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'Well done gramps
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Dec 12, 2023, 8:23 AM
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Russian state media thrilled with McConnell and GOP de-funding Ukraine.
Supporting Ukraine financially has been one of the smartest safest effective military initiatives ever deployed by America.
I assume the de-funding is theatrics by GOP and they will soon agree to funding Ukraine.
We just need some GOP legislators with a few, not too many, brain cells.
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Build the wall first!***
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Re: Build the wall first!***
Dec 12, 2023, 9:26 AM
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The worthless wall that has proven to be a finacial waste? Lol
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another complete moron
Dec 12, 2023, 1:20 PM
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"walls don't work"
No cred whatsoever.
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LOL @ "de-funding". "funding" is now the norm?
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Dec 12, 2023, 8:35 AM
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Did the DNC send out the new buzzword this morning?
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Re: 'Well done gramps
Dec 12, 2023, 8:51 AM
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If there's one thing you can count on DC Republicans doing its making a big fuss about an issue and then immediately caving soon thereafter.
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All-TigerNet [12332]
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Oh for FFS...
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Dec 12, 2023, 9:21 AM
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This idea that we must fund Ukraine to re-establish their borders from a foreign invasion while ignoring our very own foreign invasion along the US Southern Border is political theater at it's best. And I'm being kind by allowing Democrats the "political theater" description...
I've been very clear in my support of funding Ukraine - even willing to sacrifice 10% of our annual military budget to do it:
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/welp...-for-what-we-got-out-of-the-20-years,-$8-trillion-and-thousands-of-34037185#34037185
But Ukraine support must be secondary to our own border security. To subscribe to this Democratic talking point that it is somehow "criminal" or "supporting Putin" to fund our own Southern border security FIRST gives credence to why so many have a valid argument that the Democratic Party always puts America last.
So NO... funding Ukraine should and MUST be linked to funding and putting real teeth in our own Southern border security. If you are too simple-minded or intellectually dishonest to understand why that must be the case then perhaps you need to study what is actually going on at our Southern border from sources other than MSNBC...
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Lol, the foreign invasion at the southern border***
Dec 12, 2023, 9:27 AM
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Lol... believes everything is "OK" at the Southern Border...***
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Call me crazy
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Dec 12, 2023, 9:45 AM
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But I think real immigration reform involves passing something similar to title 42, closing asylum loopholes, increasing legal immigration, etc. and notably not tanks or bombs.
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All-TigerNet [13383]
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The "loopholes" were created by Biden
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Dec 12, 2023, 10:10 AM
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"The proposal is a part of the package of reforms the Biden administration announced on January 5, 2023 to prepare for the end of its use of Title 42. The Biden administration’s new regulation creates a “rebuttable presumption of asylum ineligibility” for aliens who either fail to enroll in one of the Biden administration’s new parole programs or use the CBP One app to schedule their arrival in the United States after traveling through a country (other than their country of origin) en route to the United States in which they could have applied for asylum.
This type of deterrence policy was originally implemented by the Trump administration in 2019, but ultimately vacated by a federal court. The Trump rule, referred to as the “third-country transit rule”, barred aliens from asylum eligibility if they transited through a third-country (a country other than their home country and the United States) without first seeking protection there.1
There are two important differences between the Trump-era regulation and the Biden administration’s new proposed rule I want to highlight. First, the Trump-era regulation barred aliens from receiving asylum if they did not fall under an exception to the rule (see end note 1). The Biden proposal, on the other hand, imposes a “rebuttable presumption” against eligibility. This means that aliens who make a credible fear claim could present evidence to overcome this presumption, thus giving asylum officers more issues to analyze in already long credible fear interviews.
Second, unlike the Trump-era third-country transit rule, the Biden administration’s proposed rule does not require aliens to submit an application for protection in a country they have transited through en route to the United States. The Biden administration will allow an alien to circumvent the presumption against eligibility so long as they merely “pursue a lawful pathway”, i.e., schedule their unlawful arrival using DHS's new CBP One app and enter via an issuance of parole. The rule, however, allows an alien to circumvent this requirement (and the rule’s presumption against eligibility for asylum) if the alien can show that they faced a language or technical barrier that posed a “serious obstacle” in operating the mobile phone app.
The proposal also includes several wide exceptions that threaten to swallow the whole rule. First, an alien can circumvent this rule if they can demonstrate to an asylum officer or immigration judge that they (or an accompanying family member) faced an acute medical emergency; faced an imminent or extreme threat to life or safety (such as a threat of rape, kidnapping, torture, or murder); or fall under the definition of a “victim of a severe form of trafficking in persons”.
Second, and this is important: The regulation includes a carve-out for family units who are able to establish eligibility for withholding of removal under section 241(b)(3) (covering persecution claims) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) or 8 C.F.R. § 1208.16(c)(2) (covering torture claims). This exception may arguably be large enough to defeat the rule’s entire deterrence purpose as it applies to adults who bring children to the United States illegally in order to increase their chance of release into the United States. If the Biden administration sincerely wants to deter the smuggling of children into the United States, this is not the way to do it."
i.e. stop blaming the law, blame the law's enforcement.
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Ooooops
Dec 12, 2023, 10:42 AM
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"Title 42 is not an immigration authority, and the order has been used to supersede federal law at the border ‒ which is under Title 8 of the U.S. Code ‒ and abrogate legal rights that have been guaranteed to arriving migrants for decades,"
I'll continue to blame the law.
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PS.... it's gonna take more than just closing loopholes to stop the illegal flow
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Dec 12, 2023, 11:51 AM
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Physical security of the border is required, serious lawful repercussions for those American organizations encouraging and abetting the illegal immigration in Mexico and throughout South America, as well as bare knuckles a "come to the light" diplomacy with Mexico as well.
PS part 2.... Not all invasions involve armies, tanks and bombs. Massive illegal and uncontrolled immigration is just that - a foreign invasion by infiltration.
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Real reform is getting Biden out of office
Dec 12, 2023, 1:21 PM
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and all his appointees fired so laws can be enforced again.
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Re: Real reform is getting Biden out of office
Dec 12, 2023, 1:38 PM
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What laws are not being enforced?
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Hall of Famer [24626]
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^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 2:25 PM
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Doesn't believe there are any illegal immigrants in the United States.
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 2:36 PM
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What laws are not being enforced? You guys seem to get stumped everytime I ask that question. Would you like to answer it or would you be better off walking away?
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 2:52 PM
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So, you truly don't believe anyone has crossed the border illegally?
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Orange Blooded [4031]
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 2:58 PM
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Happens everyday. A video was posted on here last week with migrants crossing Trumps "impenetrable" border wall (lol) with border agents standing there and arresting them after they crossed while they were claiming asylum. The laws were being followed. You don't like the laws, but instead of asking for congress to do something, you blame Biden and/or Mayorkas.
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 3:00 PM
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So you must believe there are no immigrants living illegally in the US. Is that correct?
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 3:15 PM
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What laws are not being enforced?
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 3:22 PM
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Immigration laws, if there are people living here and crossing illegally. If that is happening, which is, then immigration laws are not being fully enforced.
Do you believe everyone that is coming into this country is coming in at the legal entry points, and all of those that aren't are being arrested? You must.
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 3:27 PM
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This has happened under every POTUS for the last 50 years.
You're narrative that Biden is refusing to enforce immigration laws is circling the drain. If this were the case, then there would be 0 arrests and 0 removals. 😆
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 3:33 PM
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So you've now, at least, confirmed that there are enforcement issues with US immigration. That's a start.
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 3:42 PM
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We have issues with our laws which are not sufficient for the wave that we are currently facing. I will not disagree with that. The enforcement of the laws at our southern border is being carried out as the law says. I've asked you numerous times as to what laws Biden is refusing to enforce. Still waiting. Are you going to answer that, or are going to keep deflecting and spinning in circle? 😆
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 3:54 PM
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No, you previously said 'what laws are not being enforced'. 'Refusing' is a word you just bought into play. He may or may not be 'refusing' to enforce laws, but he certainly seems incapable of enforcing them.
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 4:07 PM
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Using you definition of not enforcing laws, why didn't Trump enforce the border?
#checkmate
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 5:29 PM
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Moving goalposts... you need to stick to checkers.
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 5:45 PM
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I checkmated your narrative. LOL. You walked yourself right into it. Nice try though. 😆
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 12, 2023, 7:13 PM
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You create a lot of fantasy. Thankful those phantoms you debate don't live in my head.
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Re: ^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 13, 2023, 6:07 AM
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You still can't tell us what laws Biden is refusing to enforce. Take the L dude.
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Re: Lol, the foreign invasion at the southern border***
Dec 12, 2023, 11:57 PM
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Have you ever been to a Texas border town?
Take a drive down to El Paso, Del Rio, Eagle Pass, Laredo, McAllen, or a couple that are some distance away like San Antonio or even Houston. If you some extra time go all the way to Los Angeles first and work your way back East through Arizona and New Mexico. When you get back tell us what the Demographics are.
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Re: Oh for FFS...
Dec 12, 2023, 9:28 AM
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Our border security issues are because of our laws. Get congress to change them. The video posted last week with migrants pouring through a breached Trump wall with border patrol standing there proves just that.
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^ dumb or dumber?***
Dec 12, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Re: ^ dumb or dumber?***
Dec 12, 2023, 1:40 PM
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You don't have a counterpoint, do you? Sucks, don't? 😆 😆
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Re: ^ dumb or dumber?***
Dec 12, 2023, 4:02 PM
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Using you definition of not enforcing laws, why didn't Trump enforce the border?
#checkmate
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Hold up.
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Dec 12, 2023, 11:23 AM
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The border is a problem, no doubt, but there shouldn't be a false dichotomy here that the two have to be linked and that we can't do one without the other (or that we can't do both separately). These two problems shouldn't be linked.
We also can't compare the two problems.
As for the "supporting Putin" argument, I'm sorry, but there is a segment of the GOP (the MAGA wing) that does support him. Certainly not all or even most Pubs, but they exist.
We have a segment of America that wants Ukraine to fall to Russia and is too stupid to understand the consequences of that.
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NJDEV literally thinks that Putin is God's tool for building a Christian
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Dec 12, 2023, 11:29 AM
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empire on Earth.
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Re: Hold up.
Dec 12, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Trump likes Putin, so they support Russia.
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Please enligten us as to how the Democrats will otherwise be convinced to
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Dec 12, 2023, 11:59 AM
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do something about our Southern border?? What has worked thus far to get them to address the Southern border disaster?
Heck - their border czar - Alejandro Mayorkas - even refuses to acknowledge there is a problem with his idiotic "the border is secure" garbage. So how do you coerce a Political Party that has shown no inclination to actually secure our Southern border for many years now? How do you get them to take action on an issue that is literally overwhelming State/local governments, introducing huge quantities of unknown elements into the USA, encouraging human trafficking, and resulting in numerous crimes against US citizens including murder?
So no - it is very appropriate, at this time, to link giving Ukraine $100 billion dollars for their nation's security efforts to our very own border security.
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Nah.
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Dec 12, 2023, 12:09 PM
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Gambling with national and international security over a domestic issue that mainly stems for Congress' inability to compromise, seems pretty stupid.
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Re: Please enligten us as to how the Democrats will otherwise be convinced to
Dec 12, 2023, 12:31 PM
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Please enligten us as to how the Democrats will otherwise be convinced to do something about our Southern border?? What has worked thus far to get them to address the Southern border disaster?
I don't think I can nor do I necessarily think they want to fix it. At least, not a real fix. I think they're playing a very long game with politics and elections here.
As I mentioned, it's a problem. It's not a comparable one to Ukraine, and both these problems should--and can--be addressed separately.
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Re: Please enligten us as to how the Democrats will otherwise be convinced to
Dec 12, 2023, 12:34 PM
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What are the Repubs asking for that the Dems won't budge on? I am a little out of the loop at the moment.
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Re: Please enligten us as to how the Democrats will otherwise be convinced to
Dec 12, 2023, 12:36 PM
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Lots of Dem governors and mayors are asking for the federal government to act to stem the flow of illegal immigrants, including this week, Katie Hobbs the Democratic governor of AZ. This is proof that we have a serious problem that needs to be addressed.
It is mindless to continue to accept the status quo. The border is not secure regardless of the robotic protestations to the contrary from Mayorkas.
Using Ukraine as leverage appears to be the only way to force legislation that will begin to secure our border.
Furthermore the US taxpayers deserve to know that our dollars are not being siphoned off in a country known for corruption -Ukraine.
We deserve to know what the end goal is and Europe needs to assume more financial responsibility for a problem in their backyard.
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Re: Oh for FFS...
Dec 12, 2023, 11:46 AM
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We should fund them both. Tight border and funding Ukraine. I haven't followed it closely enough. Where are the two sides disagreeing at the moment?
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The 2 issues are being linked for political purposes only...
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Dec 12, 2023, 12:47 PM
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it's ok to say that...and heck, I don't even have a problem with it. But don't say it's "simple minded" to think the issues are different and not connected. They are different and they aren't directly linked.
What I DO have a problem with is thinking that the border issue is all about spending and not also about admin policy and current law.
I think we should have tighter security at the border and I think we should be supporting Ukraine...so, fine, tie them together...that's what political give-and-take should look like...but don't pretend they're directly linked...they aren't.
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What's simple minded is to say that the GOP is a "Supporting Putin" or even
Dec 12, 2023, 1:24 PM
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inferring it because the GOP is linking Ukraine support to our border security. This is the narrative that is being bandied about in some Democrat circles right now...
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Tucker is getting a show on Russian television.
Dec 12, 2023, 1:31 PM
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So...yeah....
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Do you wonder who blocked him in the US...? Nah, you already know.***
Dec 12, 2023, 2:23 PM
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Re: What's simple minded is to say that the GOP is a "Supporting Putin" or even
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It's simple minded to say that's the GOP official stance or goal.
It's not simple minded to point out some members of the GOP want Putin to win this war because they support him. Because that's true.
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