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New info on ACC GOR - there is a way out!
Jul 17, 2022, 8:31 AM
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Most have thought there is no way around the GOR with members voting to dissolve the league being the only way around it. It had been assumed that would be impossible due to a "super majority" of votes (12 of 15) being required. Louisville AD has now let the cat out of bag in that only a simple majority of 8 votes to dissolve the league would be required. This changes the dynamic significantly. If eight ACC schools have landing spots in other leagues, they now control the outcome - NOT ESPN and can use that leverage to either leave or force ESPN to re-open the TV contract.
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Re: New info on ACC GOR - there is a way out!
Jul 17, 2022, 8:39 AM
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Surprised that was not mentioned at all before now???
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Re: New info on ACC GOR - there is a way out!
Jul 17, 2022, 8:43 AM
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Does the ACC even have 8 teams that are wanted by other conferences?
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Re: New info on ACC GOR - there is a way out!
Jul 17, 2022, 8:44 AM
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Even if there aren't eight landing places (I believe there are) the ACC can use the threat of dissolving to force ESPN to reopen the TV contract.
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David Hale reported eight teams
Jul 17, 2022, 9:20 PM
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coming together would void GOR as well. Even if they don’t actually do it, the threat of it may force ESPN to renegotiate the contract. Clemson, Florida State, Miami, UNC, Virginia and Virginia Tech would be for voting against the conference in my opinion. So two more teams are needed. I would think NC State would be on board. Then it gets more complicated. Hopefully Georgia Tech would join the other seven. Then either the ACC ends or ESPN offers a much better deal.
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Re: David Hale reported eight teams
Jul 17, 2022, 9:12 AM
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Don't forget Notre Dame gets a vote too and they could be persuaded to vote to dissolve as well.
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Re: David Hale reported eight teams
Jul 17, 2022, 9:13 AM
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I forgot about Louisville. I think Louisville would definitely be on board to break away
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Re: David Hale reported eight teams
Jul 17, 2022, 9:18 AM
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Maybe if they knew they had a safe landing spot in the Big 12. No way the B1G would invite them and I doubt the would increase the size of the pie slices for the SEC.
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Re: David Hale reported eight teams
Jul 17, 2022, 9:13 AM
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Notre Dame could also be a yes vote. Even though their exit fee and GOR issue would not be as much, I’m sure they would prefer to avoid it if they choose to go to the B1G.
And also, you’re correct. The 8 votes to dissolve is not new information. I’ve never seen anything about a supermajority before.
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Re: David Hale reported eight teams
Jul 17, 2022, 9:40 AM
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I still that think theACC should expand by inviting a few quality teams to join the league and then force the tv guys to up the ante. Finding this quality might not be easy but it is possible!
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Re: David Hale reported eight teams
Jul 17, 2022, 10:02 AM
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I respect you for trying to find a way to salvage the ACC. Like you, I don’t want to easily abandon 70 years of our history and tradition. I was in denial a few days after the latest news of USC and UCLA moving to the B1G. But I’m not sure there is another way. It’s a new day.
And frankly, today’s ACC with BC, Pitt, Cuse, and Louisville doesn’t resemble much the ACC of our youth anyway. Hopefully if this happens, FSU, UNC and UVA go with us to maintain some of that ACC feel in the home.
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Re: David Hale reported eight teams
Jul 17, 2022, 1:36 PM
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My question is which of you T-Netters who favor keeping the ACC together or joining the PAC/BIG 12/OTHER are going to make up the $65M per year variance between ACC/Clemson football network revenue and SEC/B1G revenue? When South Carolina, Ms State, Rutgers, Vanderbilt and more are raking in $700 million more in revenue than Clemson over the next decade or so. These schools will be able to use the additional funding for player NIL payments, other sports programs, new facilities and significantly higher coaching salaries.
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Haha. Your hopes are on 8 schools being in lockstep to vote
Jul 17, 2022, 10:54 AM
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to dissolve the ACC in order to force a renegotiation? No way. Any individual school wouldn't challenge it UNLESS they had an ironclad better offer, and no way that 8 schools, whatever their names, would have that and then work together.
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Re: Haha. Your hopes are on 8 schools being in lockstep to vote
Jul 17, 2022, 11:05 AM
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If you’re considering only the SEC and B1G, then you’re right it’s highly unlikely 8 ACC teams would be attractive enough to all get offers. But if you throw the Big 12 in the mix, who out of desperation added BYU, Houston, Cincy and UCF, then there is a path for 8 or more.
The challenge would be with the coordination, not only among the needed 8 ACC schools but also to get the SEC, B1G and Big 12 to somewhat work in concert on the timing so all 8 would no their have a safe home waiting on them at roughly the same time.
Difficult yes, but not impossible.
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Re: New info on ACC GOR - there is a way out!
Jul 17, 2022, 11:07 AM
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That is not something Clemson wants. They need to exit the ACC because No matter what ACC does there is no seat at the big boy table.
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The Big Atlantic.
Jul 17, 2022, 11:28 AM
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That's what 8 ACC schools could form on their own, and rob West Va from the Big XII.
Clemson
FSU
Miami
UNC
NC State
Va Tech
Louisville
Pitt
West Va
It could be like an ACC/Big East greatest hits. Not a bad football conference right there and those teams would make for some exciting games.
From there, invite Ga Tech, UVA, BC, Syracuse, Duke, and Wake back in to form a second football division and team up for other sports (a la ACC), and add a USF, Memphis, and maybe Navy or UConn in to round out that 9-team group.
Those in the top division earn the bigger media share, and schedule a few crossovers for history and proximity purposes. At the end of the day the 2nd division programs would earn close to where they are now, while the upper could land a media deal propelling them into that upper crust territory. The new football add-ons could see a smaller share even as 'affiliate' members until they've proven themselves.
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Add TCU, Oklahoma St and SMU
Jul 17, 2022, 12:31 PM
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Get a foot in Texas recruiting lanes
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I'd rather see them do something similar out west with
Jul 28, 2014, 10:04 PM
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Big XII and Pac teams TBH, maybe plan a crossover with the Atlantic on a game per season aligning with the upper and lower divisions, or just the upper.
Kids will continue to want variety. If the upper realm of the SEC, the B1G, an Atlantic and a Western version were all viable and competing on a level playing field, we could all thrive and stay closer to the regional collegiate model. The coastal leagues may have fewer at the top end than what fills the SEC and B1G, but if those at the top end had equal footing and opportunity, it wouldn't be a detriment.
If anything, we should float this model past ESPN/Fox/NBC/Amazon/Apple to gauge value for us, along with tempering the value they may place on the new SEC and B1G knowing this would be an option.
If the media powers believe there's only two games in town, we're screwed. If they see that there are four legitimate games in town, we're in a much better competitive position going forward.
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Re: New info on ACC GOR - there is a way out!
Jul 17, 2022, 9:46 AM
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The cost of the GOR for leaving is $50M MAX like Maryland would be negotiated to a lower number. Based on the numbers being discussed the payback for GOR would be less than one year so why are folks worried about the cost of the GOR? If Clemson decides to bolt AND has an invitation the GOR cost will be merely an afterthought
My guess is things are progressing in the background with all stakeholders doing their due diligence
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Re: New info on ACC GOR - there is a way out!
Jul 17, 2022, 9:50 AM
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The exit fee is three times annual revenue plus all of your TV money until 2036. Most people think it would be closer to 400 million total for Clemson to get out of the ACC unless it’s negotiated down.
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Re: New info on ACC GOR - there is a way out!
Jul 17, 2022, 11:22 AM
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ACC expanding is the only way. Clemson doesn’t have the finances to get out. Nor do any of the other teams.
Add a few good universities similar to what we have now and get a new deal and move in. I personally would have no problem with Penn State, West Virginia, SMU, Maryland, Houston, or Memphis being invited to join up
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Re: New info on ACC GOR - there is a way out!
Jul 17, 2022, 12:32 PM
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Penn State is the only school you mentioned that would add any value and it still wouldn't match what they would make in the B1G.
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