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I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 7:01 AM
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I’m not sure what you guys were expecting from a first year coach that inherited a dumpster fire.
Baseball coaches have minimal impact on game performance/outcome compared to most any other team sport
Roster management, starting lineups, and pitching changes are the the most important things a baseball coach does.
It’s not like football where a coordinator that’s calling every play can make or break a team.
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 7:10 AM
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The pitching was an issue yes. The offense shouldn’t be. New coach? Yes. New offensive lineup? Not at all. All we lost was Max Wagner. That’s it. The offense should be good and they will be. The pitching will be an issue all year
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 7:54 AM
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Not sure I follow this logic. Wagner was acc POY and the offense was not good last year. Why should they be good this year?
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 8:41 AM
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Yes Wagner was a great player but when you replace him with a senior transfer from Michigan that’s a .300 hitter (which slid Blake Wright to 3B) along with guys like Ingle, Blackwell, Taylor, Corbitt (injured), Grice (expected improvement) stud hitting FR Cam the offense isn’t supposed to be a question mark. This offense will be very good soon. Not to mention you have Chad Fairey who is hitting the ball well. So last year we hit well for avg as a team but struck out way too much and disappeared against the elite pitchers mostly. This is all why the offense should be good this year
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Hope you’re right!
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Mar 6, 2023, 8:54 AM
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I will say I do like our approaches this year much more than what we’ve seen in the recent past.
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Re: Hope you’re right!
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Mar 6, 2023, 9:00 AM
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Absolutely. Striking out 7 times per game. Looking for contact. Of our 80 k’s 2 players are responsible for 29 of them and another 10 so basically 3 players responsible for half our k’s. I won’t name names. This is an improvement though. Now we are stranding runners at a scary rate currently but baseball can be very rude sometimes. If we stick with our contact approach, it will eventually pay off. I can count numerous balls we’ve hit right at infielders or outfielders this season and just been unlucky.
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Re: Hope you’re right!
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Mar 6, 2023, 9:25 AM
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I hope you're right too. Because we seemed to revert back and weren't picking up on pitches at all. Way out the zone swinging.
By the way, ucf got shellacked this weekend by Georgia Southern... who is 7-4. Ucf won Friday but was 19-7 sat and 11-8 Sunday.
Understanding each series is different yada yada, but we should have been able to outscore ucf. Our pitching isn't good, but our hitting isn't either. Too early to tell but so far, our offense is down from last year.
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 9:45 AM
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Unfortunately nobody was going to replace that power combined with that average. However if we improved collectively as a unit and Blackwell, Ingle and wright at least maintain what they did last year, throw in cam and we should be fine. It just needs to start sooner rather than later
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 9:55 AM
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I agree.
Where is Billy Amick?
Hall
Jarrell
Fairy
Taylor
Cam
Abrams
All are either freshman or may as well be since they haven't played. That's a lot of young bats. I like it though. The only one I'm disappointed with so far is Bertram. Thought he'd be a seasoned bat for us.
I like this team and the possibilities.
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
Mar 6, 2023, 1:55 PM
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Tbch Amick fits into Monte’s style and not Bakich’s. He’s an all or nothing guy. He would most likely K as much as 1B. Having said this he may get his opportunity and shine. Who knows….
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
Mar 6, 2023, 1:53 PM
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Exactly
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 8:46 AM
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Yes we gave up runs but yesterday for example, the chicks got 10 hits and we only got 6. You cannot win against good teams with only 6 hits so pitching is not our DJU or Brownell to blame for our problems every time we lose.
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 8:55 AM
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Of course not. Sunday were the bats and pitching won us Friday night. As the season progresses though I can guarantee our offense will be good. If the pitching can just be formidable we can be a regional team. They just can’t be bad.
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Correct.
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Mar 6, 2023, 7:10 AM
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We’re gonna find out if he can recruit.
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Re: Correct.
Mar 6, 2023, 1:40 PM
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He already has solid pieces for this years class. Drew titsworth is a stud. 93/94 fastball with a great spin rate. He has a good curveball also. I saw him pitch in michigan. My wife is from the same town as him. He reminded me of Blake cooper when I played against him when he was at Edisto high school. And we saw how good he was at high school. Dillion Head is another piece he has. Tons of speed and a overall good player. Great defense and really good hitter.
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 7:11 AM
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It’s not like we had a losing record last season. We went 35-23, hit .284 as a team but had no pitching and it cost us. We were 1 or 2 wins away from making a regional. Let’s not act like we don’t have offensive talent for coach bakich in year 1
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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In their defense, its not just baseball. .
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 7:51 AM
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The fact thar many of you believe our baseball program is a dumpster fire really shoes who has the low IQ.
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 7:54 AM
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Hold on now. Not only is the HC responsible for what you listed, it also includes calling 95% + of the pitches thrown, calling when to bunt, take, swing away, steal, position players in the field and more plays. The baseball HC has more on "his plate" (no pun) than both of us listed.
The bottom line - the HC is reponsible. By 2025, he better have recruited the talent and have the Tigers knock, knock, knocking on Omaha's door. If not, dust off the rails...
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 8:34 AM
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He needs time. He knows the weak areas. That is why he has so many pitchers committed. Now on to some hitters. He is more suited for the job than Monte was and I was a Monte supporter for quite awhile.
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Mar 6, 2023, 9:44 AM
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And I agree. Unlike football, in College, baseball, can be turned around in 2 to 3 years because of the draft dynamics. I believe the program can and should be much improved by 2025.
The Tigers always have my support!
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MLB draft throws a Wild Card into baseball recruiting .***
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Mar 6, 2023, 8:41 AM
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Re: MLB draft throws a Wild Card into baseball recruiting .***
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Mar 6, 2023, 8:48 AM
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Imagine how good college ball would be if the rules were like football, I.e. the requirement to be out of high school for three years? So much good talent thrown into the farm system
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Re: MLB draft throws a Wild Card into baseball recruiting .***
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Mar 6, 2023, 9:25 AM
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Imagine how good college ball would be if the rules were like football, I.e. the requirement to be out of high school for three years? So much good talent thrown into the farm system
A lot of those good young fizzle out by time they're 25-27 yo....
Remember Jason Place from Wren HS?
(Former 1st rounder w Boston)....
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Baseball has alway been unique in that you can have 8 out of
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9 guys be the same from day to day, and that 9th guy, the pitcher, can cause TOTALLY different outcomes. This was never better illustrated than by Hall of Fame pitcher Steve Carlton of the Philadelphia Phillies. In 1972, the Phillies only won 59 games. But, Carlton won 27 of those, winning the Cy YOung award, the first pitcher ever to do so on a last place team.
Coach Bakich will continue to shuffle the deck until he finds the most consistent arms to put out there on the mound for us. The results may not be pretty, but, as you said, even the best coach can only do as well as the talent he has on the field.
Recruiting college pitching these days has got to be the hardest job in sports. In this modern age of instantly available electronic media, if a kid has much talent at all, there is a very good chance he will get known, and signed to a minor league professional contract without ever attending college at all. So, finding those "diamonds in the rough" is harder today than it has ever been at any point in time.
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Wrong bored moran.***
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Mar 6, 2023, 9:26 AM
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Yup. I was thinking about exactly this as i got ready
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Mar 6, 2023, 9:35 AM
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for work this morning. Baseball is all about acquiring and developing talent. As you said, the coach/manager has very minimal impact during games. Bakich has had one recruiting cycle and a fraction of one season to bring in and develop players. Expecting a significant change from last year this early in his tenure is just foolish.
Hopefully by next season we will begin to see some improvement. If not we may have cause to worry a little.
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Re: Yup. I was thinking about exactly this as i got ready
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As said by others, college baseball recruiting is a moving target and the low number of scholarships allowed doesn't help the matter either. The question becomes pay $40K to go to college on a half scholarship or go professional and roll the dice for potentially $millions in the future.
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Re: Yup. I was thinking about exactly this as i got ready
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Mar 6, 2023, 10:14 AM
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I don’t know how the coaches figure out where to concentrate their recruiting. A guy like Brock Porter can impact your program immediately but the draft sweeps them away. Lee had some reasonably good class rankings but too little accomplished on the developmental side. This is where I think Bakich can and will succeed. From watching his recent coaching webinar on YT I’m convinced he’s committed to a culture of developing players the right way. The results will take time. I see players that started out promising regressing to their their prior training and attitudes. It sounds like Grice will remain in the Bakich doghouse for a little while. That’s the right thing to do when getting a new culture established. Frankly it’s more about getting the freshmen to buy in than the 3rd and 4th year guys.
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 10:05 AM
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Is that right there with "Low T"?
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 10:18 AM
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I will admit to a low IQ in baseball compared to FB and BB. I just didn't realize our rebuild was going to have to be as substantial as it looks like it is.
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Yes It Went Magnitudes Lower With This Post
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Mar 6, 2023, 10:53 AM
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If you knew anything of baseball, nearly every pitch, defensive placement, base-running and swing authorization is CALLED by a coach in baseball.
You must be a Pickleball guy or a millennial that just googled little league baseball or something
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 11:19 AM
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It's all about recruiting and keeping the players you recruit.
We had great classes decimated by the draft.
I'm concerned that a coach is offering 8th graders and is pulling talent out of the midwest as there is generally just more talent in the southeast than in Michigan and Ohio due to weather and population.
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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I’m amused by the low iq on this board***
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I am amused by the apparent Hall of Fame Armchair coaches
Mar 6, 2023, 11:40 AM
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we have on this site, be they baseball, football, or basketball. Can't believe the pro leagues have not snapped up some of this talent over the years.
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you are wrong about this part
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Mar 6, 2023, 11:58 AM
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"It’s not like football where a coordinator that’s calling every play can make or break a team."
coaches are constantly calling shifts, pitches, swings, steals..etc.
There is a reason there are signs.. there is a reason these kids have writs bands.
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Re: I’m amused by the low baseball iq on this board
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Mar 6, 2023, 12:31 PM
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I played for many years, and I found the coach to have a huge impact on the team. Not sure where your so-called baseball IQ is coming from. Did you play in college? Did you coach at a high level? I played from T-ball through high school, and the coach had an impact on everything from the attitude of the players , hustle, fundamentals and discipline at the plate. A great coach also could make the best out of a mediocre pitching staff. I pitched, and I didn't have the best arm, but I was well coached on pitch selection, placement and tendencies.
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I agree, there are two things right now
Mar 6, 2023, 12:51 PM
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That are hurting us I believe
1. Hitting with RISP. That's a mental/approach issue most of the time.
2. Lack of command by the pitchers. In the strike zone and out.
Can't judge a coach after 11 games. Carolina did seem to be more talented though. Could be rough year.
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