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Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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Somebody had a lot more time than me on this. I dont know who this guy is, but he caught a follow! The complete Top 25 with portal starters. Again, if we dont start using the portal successfully, we will get burned. Imagine if we had a decent FG kicker, 2 good OL, a boundary WR, and some depth at LB. Imagine if we would have gotten a portal qb last year when it was apparent DJ was awful? If we had spencer f'n rattler, we probably would have been a playoff team last year and undefeated this year. We also would have seen fat dave cry over us getting a portal qb over his son. We dont even have to use it as much as other teams since our staff is elite at recruiting out of high school, and we get great fits. It is wild to me that so many on this board think our current strategy is sustainable.
https://x.com/themorgantshow/status/1712302018688147645?s=46&t=UQEs4_njT7cRCNgDHjjThQ
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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Oct 12, 2023, 12:40 AM
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we got who we got.... R. Herring and G. Riley have stated as much for us. We are a developmental program per Dabo. So....... we go from there....
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Why did we lose two games this year and would transfer starters have changed it?
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Oct 12, 2023, 8:50 AM
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Re: Why did we lose two games this year and would transfer starters have changed it?
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Oct 12, 2023, 9:18 AM
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You’re delusional if you think a starter level transfer would not have helped in any way
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Re: Why did we lose two games this year and would transfer starters have changed it?
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Oct 12, 2023, 9:38 AM
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Dabo has repeatedly said that Clemson looks to the portal for select players that can help out immediately as a starter or high quality depth foe key positions.
We have no interest in going to the portal for bench players to be developmental depth. We are also not interested in portal players who don’t fit our culture.
We have gone after those select star quality portal players that we believe will fit our culture, but have not been getting them.
ALSO, I believe that Dabo has said we won’t break the rules by tampering with players who are on other teams but who have not yet declared for the portal. As Mack Brown at UNC has said, other (Un-named) teams had tampered with his players who had not entered the portal. This tampering by other teams included inducement of a big NIL ‘bonus.’
Finally, Clemson won’t boot a developmental player that we had signed out of HS in order to make room for a portal player. That part is a reflection of both Dabo’s moral code and his proving that the Clemson culture is truly family. No one gets kicked out of the family simply because some neighbor’s kid looks like a ‘better boy’ than one that is already in the family.
Given these self-restraints, Clemson has not had luck with any portal players except for bench warmers at key positions where we MUST have additional depth (QB for this year). With ck2 being a runner, he is at risk of tearing up a knee or arm during the season. Thus, we signed Paul Tyson from the portal as depth at QB (to accompany H.Helms) as depth. (We will not burn Vizzina’s RS at mis season. Perhaps if ck2 tore up his knee against Duke, we would have burned Vizzina’s RS to let him learn via the ‘trial by fire.’)
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I get it
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Oct 12, 2023, 5:54 PM
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But when the loyalty to his recruits isn’t reciprocated, what then?
This is the major issue. And don’t tell me transferred players couldn’t help us. That’s simply not true.
You can’t say that and in the next breath say we are a developmental program.
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Re: I get it
Oct 12, 2023, 11:58 PM
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Id wager Clemson has one of the lowest attrition via portal rates out there. Usually 2-3 guys that are 3rd on the depth chart leave.
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Re: I get it
Oct 13, 2023, 10:27 AM
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we've lost 23 to the portal the last 2 years
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and replaced them with freshman....
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Oct 14, 2023, 11:40 PM
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..what could go wrong?
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Re: Why did we lose two games this year and would transfer starters have changed it?
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Oct 16, 2023, 9:52 AM
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If we can attract 5 star recruits, why can we not attract a transfer capable of starting to Clemson? The graphic was of the top 25, which we are not a part of at the moment, and the number of starters that are transfers and true freshmen. Georgia and OSU have 2 starters, ND has 3 and the average is 7.24, yet since the portal we have had 2 token transfers and none that start.
Most people here do not think that the team should be built on the portal, but you can be a developmental program and still bring in talent from the portal. It appears to me that Dabo is cutting his nose of to spite his face.
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Lol. Youre lost and desperate .
Oct 13, 2023, 9:59 AM
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Such a child.
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Re: Why did we lose two games this year and would transfer starters have changed it?
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:09 AM
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What kicker in the portal pre-season should we have gone after?
Whose scholarship should we have given him?
Why would we have gone after a kicker pre-season - what evidence was there that Gunn would have a mental block?
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don't think kicker works for this argument, but you can.....
Oct 12, 2023, 5:26 PM
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go back the last 3 years and seen better WRs in the portal than the $#!t$#0w our current WRs have shown us the last 3 years. There have been PLENTY of opportunities to utilize PRIOR to this year so the "with what schollie?" argument is a lame small picture excuse, but to Dabo.....every position on our team is "ELITE" and "BEST IN THE COUNTRY" therefore in their delusional minds our WR corps can't be improved when it's #1 in their mind.
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Re: don't think kicker works for this argument, but you can.....
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Oct 13, 2023, 10:06 AM
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pheeboI believe it’s time to find you another team. You do not sound happy with the way things are going to be done under Dabo.
If you think Dabo is going to cutout sub par players that are doing what is asked of them in the classroom and in practice to pay for someone out of the portal you are delusional. I’m fairly certain he is not going to under recruit to save schollies for guys looking for a pay day. Fact is we don’t recruit players that are hitting the portal and imo that says a lot about the program.
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#1 nobody said to cut subpar players.....#2.....
Oct 13, 2023, 2:50 PM
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you say "we don’t recruit players that are hitting the portal and imo that says a lot about the program"
??????......Surely you don't mean that???
the last 5 years we've lost 33%-42% of players that DABO RECRUITED TO DEVELOP to the PORTAL.......so don't spew the nonsense that we're some holier than thou Program where everyone comes and nobody leaves for the portal......you're delusional if you think so. Go look at the numbers.
you take a few of the voided schollies from our transfers OUT of the program and earmark them to the portal.......no cutting players.......SIMPLE.....you people have ZERO clue how it works.
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Re: don't think kicker works for this argument, but you can.....
Oct 16, 2023, 10:03 AM
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And why wouldn't we underrecruit to save scholarships for portal players? Most are not looking for a payday, but playing time. Two years ago we were bringing in 2 stars left and right to fill our scholarships. It would have made a lot more sense to stand pat on the recruits that we had and use them for the portal. In my opinion this is not about culture or even loyalty. This is about pride and Dabo not being willing to admit that his previous thoughts about the portal put Clemson at a competitive disadvantage against the rest of college football.
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Re: Why did we lose two games this year and would transfer starters have changed it?
Oct 16, 2023, 9:59 AM
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Lol no it's not. You could say the WR situation, or the OL situation, are an indictment of our portal use. But you cannot say that a bit about kicker, that's ridiculous.
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So instead of signing highly regarded PK, we should have signed a portal kicker?
Oct 14, 2023, 10:53 AM
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You gunsight fellas are funny.
Keon Coleman in orange wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the game. That’s just a wild imagination running away with you.
We lost the game due to a fumble six and a missed kick. Not because of magic portal players.
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Re: So instead of signing highly regarded PK, we should have signed a portal kicker?
Oct 14, 2023, 4:33 PM
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I never said changed the outcome of the game. I said Keon Coleman would have helped Clemson football, because he's objectively better than who we have now. That's no an opinion. He's a first round draftpick. That's like quite literally the first transfer guy that popped in my head. This idea that there wasn't anyone out there better than what we had is hilarious.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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Oct 12, 2023, 6:42 AM
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So the only conclusion is if we would just replace one of our regular starters with a guy who transferred from somewhere else…
No matter who he is…
We just need a number other than zero in that little column…
Then we could belong in the top 25 right now.
Man, if only we had a head coach who’s as smart as Twitter people.
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Come on man, that's disingenuous and you know it***
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Nice word, and nice rebuttal.
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Oct 12, 2023, 9:07 AM
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Do you have anything else to say?
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Sometimes its better to not say anything than to give a response as stupid as yours was***
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Please explain.
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:10 AM
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Or can you??
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Your stupid response made you appear more stupid...HTH***
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Oct 12, 2023, 7:29 PM
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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You can’t look around at any group of 5 program and not find a single useful player? You think every starter on our team is the absolute best available. Not one of those kids that transferred could replace a receiver, no linemen, no corner backs, no safeties, not a single kicker out there that we could convince to transfer from some MAC or sun belt team to come be an immediate impact.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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You can’t look around at any group of 5 program and not find a single useful player? You think every starter on our team is the absolute best available. Not one of those kids that transferred could replace a receiver, no linemen, no corner backs, no safeties, not a single kicker out there that we could convince to transfer from some MAC or sun belt team to come be an immediate impact.
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110%er [9758]
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Okay.
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1. Give me one specific player from another school who should be a starter on our team right now.
2. Who should he have replaced?
3. And what would he have demanded in order to come to Clemson.
Since you and many others on here seem to have all the solutions, I expect to receive some answers to this.
I want all 3 items answered.
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Hmmmm
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Oct 12, 2023, 9:45 AM
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Anyone???
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Answer my 3 items.
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:20 AM
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Since you know so much.
Pick out one guy for me (or more if you want to) and answer all 3.
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Re: Answer my 3 items.
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:22 AM
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I think my point has been made.
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LOL
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:24 AM
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You can’t do it.
That’s one of the many reasons why you don’t run the football program.
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110%er [6140]
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do you actually think Clemson doesn't have the ability to
Oct 13, 2023, 10:37 AM
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bring in a top transfer? That's what you are implying. The real issue is that Dabo doesn't want to bring anyone in through the portal. And bringing in 2 3rd/4th string QBs doesn't count as using the portal.
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Also
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:22 AM
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I opened the links you provided, and they are from 2022.
Let’s do 2023, please.
Since it’s 2023 and all.
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Re: Also
Oct 12, 2023, 10:23 AM
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its very easy to swap the dates but 22 transfers would be on campus now.
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Apparently not that easy for you.***
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Re: Apparently not that easy for you.***
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worlds least annoying basement dwelling internet troll
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Look what this has come to.
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You thought you had a point.
I asked for specifics that you cannot provide.
And you have very quickly spiraled all the way down to nonsensical name calling.
Thoughts and prayers
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Re: Look what this has come to.
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i literally gave you links to a website with incredibly detailed information of both NIL, composite ratings and any other info you could possibly want. I'm not sure how much more spoon fed you can get
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Yet you are incapable of answering my question.
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You can’t name one guy we should be pursuing right now, and answer the 3 items I listed.
Why not?
You posted links of guys who transferred last year.
What good does that do.
Do you want a freaking time machine?
Let’s pretend you have Dan Pearman’s job.
You want to recommend to Dabo that we try to get a guy.
Go for it.
What you got?
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You still cannot answer my questions.***
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Re: you think not one dude on these lists
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Being better than the bottom half of our receivers won't solve the problem. We need a receiver who is better than anyone on our team, and we need 2 or 3 of them.
Nobody knew Gunn would get the yips. That's just 20/20 hindsight.
Dabo did go after a portal lineman. I think the guy was at Virginia, and turned us down to go to Michigan.
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Re: you think not one dude on these lists
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At worst we would add a number 5 receiver, at best we could get a true over the top threat. theres no downside to taking a scholarship from cole turner, swinneys 12th son, some kid named hamp earle, brannon spectre etc etc
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Re: Okay.
Oct 12, 2023, 6:34 PM
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Take any 3 on the list; yank the ships from Tyson, long snapper, & holder and hand them to three portals-
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Re: Okay.
Oct 13, 2023, 9:43 AM
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Swinney is not on scholarship
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Re: Okay.
Oct 14, 2023, 4:55 AM
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Keon Coleman, ANY WR we have, and doesn't matter.
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Re: Okay.
Oct 16, 2023, 10:14 AM
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OK I'll play.
1) Coleman that FSU got from Michigan State.
2) Any of our WR's, just pick one.
3) Whatever it would have been, it would have been worth it.
Maybe Coleman wouldn't have come here, but the point is we actually have a position of portal coordinator and anyone on this board could do the job better and that includes you with your head in the sand. There are players out there and Clemson could find some if they wanted to try. Every other program does not suddenly become a better location than Clemson when you graduate high school.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
Oct 14, 2023, 4:40 PM
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That's quite literally not what anyone is saying at all. It's showing how football works today, that every team, regardless of recruiting, has needs or can get better at certain positions. Even experience. No team, including Bama, Georgia, or OSU have a perfect team. It's really dumb to compete in recruiting with everyone you play but not in transfers. This isn't a one or two type of deal. It's a fundamental change to building teams, and I really prefer high school recruiting over this but it's one of many reasons we aren't elite anymore. The reason Tyler Brown, who most people didn't really even know about, is instantly the best reciever we have and it's noticeable to everyone, is precisely because they didn't realize how Mediocre our starters were. If you think these guys are elite you're insane. Antonio Williams is a #3, maybe #2 guy, Beau is a #3, Cole Turner is a #3, Adam Randall wouldn't start for Furman based on his effort and actual production. He could model uniforms, but thats it.
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he's a regular WCCP co-host during the week......
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I get him and Faxon mixed up, but both make regular appearances on one-few of the programs throughout the week.
I know he co-hosts with Mickey for sure.
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Re: he's a regular WCCP co-host during the week......
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We need to recruit receivers who can stand on the line of scrimmage , receive a lateral pass, drop it, or stand there until tackled by one of the three guys waiting for him to catch it. Players with those talents are hard to find, but we can sure get them.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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You need a control group of teams outside the top 25 to make the argument that transfer starters correlates with being in the top 25.
Based on this data, it suggests that fewer transfer starters is associated with a higher ranking given you are in the top 25.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
Oct 12, 2023, 9:24 AM
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Or maybe those top teams are better at development, evaluation, and recruiting.
We recruit well but obviously we are either under developing or just have a string of under performers
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Player development here is definitely an issue.
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That makes the portal even more imperative for us, as we would be getting players who have already received good coaching and development, and could step in and contribute immediately.
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Keller is right: we have developed a player to the NBA.
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In almost a decade.
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It's a shame more people don't see through her BS trolling.
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What would she know about 'development' from football coaches when she's been pumping Brown L on us for all these years and he's done near to nothing in this area? He loses so many of his HS recruits with transfers on a regular basis that the only way he can field a full roster is by recruiting transfers to replace those he failed, and still can't win anything of relevance.
That anyone affords this Clemson hating troll an ounce of credibility is beyond me.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
Oct 12, 2023, 11:57 AM
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Maybe. But that argument is biased based on this data since you do not know the breakdown of starters by class year and a measure of their development by team.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
Oct 12, 2023, 9:24 AM
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Or maybe those top teams are better at development, evaluation, and recruiting.
We recruit well but obviously we are either under developing or just have a string of under performers
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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Interesting to look at the numbers. I look at the teams who I feel recruit as well as we usually do and they have plugged in lower single digit starters from the portal, I feel like Dabo did try that last year, unsuccessfully with aiming for a couple tranfer players, we just didn't get them. I am not against the portal, but Dabo has always said they have to fit system and character of the team. If we are selective with our offers to HS players, we must also see that the portal portion would also be selective and smaller than most of these teams.
Technically we have gotten two QBs in the last two years from the portal in Hunter Johnson and Paul Tyson, both were 5 star and 4 stars respectively.
I think the one on the list that really stood out was LSU. What a revolving door they must have and to be as bad as a team that they are. They recruit better usually than we do, yet so many players from the portal.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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Also both qb's accepted a transfer spot knowing they were going to sit on the bench. That is much different than the current landscape
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You can keep Rattler!***
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Re: You can keep Rattler!***
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I hear what you're saying and understand but Spencer is a good kid. Wouldn't bother me one bit to have him on our team.
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You clearly have not observed him very much.***
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What the OP really misses in his brown-L fueled dementia
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is, first, just how many Head Coaches have only been at their schools for 3 years or less.
Oregon
Oklahoma
USC
etc. etc.
Virtually all the double digits are new HC’s.
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Re: What the OP really misses in his brown-L fueled dementia
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Why are you so obsessed with brownell? It's embarrassing
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Not embarrassing to me at all; embarrassing to you?
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I have shown exactly why I think the guy can’t Coach, exactly when his tenure should have stopped. Wrote an 11-part “series” on it right here that people had every opportunity to pick apart, not that anyone actually tried. TL R was all anyone could say, lol.
And Not that proof doesn’t just lie around virtually anywhere at all times anyway…
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Either recruit the portal or get left behind
Oct 12, 2023, 8:27 AM
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Right now, we're getting left behind.
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LOL***
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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You can imagine anything you want to but just because a school has a need it does not mean a Portal guy wants to play there. Are you naive enough to believe that any school ever gets every recruit they want? Can you name a school that has 85 players that were 5 star recruits? Wants, needs and results are 3 completely things.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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Negative. I do not believe that we can get every single recruit we go after. We are still top 10 in recruiting high school players year innand year out. It's silly to believe that we simply cant recruit portal players competitively when literally every other team is doing it.
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Of course we can't get every player we want
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but recruiting rankings show that we get most of the ones we want. If we didn't, we wouldn't have among the highest rated recruiting classes in the country each year.
Bottom line, our coaching staff devotes little attention to the transfer portal. Their hearts aren't in it. How do I know that? Two reasons:
1. Dabo has gone out of his way to publicly express his views on the portal, including ridiculous statements like "my transfer portal is right there in that locker room."
2. Dabo is an outstanding recruiter. He has been able to get generational talent to Clemson, guys like Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, and Sammy Watkins. If he wanted to get highly regarded players for the transfer portal, he would. Many of those guys would love to play at Clemson. They know they would get amazing facilities and support while at Clemson, and also be positioned to have an opportunity to pursue professional football.
People using lame examples of Dabo "using the portal," like getting backup QBs who will never play or offering a lineman from Virginia, are desperate attempts to make this idiocy more acceptable.
As Clemson mountaineers® said in his OP, and has been stated here multiple times, if Clemson wants to return to elite status we have to use the portal. That means actually using it to address needs and bring in players who will get meaningful playing time.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
Oct 12, 2023, 8:48 AM
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The ONLY rational conclusion to be drawn here is that of the current Top 20 teams, ALL are using the portal. Some more, some less. But having plugged this into a spreadsheet, there appears to be no correlation between the number of transfers and wins.
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Another correlation is that our performance has declined
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Oct 12, 2023, 9:32 AM
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considerably since the transfer portal went live a few years ago.
We went from elite program and playoff fixture to outside the top 10.
Thud.
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Re: Another correlation is that our performance has declined
Oct 12, 2023, 9:55 AM
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I would counter by saying it has less to do with the portal than it does about lack of elite talent at the WR and RB positions.
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I agree, our poor player development in recent years
Oct 12, 2023, 12:03 PM
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is a much bigger issue, and is the main reason why we've seen our football program decline.
But I do think effective use of the transfer portal could've masked some of those coaching issues and helped us win some of these games we've lost.
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Re: Here you have it folks. - Freshman starters are rare.
Oct 12, 2023, 8:49 AM
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You will always have more transfer starters, except for Clemson. I think his premise is flawed.
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Re: Here you have it folks. - Freshman starters are rare.
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You cannot build a Super Bowl winning team without the use of free agency. If you try to build a team only from the draft you will fail. Unfortunately, the same may now apply to college football.
Could a team like Clemson be good enough to win only through recruiting? Maybe, but it would take Trevor Lawrence at QB to do it, and you would have to hit on all the recruits at skill positions.
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92% of the top 25 teams listed have not...
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won a national championship since the portal's inception. 2 of the 3 that have, are among those who use it the least, and one of them uses true freshman more than any other. The one team listed that has above average portal numbers, and also won a national championship, was put on probation for rules violations and fired their coach. We are a missed field goal or failed scoop and score away from being on that list. If we were top 25 everyone would be praising Dabo. These are the conclusions you could just as easily draw from that data.
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I think their obsession is with the prefix...
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"trans."
I believe they will see one this season. Cade will master the option read and learn how to not stare down his primary receiver and they will see Clemson's 'transition,' from a fumble bunny to a top ten quality team. It's unlikely we'll be ranked in the top ten but a lot of people will know that next year Clemson will be a fear worthy opponent.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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This spreadsheet means absolutely nothing. You would need to compare this to non-ranked teams, in order, to determine if there is any actual correlation.
In fact, you could look at this and conclude "2 of the top 3 teams in the country only have 2 transfer starters, the fewest number of any team in the top 25. Therefore, it is evident that a higher number of transfer starters is detrimental to a team."
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#math***
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If you have double digit
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Transfers as starters you probably need to reassess your recruiting. Because if you can’t find half of your starters through recruiting you either suck at sales or suck at evaluation or development or all 3
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
Oct 12, 2023, 9:36 AM
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I don't know why would need to use the portal when we have guys like Adam Randall and Cole Turner. Does anyone really believe that there was a better WR in the portal than them?
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That tells me we are probably the top ranked team...
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to not have starters from the portal. Maybe we can get a National Championship trophy for that.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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Not to mince words, but there is a correlation in the data presented. But there is no causality. You cannot say one column has caused the other. Unfortunately this is how public opinion is formed these days. Several statements together, which are true, presented and we are to mentally connect the dots to think one has caused the other. The theory weakens when you see that most of the teams listed were already in the top-25. It completely falls apart when you look at Colorado. Based on the supposition, Colorado should be number one for completely flipping their roster.
On the other side, there is no causality that having freshman starters keeps you out of the top-25. Cade is a sophomore. He has made some freshman mistakes. But he would be excluded from the list because he is not a freshman. A player making a great play, a pick-6 for example, would not be included in this "survey" if they were not a transfer or a freshman.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
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Interesting that Louisville, their top rated index is a virtual wash in transfers in and out. Mainly
3-star. So.....what does that mean? I don't know. What I was posting was not a theory. It was the difference between a correlation and causality.
I can set my alarm clock every day to ring at sunrise. I can say there is a correlation between my alarm ringing and the sun coming up. However, my clock did not make the sun rise, nor the sunrise cause my alarm to go off.
So teams have in fluctuating numbers of transfers in and out. In the link provided I don't know how the "average P rating" was determined. Yes, Louisville and Colorado have better records this year than last. And since Colorado went to such great lengths with the portal, it would be easy to say "yes, the portal impacted them positively". I also noticed that the numbers of 3-stars leaving programs exceeded those entering. What does that mean? They replaced the right guys?
I am not discounting the use of the transfer portal. If a program has a need to fill and there's a guy out there to fill it, then by all means.
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What perennial top 25 team is missing from the top 25?
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What team does not the use the portal?
If our HS recruiting isn’t keeping up with the other teams who recruit both HS and portal, what are we missing?
Its like playing with one hand tied behind our back.
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The portal has NOTHING to do with our two losses
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Why do some of you keep acting like we’ve ever lost a game due to not having transfers?
The DJ era was DJ just want very good and it cost our team wi s.
The Cade era has been u forced errors. Period.
No correlation to the portal AT ALL.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
Oct 12, 2023, 11:25 PM
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go find his Top 25 Wide Receivers in the portal analysis, pretty eye opening as well.
Morgan does great analysis.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
Oct 13, 2023, 9:54 AM
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I have a much simpler way to recruit the portal.
Georgia, Bama, and Ohio State recruit way more talent at OL, RB, ATH, etc. than they can ever use.
Let's just get a plant to go drop some leaflets around campus that say, "Not getting enough playing time? Have you considered Dear Old Clemson?" and be done.
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
Oct 13, 2023, 3:03 PM
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there’s one flaw in your plan
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Re: Here you have it folks. Transfer portal follow up....
Oct 16, 2023, 9:26 AM
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Use it, don't use it, whatever. All I care about are the results on the field. We clearly are losing momentum in our conference as other programs are catching up or surpassing us. I don't care how you do it, just get it fixed and keep us from falling from elite status within our own conference.
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