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All-In [40936]
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Feds raise rates and the market jumps
Jul 27, 2022, 4:46 PM
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30 plus years investing experience and I am never right.
I guess everyone knew it was coming.
Pick a strategy and stick with the indexes. I remember thinking how smart I was right before Y2K. Aggressive NASDAQ investing made me feel rich. My accounts went up way more than my salary as an owner of an engineering company. Then *poof*
I am pretty good at hindsight.
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Re: Feds raise rates and the market jumps
Jul 27, 2022, 5:04 PM
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Biden being the brilliant person he his, eased fears and redefined recession.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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cause they've been waiting on the fed to do something
Jul 27, 2022, 5:11 PM
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about inflation since last yr.
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The most uninformed opinion ever, but it seems that with
Jul 27, 2022, 7:11 PM
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corp earnings still good, and the expected steps to lower inflation already being factored in, the market is optimistic. Some say a bona fide recession is still to come, so we'll see what happens if and when.
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I just don't see it. Throwing some water on a raging
Jul 28, 2022, 8:37 AM
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fire does not make a recession.
Labor market is through the roof. Many sectors of the economy is going gangbusters.
Supply is still an issue and inflation.
Cooling off an overheated economy is not a recession it's bringing it back to normal
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Orange Blooded [2429]
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Re: I just don't see it. Throwing some water on a raging
Jul 28, 2022, 8:46 AM
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LMAO at another dumabss liberal. Labor rate is low because no one works anymore, just draws a gubmint check. I guess when we hit a depression you fools will call it a mild transitory recession.
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Step away from the fox news every now and then***
Jul 28, 2022, 8:52 AM
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Senate passed the Chips act today.
Jul 27, 2022, 7:47 PM
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Interesting we have to pass a bill to fund an industry
Jul 28, 2022, 3:53 AM
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Americans literally invented, since after inventing it we decided to let cheap foreign labor and less red tape make them for us. So we pass a bill to pay America to take back the industry it invented and build Chips ourselves.
Brilliant! We don't build the cheap chips because they're not profitable. We don't recycle garbage in the US. It's not profitable. We literally take garbage and ship it to China for recycling, but then even that became unprofitable for China. So we will toss money around to fund an industry making cheap chips in the US that can't be profitable. Great. Luckily with chips gone and car prices skyrocketing those car chips can be profitable again. And cars more expensive.
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Re: Feds raise rates and the market jumps
Jul 27, 2022, 8:32 PM
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If you're making investment decision based on what happens in one day, then index funds are probably where you need to be.
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Bet Pelosi's hubby knew it would go up ... he's a stock wiz***
Jul 27, 2022, 10:17 PM
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Re: Bet Pelosi's hubby knew it would go up ... he's a stock wiz***
Jul 28, 2022, 6:12 AM
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Nothing to see there. He’s just a visionary investor with no advantages over the rest of us right?
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Looks like many investors were concerned that...
Jul 28, 2022, 7:40 AM
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the raise might be 1% and that that was baked in in some places, so the 0.75% was expected/was under what was expected.
Good illustration that it's tough to win over time with short-term trading. Best to just keep putting money in and take the long-term/slow road approach.
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Re: Looks like many investors were concerned that...
Jul 28, 2022, 9:03 AM
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If a person is using a top down approach (looking at the overall economy to make investment decisions), the question shouldn't be what happens in one day of trading due to a Fed decision on raising interest rates. The question should be how is this ultimately going to affect GDP. Definitely keep an eye on the corporate tax rate hike, as well. That would certainly negatively affect GDP.
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All-In [46825]
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There hasn't been a fed hike in history that didn't come
Jul 28, 2022, 8:22 AM
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with a bunch of heads ups and priced ins
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I'm right there with you
Jul 28, 2022, 9:06 AM
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I thought this week was going to be a blood bath. Had a massive short position entered but I never got picked up on Monday....thank God. I was convinced we'd see 3k in the S&P before we closed above 4k. Of course, last time I went short big was 3 days before Donnie Pump cut the Covid Bill and I got wrecked...so maybe it's a good sign and we found bottom 
Still some big boys left to release earnings that could reverse sentiment. JPow's statements were pretty much exactly what everyone was expecting...with some interpretations of a more dovish stance now that the FFR is in "neutral" territory.
The fact that they're cutting guidance, and being more "data dependent" means we'll see some bigger moves on jobs numbers, earnings, CPI prints etc. This will also impact the dollar in the FX markets - of what impact this has I still can't figure out.
I don't think we are quite there yet, but getting close to the area of bad news is good news for markets. The Fed will have to pivot at some point unless we stabilize here and CPI falls while the job market holds. In an economy fueled by growth, however, you could (and should) argue this scenario represents a fallacy.
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Re: I'm right there with you
Jul 28, 2022, 10:20 AM
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What do you mean 'bad news is good news' for the market? Do you have an example? Not trying to debate what you're saying here, just trying to understand.
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Bad economic news
Jul 28, 2022, 10:30 AM
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leads to a more market friendly financial policy from the Fed. I.e. Covid Crash
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Re: Bad economic news
Jul 28, 2022, 10:44 AM
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Oh, ok. I get what you're saying now. I think that COVID I just had knocked my brains out a little.
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