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Good listen here on FSU/Clem... I believe this guy was the
Aug 5, 2023, 1:45 PM
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first to have the USC/UCLA to the B1G. It's mostly FSU talk on his pod today... mentions Clemson in that text. However, he firmly believes that FSU is going to write a massive check to get out of the GOR. Basically says FSU believes their brand will slowly continue to die over the next 13 years in the ACC. They can't accept that, and they are going to write a massive check to get out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwlFlKTmNZI
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Re: Good listen here on FSU/Clem... I believe this guy was the
Aug 5, 2023, 1:50 PM
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Thank you for keeping us updated on all this. Really have enjoyed the information you’ve been providing. Wherever we land, we’ll land on our feet and compete. Just can’t stay in the ACC!
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Letterman [290]
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good listen... makes sense that FSU would pay up if they
Aug 5, 2023, 2:02 PM
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thought their brand could not survive the ACC
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Re: Good listen here on FSU/Clem... I believe this guy was the
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Aug 5, 2023, 2:04 PM
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If FSU pays their way out of GOR, can Clemson then fight the GOR without paying sue to its failure to keep the schools together?
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Probably, but not without paying what FSU pays to get out.***
Aug 6, 2023, 8:59 AM
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Jon Wilner at the Mercury Sun broke the USC/UCLA news***
Aug 5, 2023, 2:12 PM
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Re: Jon Wilner at the Mercury Sun broke the USC/UCLA news***
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Aug 5, 2023, 2:35 PM
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That’s not true. I follow this guy on Twitter and he was talking about USC/UCLA to BIG before anyone. He has a friend who is connected in the BIG and that friend was feeding him inside information. When I first started following him, I thought he was full of it, but it was entertaining. He provided details that NO ONE else did at that time. In fact, it was so unlikely that I didn’t believe it. But the dude was spot on.
Wilner only reported when it was hours from happening.
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Letterman [290]
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correct***
Aug 5, 2023, 2:38 PM
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I've followed this guy some as well... makes me think he
Aug 5, 2023, 2:49 PM
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knows what he's talking about with FSU. FSU has probably told the B1G they are going to write a check. B1G says "great, we'll talk after you do".
Question is... do they want to be out for the 2024 season or 2025 season.
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Re: I've followed this guy some as well... makes me think he
Aug 5, 2023, 3:17 PM
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I think that is an interesting take.
I keep focusing on the money and who pays. If both Clemson and FSU pay up and get out. That is 200 million to the conference satisfying the agreement. This might give ESPN the ability though to get out of the ACC deal, dumping those costs because the 2 biggest football draws are no longer part of the conference. Ie not the same product. Also dumping 10 schools at 30 mil a year allows you to keep 4 schools at $50 way easier. You come out better on the cost side. Leaner but definitely solid. Which ESPN needs. There Could be even a signing bonus to make up the dollars that FSU Clemson pay out to make up the difference.
But I figure people would want a letter of intent. Not sure that is ok. Might be considered collusion.
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ACC will want what both Clem/FSU are worth too... I think it
Aug 5, 2023, 3:30 PM
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will be closer to $500 million per school.
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Re: ACC will want what both Clem/FSU are worth too... I think it
Aug 5, 2023, 3:41 PM
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Why $500 mil. To be honest I have very little understanding of the current deal. Just some rough number of what each school gets. But my understanding is that if we pay the buyout, we get out and get back our media rights. Is that not correct? That is $100. Now granted Clemson and FSU rights are obviously worth more. But if that is argued, then the counter argument is that we should be getting 5 times more the money from the conference. Seems that would be a slippery argument for the conference to make. At least with respect to the other schools.
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I guess it depends on what is in the contract... we may get
Aug 5, 2023, 3:50 PM
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media rights back.. but we are still breaking a contract. The conference will want the value of what they are losing... is my guess.
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that was Jon Wilner***
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Aug 5, 2023, 3:30 PM
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Really good listen. Thanks for sharing.
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Aug 5, 2023, 3:16 PM
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My worry for Clemson is whether or not we have the money to write the check. I find it fascinating that there is talk that the ACC might not accept FSU’s check. To me that would definitely open up some legal avenues for FSU and allow the GOR to be challenged in court. Only problem with that would be how long would it take to get into court? 2-5 years would be my thinking.
I am still dumbfounded how the leadership that represented FSU and Clemson, among others, ever agreed to the GOR and length of TV contract to begin with. Makes zero sense.
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Re: Good listen here on FSU/Clem... I believe this guy was the
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Aug 5, 2023, 3:27 PM
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Who says the ACC will sell them back their rights? To buy something back it has to be for sale.
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Re: Good listen here on FSU/Clem... I believe this guy was the
Aug 5, 2023, 3:27 PM
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Who says the ACC will sell them back their rights? To buy something back it has to be for sale.
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Re: Good listen here on FSU/Clem... I believe this guy was the
Aug 5, 2023, 3:49 PM
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Is the 100 million not the predetermined buyout/ get your media rights back?
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I think you’re mistaken. The $120 million is to get out of the ACC.
Aug 5, 2023, 4:31 PM
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The media rights are owned by ESPN, which is completely separate from the ACC buyout.
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Re: I think you’re mistaken. The $120 million is to get out of the ACC.
Aug 5, 2023, 4:46 PM
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The media rights are owned by the ACC not ESPN. ESPN simply has a contract with the ACC for broadcasting and production.
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Well because of the media rights contract, wouldn’t you say that ESPN
Aug 5, 2023, 5:00 PM
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effectively owns them until 2036? The ACC can’t determine what to do with the media rights as ESPN has control until that out year; well unless we start talking about breaches of contract and everyone suing everyone else and their moms.
Edit: Anyway, just trying to explain that the ACC buyout is separate from the media rights deal.
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Re: Well because of the media rights contract, wouldn’t you say that ESPN
Aug 5, 2023, 5:10 PM
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I get what you’re saying but it doesn’t quite work that way. If ESPN owned the media rights of Clemson they could simply have Clemson pay their exit fee to the ACC and have them join the SEC and rebrand the games. But they can’t do that. The GOR states that each member grants to the ACC production, distribution and copyright of all media until 2036. ESPN is simply the medium they contracted with. So technically if Clemson or FSU or any ACC team paid their exit fee and joined the SEC or B1G ESPN would retain the right to produce and broadcast their home games and the ACC would be obligated to let them but it would remain branded as ACC content and the ACC would own the copyright and distribution rights to that content perpetually with no money flowing to those schools from the ACC (since they left) nor their new conference (since the new conferences TV deal can’t include that branding)
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Re: Well because of the media rights contract, wouldn’t you say that ESPN
Aug 5, 2023, 5:47 PM
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While I don’t disagree with anything you said; overall I think it’s just semantics. ESPN owns us along with the ACC as both need to let us out of contracts (even if indirectly).
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Re: Well because of the media rights contract, wouldn’t you say that ESPN
Aug 5, 2023, 8:38 PM
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ESPN wouldn’t have to let Clemson out of any contract as ESPN has no contract directly with Clemson. If Clemson manages the sever the ACC tie the. We are free to go wherever we choose with rights intact. ESPN has no say so whatsoever.
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Well that’s why I said “indirectly”
Aug 5, 2023, 9:05 PM
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Even if Clemson buys out of the ACC, ESPN has to let the ACC out of the media rights contract (which then lets Clemson do whatever we want to do).
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Re: Well that’s why I said “indirectly”
Aug 5, 2023, 9:16 PM
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That is not true. ESPN does not have to let the acc out of its contract for Clemson to bolt. That’s between the ACC and ESPN to renegotiate. That contract would still stand just as it did when Maryland left.
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I’m not sure why we’re arguing right now…
Aug 5, 2023, 9:20 PM
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Clemson needs both the ACC and ESPN to get out of the ACC and gain full control of our media rights (prior to 2036).
Edit: Do you really think Clemson can negotiate a buyout with the ACC (to gain back the media rights too) without the ACC first figuring out what they may owe ESPN for potentially breaching the terms of their contract?
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Re: I’m not sure why we’re arguing right now…
Aug 5, 2023, 11:31 PM
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Oh I don’t think the ACC would ever negotiate a settlement to allow any school out of it. It would nullify it all together. I mean if Clemson finds a way to sever it aka litigate it. ESPN would have no say in it what so ever if Clemson were to find a way to sever the tie to the GOR. The GOR and the deal between ESPN and the ACC are two different agreements all together.
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Re: Well because of the media rights contract, wouldn’t you say that ESPN
Aug 6, 2023, 9:15 AM
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That is the best most concise description of our situation.
Thank you. Somehow I believed the GoR was no more than being a member of the ACC. I believe most Tnetters and fans were deceived thinking that leaving the ACC would negate the GoR contract.
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Re: I think you’re mistaken. The $120 million is to get out of the ACC.
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That’s interesting, I thought we granted our media rights to the conference. The conference sold the ACCs media rights to ESPN. Granted the ACCs rights include Clemson’s. That said, if we are no longer part of the conference, then the ACC would not have our media rights anymore. That would have to be addressed between the conference and ESPN.
Clemson would have satisfied its contractual obligation. ESPN could sue the ACC for breach. That’s my premise for how they break their ACC deal. Assuming the ACV wants to streamline and start selectively looking at what content they want to pay for.
I do think your argument has merit. I have argued that the senario for 8 schools to vote to disband would still allow for a suit to be filed against Clemson because to me that would be collusion between those schools to thwart a contract. and ESPN would have grounds because the conference is the schools.
But instead of just disbanding, the schools pay the buyout, and that money should be available to settle a suit, or the league goes into bankruptcy. It Is also available to pay for any suit a remaining ACC school/s want to file.
It’s interesting how to look at it because either way, to me, there is collision. If Clemson worked out a letter of intent with the SEC, the SEC would have to be assured ESPN would pay additional funds. That’s Clemson colluding to get out of an agreement . But at least there is a predetermined amount for that, and to me appears to be clean.
it’s fun to discuss. It better than going outside and doing yard work, which I have effectively ignored doing today.
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Oculus Spirit [93693]
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I worked my butt off Saturday.
Aug 6, 2023, 9:11 AM
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I tried to catch up here this morning. I was impressed by your speculation and appreciate your opinion you lazy rascal.
I tore out and build a set of steps at my back door. The old steps were deteriorating (starting to rot) I decided why replace steps, which have 7 1/2" risers with a longer model which have 4 3/16" risers. Even a 71 yr old like me can take them two at a time.
I worked about six hours in the Sun and never remember being more exhausted.
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That would make Clemson/FSU an expensive buy for B1G.
Aug 6, 2023, 9:02 AM
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It would be much less for the SEC which has been between the sheets with ESPiN for decades.
I'm delighted. I didn't want Clemson to sell it's soul to he B1G. ESPiN already paid for it. 
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I made it ~30 minutes on mute and FFing through the...
Aug 6, 2023, 8:57 AM
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reading since I can read a bit faster than he talks. I abandoned the video when he proposed that leftovers from another dying conference could save the ACC.
Imo, that's like taking on more cargo when your ship is sinking.
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