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110%er [6153]
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Give Roy Williams a 5-year contract at Clemson and he's
Jan 26, 2014, 8:37 PM
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forced into retirement before his contract is done.
Give Brad Brownell a 5-year contract at UNC and he wins the ACC 2-3 times during his stay.
UNC recruits for Roy (and any other coach they hire) while Clemson's history, tradition and lack of commitment recruits against Brownell and pretty much any other coach we hire).
That's pretty much the size of it.
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Yep, which is why I believe we need a Purnell type system
Jan 26, 2014, 8:38 PM
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to brand ourselves differently. Something exciting.
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Our recruits are better now than back then...***
Jan 27, 2014, 7:28 AM
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Agree with most of that
Jan 26, 2014, 8:42 PM
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I don't know that Clemson works against BB. Put him at a *slightly* better program historically, like say, Ga Tech, and I don't think he does much better recruiting than he does at Clemson. Sounds like KJ came here because of the ACC. May sound Cootish to sell players on our conference, but whatever gets good players in the door
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being in the ACC helps Clemson basketball
Jan 26, 2014, 8:43 PM
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just like being in the SEC hurts SC basketball
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???***
Jan 27, 2014, 12:03 AM
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90% of the players we sign were not seriously recruited by
Jan 26, 2014, 9:01 PM
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any other ACC teams, and particularly ot by the Tobacco Road teams. That's just a fact. KJ may have come here because of the ACC, but he was not given a sniff by the team we played against tonight.
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I'm sorry but that's just a dumb argument. How well did UNC
Jan 26, 2014, 8:44 PM
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recruit for Guthridge? What about UK under Tubby Smith? You think he pulled in the same caliber of recruits as Calipari?
And how did Purnell manage to get full of guys that competed in the top 3rd of the ACC for 3-4 straight years? KJ McDaniels is the only guy on this team that would see the court on a couple of those OP teams. Booker, Rivers, Hamilton, Stitt, Mays, Young, Oglesby, etc are all better than anyone on this team not named KJ McDaniels.
The school only plays a part, the coaches absolutely make a difference when it comes to recruiting.
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Re: I'm sorry but that's just a dumb argument. How well did UNC
Jan 26, 2014, 8:47 PM
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lol when did we compete in the top 3rd of the ACC for 3-4 straight years?
His last 5 years here we were 5th, 5th, 3rd, 7th, 8th.
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We certainly "competed" in the top 3rd. A lot of those years
Jan 26, 2014, 8:52 PM
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we were only 1 win or so out of 3rd or 4th place.
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Re: We certainly "competed" in the top 3rd. A lot of those years
Jan 27, 2014, 8:29 AM
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wow
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I said competed not finished. 3rd, 5th, 5th in a 12 team
Jan 27, 2014, 7:57 AM
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league qualifies as competing in the top third to me, especially when we were capable of playing with and beating just about anyone. Yeah we lost some heart breakers and blew some late leads and what not, but those teams were competitive with just about anyone in the league.
And FWIW i think Brownell proved that he could coach in his first season at Clemson when he took what was left here and went 9-7 and won a tournament game. The question with BB was always whether or not he could recruit well enough to stay competitive in this league and so far the answer has been no.
I'm not saying we should fire the man right now though.
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I agree completely. It's all about the players. I think
Jan 26, 2014, 8:59 PM
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Brownell is a better coach than Roy.
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Re:Nae***
Jan 26, 2014, 9:05 PM
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Re: I agree completely. It's all about the players.
Jan 26, 2014, 9:48 PM
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More and more beans are spilling out of the UNC Can. This school thing is not quite over, in spite of Swoffie's and the old AD @ UNC.
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Explain Butler. Florida (they were terrible). Witchita St.
Jan 26, 2014, 9:53 PM
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The right personnel will build a winning program. When we get that profile of personnel and pay them what they are earning elsewhere, we will win. History has little to do with it.
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Legend [16228]
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Indiana and Kansas both produce a higher quality of BB
Jan 26, 2014, 10:52 PM
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player than our state and Billy D just flat out cheats his ### off, so there's that...
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Provide a link where Billy D cheats? TIA...***
Jan 26, 2014, 10:57 PM
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I didn't say he got caught, I said he cheats.***
Jan 26, 2014, 11:03 PM
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Link? How would you, and not the NCAA, knows he cheats?***
Jan 26, 2014, 11:04 PM
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Legend [16228]
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Same way I know UCLA paid players and the NCAA apparently
Jan 26, 2014, 11:09 PM
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didn't.
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And what way is that? You're ducking my ?s. To be more
Jan 26, 2014, 11:11 PM
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direct, provide specific proof that Billy D cheat.
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Re: And what way is that? You're ducking my ?s. To be more***
Jan 27, 2014, 8:04 AM
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Re: Provide a link where Billy D cheats? TIA...***
Jan 27, 2014, 9:10 AM
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I've not seen cheating by Billy Donovan. What I see is a coach committed to helping young men achieve.
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There's plenty of elite basketball talent in Atlanta.
Jan 27, 2014, 1:06 PM
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UGA has never been able to land any of it, and GT hasn't gotten much of it recently either. We're also rarely even in the mix for the elite players in our own state.
It's certainly not DC or Philly, but there's talent in a 100-150 mile radius around Clemson, we just don't get it.
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