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Deer StanleyTiger,
Oct 2, 2012, 1:43 PM
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If a player has his left foot touching the end zone and right foot in the air sticking out of bounds and then catches the ball, is that a TD? If you say no, why was nuk's catch and a couple others this season catches?
So then what is the difference in those and the play sat?
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The difference is the ruling that the pylon is a 1'
Oct 2, 2012, 1:47 PM
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extension upward of the out of bounds line. He hit that pylon.
I don't understand why the rule is complicated for you to understand. While the rule may be stupid, it's quite clear.
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Re: The difference is the ruling that the pylon is a 1'
Oct 3, 2012, 9:23 AM
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CUATFL makes up his mind and then will argue interminably whether right or wrong. He's like a dog with a bone.
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He touched a part of the field that was out of bounds
Oct 2, 2012, 1:51 PM
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It stinks. It took away an amazing play (one of two in the game). But it unfortunately is rather straight forward once the little known rule was dug up
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Re: He touched a part of the field that was out of bounds
Oct 2, 2012, 2:09 PM
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I understand the rule. My point of this post to argue that it indeed does not make sense. If it did make sense then any player who breaks the plane of any out of bounds marker should be ineligible to be the first to touch the ball. In other words, those catches should not be catches.
I know the rule and I know why it wasn't a TD. Fact is the rule is stupid and does not make sense at all.
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I think the kicker is he didn't just break the plane, he
Oct 2, 2012, 2:22 PM
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physically touched something that was out of bounds.
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Re: I think the kicker is he didn't just break the plane, he
Oct 2, 2012, 2:24 PM
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so with that logic, if it's raining and he tocuhes a rain drop mid air directly over the line, he should be out of bounds....or if the ref is standing on the line and he hits the ref, he's out of bounds?
Again, no logic in that anywhere makes any sense....
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Rain drop is just stupid trying to belittle something
Oct 2, 2012, 2:31 PM
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As far as the referee..that is something I've been trying to find. But I think the official is considered part of the field, and if he is out of bounds, the ball (or player) may be out of bounds. Similar to basketball..
Now with your rain drop junk...maybe if the rain drop was extended and simultaneously reaching up from the white paint of the sideline maintaining contact with the ground and Nuk...then perhaps. But would we be able to see the rain drop?
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Re: The pylon is , by rule, part of the OOB portion of the field
Oct 2, 2012, 3:46 PM
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well then why if you have the ball dive and hit the pylon first its a td by that rule you should be oob
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Absolutely true
Oct 2, 2012, 4:00 PM
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Have the ball and hit the pylon? you are down. Always. Period.
At that instant te TD or No TD call depends entirely on the position of the ball in relation to the goal line. And if you hit the pylon with the ball it's, by rule, a TD because the pylon is both OOB and part of the goal pie, so the ball has broke the plane of the goal line.
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Not correct. A player can have the ball, hit the pylon, and
Oct 2, 2012, 4:54 PM
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score a touchdown (the ball does not have to touch the pylon).
VI. Ball carrier A22 heads for the right-hand pylon at the goal line. At
the B-2 he dives or is blocked into the air by an opponent. The ball in
A22’s right hand crosses the sideline at the B-1 and passes outside the
pylon, and then A22 (a) touches the pylon with his foot or left hand;
(b) first touches the ground out of bounds three yards beyond the goal
line. RULING: (a) Touchdown. The goal-line plane is extended since A22 touches the pylon.
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Never mind - you are correct.
Oct 2, 2012, 4:56 PM
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After reading your post again I see what you are saying.
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I think there is a simple misunderstanding here
Oct 2, 2012, 3:13 PM
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Folks who are saying the rules makes sense (I believe) are arguing against the proposed situation by many folks that the rule is contradictory concerning players with the ball hitting the pylon and players hitting the pylon before the catch. In that regards the rule is perfectly simple and consistent.
However, to the point of fact that nowhere else on the field do we call four inches above OOB as OOB the rule seems stupid to most folks.
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^^^ This***
Oct 2, 2012, 5:12 PM
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Re: Deer StanleyTiger,
Oct 2, 2012, 1:59 PM
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Try again that one was dumb
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Re: Deer StanleyTiger,
Oct 24, 2024, 2:07 PM
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That was dumb, yet you have no response as to why the rule makes sense. Gotcha....
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Re: Deer StanleyTiger,
Oct 3, 2012, 7:31 AM
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That is the best armsb can do.
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Why do they even have pylons to begin with ?? *****
Oct 2, 2012, 2:27 PM
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How else would they know where the Pharoahs are buried?***
Oct 2, 2012, 2:34 PM
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Re: Why do they even have pylons to begin with ?? *****
Oct 2, 2012, 2:38 PM
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So the Schenider Cup Pilots would have some reference to fly their planes around. Started in the 1920's, I think....
JK
I have an honest question, though.
Are these pylons all in-bounds, or out-of-bounds????
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They are on the white line, so they are all out of bounds...***
Oct 2, 2012, 2:41 PM
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Re: They are on the white line, so they are all out of bounds...***
Oct 2, 2012, 3:48 PM
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if you hit it with the football in your hands its a td how the hell is that should be out of bounds
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It's the intersection of OOB and the end-zone.***
Oct 3, 2012, 9:26 AM
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In that case, it would be a TD. Nuk's catch Sat was not a TD
Oct 2, 2012, 5:07 PM
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because Nuk hit the pylon first, before he caught the ball. The pylon itself is out of bounds, so when Nuk hit it, he was out of bounds, and ineligible to catch a pass.
Breaking the vertical plane above the sideline does not result in a player being out of bounds; they actually have to touch something out of bounds first, such as the sideline or a pylon. The vertical plane of the sideline is used for spotting the ball when a it is broken by a live ball that is kicked, fumbled, or in possession of a player.
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Re: Deer StanleyTiger,
Oct 2, 2012, 6:00 PM
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If a player has his left foot touching the end zone and right foot in the air sticking out of bounds and then catches the ball, is that a TD?
Yes. Air means nothing as far as out of bounds go.
If you say no, why was nuk's catch and a couple others this season catches?.
Nuk was out of bounds when he touched the pylon. The pylon is an extension of the boundary. Nuk possessed the ball once his foot came down in the endzone, but he had already touched the pylon, making him out of bounds before possession.
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Re: Don't you be brining logic into this discussion***
Oct 3, 2012, 9:25 AM
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