didn't have the first clue who Dabo Swinney even was, prior
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to Tommy Bowden's departure. But, I did like the fact that he immediately took the bull by the horns, and fired Rob Spence, who was a big part of the problem, IMHO. And, I liked the little changes he made to promote team unity. It remained to be seen if he could motivate, and recruit, AND coach. Those questions were answered well enough to get him hired, at a low cost discount.
But, as I have often said, I give Terry Don Phillips even MORE credit for retaining Dabo Swinney after the disappointment of the 2010 season, than I did for the initial hire. He basically put BOTH their jobs on the line when he retained him, under some substantial fire to do otherwise. And the rest, as they like to say, is HISTORY.
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Re: Dabo has tried to take the same leap of faith that Clemson did when they hired
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Nov 30, 2023, 5:00 PM
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Always thought Dabo to be one that will give a guy an opportunity. This even more so with him seeing how he has gotten to where he is now. If you do end up fixing what is wrong then all is good and you helped a guy possibly use that experience to do bigger things. I do understand it being a cut throat business and we are not the place to be training new coaches as some say but just feel I do understand the reasoning.
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of course, but there wasn't really any reason......
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Nov 30, 2023, 4:58 PM
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for making some of the hires that he did in the first place considering Clemson and the resources have the capability of hiring top tier coaches from a salary perspective.
like having a slew of qualified resumes and a slew of non-qualified resumes for the position you're hiring for and picking 4-5 from the non-qualified pile.........sure fliers are great.......take a chance every now and then, but he went "all-in" on TOO MANY inexperienced coaches.....especially offensively.
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Like Scott and Elliott leading us to 2 Natties?
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Nov 30, 2023, 6:02 PM
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And Wes Goodwin today, when with our resources we could have gotten a big time DC name at the time?
History has proven Dabo's methods and approach to work more often than not. And when it works, it works bigly. And when it doesn't, we're still largely badasses, just not national champ type of badass. And like the bona fide leader he is, when it doesn't work, he adjusts.
Glad you're just a T-netter and not part of any program decision-making.
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Re: Like Scott and Elliott leading us to 2 Natties?
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Wes is a TERRIBLE example to make your point! Wes had 3 years of NFL experience under a two time super bowl champ coach. And his role was the brain behind Bruce Ariens. Ariens told you in interviews what a billiant defensive coach he was. Then Wes had about 4+ years I believe in the SEC under Sylvester Croom and Ellis Johnson. Those are heavy hitter defensive coordinators of the SEC and brilliant defensive minds. Croom and Johnson both said they learned more from Wes than he did from them! Then he had how many years under Venables? And Venables was going to take him to Oklahoma to be his DC? You may not have known who Wes Goodwin was, but his resume was so far ahead of any of the offensive coaches, Riley included, that it isn't even funny.
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Re: Like Scott and Elliott leading us to 2 Natties?
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Check Pobos take on the Wes Goodwin hire at the time and after last season.
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Vroom was a running backs coach most of his career
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He hasn’t coached defense since 1986 until his last stint in 2016. That’s thirty years. Where do you trolls come up with this stuff
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Just like the Scott/Elliott hires......the offense wasn't "broken"......
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the talent the offense had was absurd........tough to screw that up.
The Wes hire......I didn't mind b/c our talent on defense was absurd....tough to screw that up.
BUT.......when the talent level takes a dive like it did starting 2021 and Elliott leaves Dabo gives Streeter a job he's not ready for AND WITHOUT THE TALENT to help. Bad OC, low level talent, & low level asst coach talent is not a good recipe.................If I (and many others on here) can see that.....Dabo should've seen that.
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Re: Just like the Scott/Elliott hires......the offense wasn't "broken"......
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Streeter had the 2nd best QB productivity next to only Lincoln Riley during his tenure as QB coach. And before you lose your junk on DW and TL, remember Cole Stoudt, Kelly Bryant, and Chase Brice were under his tutelage as well.
Not qualified? DJ was a Heisman mention halfway through last season. His YOY improvement from '21 to '22 was very impressive. We were one L away from a CFP berth. Won the ACC. 11 wins. With less talent than '23. And better O #'s across the board compared to G-Money this year.
"It's so obvious." LOL
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he wasn't qualified for the OC at Clemson........
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and Dabo saw that and canned him a year later after Dabo realized his hiring MISTAKE. He then went out and hired the BEST OC available. That however just solves a PIECE of the puzzle. Dabo now needs to upgrade the depleted talent on the offensive side of the ball.........we'll see how he does with that next.......
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Sometimes management makes mistakes in personnel.
Nov 30, 2023, 11:42 PM
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Dabo isn’t perfect, but it was an irrefutably noble idea to promote from within.
Yea, there have been some questions about a couple groups, but overall we’ve been held back by a lack of elite or great QBs. Maybe Cade will get there, but DJ reached his ceiling. You have to commend the staff for having us a coot win away from being in the 4 frontrunners for the CFP.
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Re: he wasn't qualified for the OC at Clemson........
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So spending $2M and doing worse is solving the problem 🤔…got it! Just trying to keep up with who to hate and to whom to like and who to make excuses for when things aren’t going well….it’s all so confusing and hard to keep up…because numbers, facts, records and stats obviously aren’t the determining factor on these things when it comes to Clemson fans…just trying to ride the Tnet wave and drink the orange kool-Aid.
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Re: Look , goofy, you try way too hard.
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ProjectTiger Are recruiting and development part of coaching? Possibly more important than schemes and x'x and o's?
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When you boil away all the fat
Nov 30, 2023, 11:35 PM
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We’ve needed an elite QB for the last 3 seasons. The QB is the most important position on the field, period.
That’s not to say there haven’t been a couple things - like OL push and toughness and WR fundamentals - but overall the program has been held back by not having that elite or even great QB. That’s the most critical thing and it can’t really be argued. The elites and great are led by elite and great QBs. That’s the way it is most every time if not all.
You do know we were headed to the playoffs last year before foot fiasco, right? That’s great coaching considering the handicap at QB. And oh yeah, weren’t we 4-4 this year and written off for dead before winning 4 straight including two ranked wins. That’s also solid coaching no doubt. With Cade running things as a not quite ready guy, we were able to find ways to win as a team. That’s coaching.
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foot should be the coot. Maybe I should proofread.
Nov 30, 2023, 11:37 PM
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Go Tigers
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Re: Look , goofy, you try way too hard.
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They are, but you have to remember that some of these recruits who didn't pan out were recruited by some previous staff members.
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Who are the elite teams without a seasoned QB and talent.
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Your efforts to come up with this stuff is quite comical.
The DJ era was painful. DJ is the PRIMARY reason for a lack of a dynamic offense.
Cade is a developing QB whose team dropped the ball, including him, at the worst of times and it can CLEARLY be said those turnovers cost a 4 games.
Swing and a miss buddy.
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Re: Who are the elite teams without a seasoned QB and talent.
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yep........Clemson offense has lots of problems......TALENT being one of them, hopefully Dabo's fixing that too........we'll see...
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Spot on!
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Can’t you see one of the best football coaches in America has done nothing but hire bad coaches?
These people are literally nuts. Every coach misses on a coach from time to time. We can certainly improve, but when you look at our four losses you can pinpoint very specific turnover reasons for the loss. I.e., not coaching.
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Re: Spot on!
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Saban does not miss often. He recycles coaches but they are very qualified ones.
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Saban keeps rehiring Kevin Steele and he hires former players too
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Saban has had a whole lot more assistants leave than Dabo. So that’s not even an accurate comparison
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I've got news for you - all coaches make mistakes. Every coach hires coaches
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they wind up having to fire. Dabo and Clemson are not unique in that regard at all. Still, in spite of his stupid hires, Dabo has a record of success that is rivaled by very few, so people getting their panties in a wad over a few coaches that didn't work out it seems silly to me.
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Its bizarre how some guys ignore the fact firing assts
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happens everywhere.
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Re: Dabo Reads ---
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If it ain't TigerNet he is reading and hearing things from other media outlets and sources.
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Re: Dabo may be partial to hiring friends and ex-players, but one thing's
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Agree but he was slow on Austin.
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How so. He only coached the Oline for two seasons***
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