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Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 11:36 AM
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It's a sad state of affairs in college football. Best recruiting money can buy. I feel sorry for the regular students who have to beg for a simple scholarship to help offset the high cost of college.
Some of these athletes already have full rides, and now on top of that they get paid to play. This is so screwed up. The people who will actually make a difference in society get nothing and have to pay, while the "entertainers" (players) pay nothing and get paid for doing what they want.
And just so you know, my son graduates Summa ### Laude in Economics from Clemson in May, and other than the Palmetto Lottery Scholarship and a small scholarship that Clemson offers since he got the Palmetto, he got nothing else. But I have paid it off in full, so he has no debt coming out of college. Few kids are that lucky. He will be getting his masters in 1 year because he's been taking graduate level courses while getting his degree.
Priorities at colleges need to be examined. It's getting so only the rich or athletes can afford it. That leaves a bunch of deserving kids out. Many who get loans to pay for college are saddled with that albatross hanging over their heads for 25 years. Just my opinion.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 11:48 AM
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Not to mention the cost to go to college has gone through the roof. If what I have read is accurate, the total cost for an in state student at Clemson is up to $34,000 per year. PIG your son is very lucky to have you to pay the balance for him. Fantastic that he earned those scholarships. Congrats to you both!
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:22 PM
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And I don't mind paying, but many simply can't afford it. And that's terrible for kids who are deserving of a college education.
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But, but, but... the students get to enjoy all those nice new buildings***
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Jan 18, 2024, 11:48 AM
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There is that.
Jan 18, 2024, 6:42 PM
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In two years we'll have three in school.
We are wealthy. Money is not a thing. And we are grateful.
However, we are constantly questioning the value proposition these schools are throwing at us. It's alot of swill and marketing anymore. A pure money-grab cloaked in USNews rankings.
Nevermind the unrelenting full court press from the Foundation shills with their dern "naming opportunities" and the like.
Our youngest is leaning trade school and brotha, Im 100% on-board. She'll in two years come out more earning power than a battalion of suckers with $100k biz bachelors from Clemson.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 11:49 AM
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College and Universities need to be overhauled.
We need to get the Fed Gov't out of the student loan business. It's caused tuitions to blow up, a conflagration of useless majors, administrative salaries to rise disproportionately, and cheapened the degree.
I agree with you though, and I think the state of college football is really just a symptom of a larger problem.
Congratulations on your son btw. Well done!
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:23 PM
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Thanks, and I agree.
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Collegiate athletics, particularly football...
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Jan 18, 2024, 11:51 AM
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generates multi-millions of dollars annually in revenue for the schools. I take it you don't think those student-athletes should share in that financially?
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As long as they are college students first, and are held to the same exact
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:15 PM
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academic standards as all other students, then I'm fine if they share in the revenue. However, if they graduate from or spend 3-4 years Clemson and can't spell or put a sentence together at a 4th grade level, then our priorities are way out of whack. That nonsense should end today, proudly, with no apologies.
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Is there something specific that makes you think that's an issue?***
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:29 PM
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Not sure if serious, but yes, absolutely. I've heard many of them speak
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Jan 18, 2024, 1:07 PM
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and seen a lot of things they posted online. It's really sad.
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You never hear about players being academically ineligible...
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Jan 18, 2024, 1:26 PM
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I think all of the on-line classes that are available now have largely contributed to that.
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Right - I never said it did. I was responding to this question only:
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Jan 18, 2024, 5:29 PM
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Collegiate athletics, particularly football...generates multi-millions of dollars annually in revenue for the schools. I take it you don't think those student-athletes should share in that financially?
I think that as long as college athletes are students first, subject to the same exact academic standards and requirements as non-athletes, then they are welcome to share in the revenue they help generate.
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Re: Collegiate athletics, particularly football...
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:31 PM
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They were already benefiting by being given a free education, room and board, best food and coaching there is, every kind of training facility imaginable, medical, tutoring, clothing, monetary stipend, and getting to showcase their skills on national TV for future employment. I would wager to bet that each football player on scholarship received about $75,000.00 - $100,000.00 per year in all of the above. The general student population gets part time jobs to try to help cover costs.
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Re: Collegiate athletics, particularly football...
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Jan 18, 2024, 6:46 PM
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I would double your figures on the cost benefit that D1 athletes receive annually, especially in football. Figuring in the state-of-the-art training equipment, salaries for all the support and training personnel, etc., in addition to tuition, room, and board - I would imagine it's $200K + per athlete we're investing there each and every year.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:00 PM
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You have the whole situation wrong. Our granddaughter is a high school junior and has never made a B in school. Every school has thousands and thousands of dollars in scholarships because students look for the best deal they can find. NIL was never intended to be what has turned out to be but every athlete, regardless of their sport, has the right to earn money just like you do. Because football and basketball are different and all players are on full rides, you cannot forget all the other sports that do not have full scholarships because of NCAA limits. At the end of the day, why should a football player not be able to able to make an NIL deal?
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:24 PM
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Invest in a tutor.
You don’t have the whole situation right.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
Jan 18, 2024, 12:35 PM
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I get what you're sayin, and I agree with you. Many athletes in other sports only get a 1/4 scholarship, and walkons none.
The ones I'm talking about are the athletes who get their cake and eat it too. It's not even fair to the less privileged athletes. The system is broken. They shouldn't be able to get both after a certain level of income is reached.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:03 PM
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Pig, I couldn’t agree more. My daughter just graduated from the nursing program last month, Magna ### Laude. Like your son, she graduated debt free with the same scholarships as your son. What pisses me off is the folks expecting the government to forgive their student loans. Those folks signed the paperwork agreeing to repay those loans. Now they want forgiveness. Where’s the accountability? Those of us that were responsible are getting screwed over. I am so sick of all the government handouts for lazy folks.
Sorry for the long rant. Rant now over.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:38 PM
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Harrumph!!! Harrumph!!!
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 1:16 PM
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Agree 100%. No one ever got a student loan without being told what the repayment schedule was up front. This is how we are destroying the concept of personal responsibility in our society.
My son in law had student loan debt when he married my daughter. They prioritized that debt and paid it off in about 2 years. If they hadn’t done that he probably would have qualified for this to be “forgiven”. So is the government going to pay him anything because he did the right thing and paid it off early? No, and thankfully, he doesn’t expect it.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 6:52 PM
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I don't believe the principle on student loans should be forgiven but there is something to be said on the reform side on the interest portion. It's not like these kids are running up a credit card debt for consumer crap or vacations. It's an investment in a future and qualifying for many jobs that, rightly or wrongly, have that as a requirement.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Pig - the similarities continue. We lived out of state when my daughter attended Clemson. She did get some academic scholarships based on her test scores and class rank (valedictorian). The scholarships basically brought her tuition down to the in-state number. It seems like Clemson recruits out of state students harder than in state. Probably some type of quota number involved here. With our daughter and our son, who attended Penn St, we took what student loans were available to them but we paid them off when they graduated. It basically spread the cost over 5 years instead of 4. I believed it was my responsibility to get them through college and both got civil engineering degrees that got them good jobs right out school. After that, they are on their own financially. I did the same thing, except I did have a small student loan debt when I graduated because my father’s health got bad enough that he had to retire early and could not pay for my last year. My wife and I started with really nothing except an 8 year old car and my degree. But here we are - retired last year just before my 60th birthday after putting 2 kids through college with no debt. Hope we have passed that ethic on to them.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 12:43 PM
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You got it brother!!! I hope they picked up our ethics on this subject. There are other parts of my life that luckily they have not picked up.
My daughter graduated from Anderson University in History Education. She also got her masters. Believe it or not, Anderson is more expensive than Clemson, but they give more scholarships because they are private.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
Jan 18, 2024, 1:30 PM
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Your son is not making millions of dollars for the university.
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Re: Football and athlete recruiting in general vs. the rest of the student body
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Jan 18, 2024, 5:24 PM
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Neither does an individual player. It is a team sport, yet many on the team get little or nothing.
The system is broken.
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Your son has a much firmer foundation.
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Jan 18, 2024, 6:36 PM
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He'll have the humility and resilience to be cheerful in all of life's weathers. Many of these athletes leave broken and unequipped and I suspect many end up in the same situation they came out in the first place.
So on one hand, these schools throw a lot of swag at the jocks, but the jocks get used up by the schools. Hence the unbridled NIL and portal sitch.
On the other, solid citizens who scrape and save to get thru learn that it's a process, and choices have to be made, and scalps must be earned.
And they're the ones who go on and build companies, or cultivate careers, and raise families and advance civilizations.
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college is basically free if you're smart
Jan 18, 2024, 9:03 PM
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you just have to pay for housing and food
it's always been like that. and the percentage of smart people is still the same and very very small
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