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Al Gore ... you're up.***
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He's to busy trying to save the world from pollution by
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Jan 24, 2023, 12:28 PM
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flying private jets around the world.
Wonder who's banging ole Tipper these days...Bill?
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Re: He's to busy trying to save the world from pollution by
Jan 24, 2023, 6:17 PM
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Easy answer....Hunter!!
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Re: I believe this is officially an epidemic now.
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Jan 24, 2023, 12:29 PM
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"You get a classified document! You get a classified document! And you get a classified document!"
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If'n I ever had access to classified docs...
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Jan 24, 2023, 12:52 PM
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I'd be turning up anywhere they could be to make sure I found them before someone else did!
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Handling classified documents is real simple...
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Jan 24, 2023, 1:14 PM
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Don't leave the SCIF with them and you will never have a problem. If you must take them with you to a meeting, make sure you have the appropriate courier orders, protective covers, and courier bags and when done - RETURN ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS TO THE SCIF.
It really is not hard - do your work and read the documents in the SCIF and then put them up. Never, ever take them home...
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They don’t care.
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Jan 24, 2023, 1:16 PM
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After they saw that Hillary wasn’t touched- no one cares.
At this point I feel like it’s a diversion tactic.
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Apparently this has been going on for years among the
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Jan 24, 2023, 1:09 PM
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political elites. Stuff that would have killed my Army career if not resulted in jail time is just "meh" when it comes to the political elites and how careless they are with classified information/documents. Classified leaks by politico's have cost the taxpayers $ millions if not $ billions through the years (see the Greenbrier Hotel fiasco) yet nothing really meaningful ever seems to happen to this protected class.
I remember when Sandy Berger got caught leaving a SCIF (believe it was the National Archives) back in the early 2000's with classified documents that he had cut up and jammed down his pants. If anyone in the military had done that we would have been court martialed and put in jail. Berger ultimately paid a $50k fine but no jail time. Of course there is Hillary Clinton's Secretary of State homebrew server she was using to get around FOIA/public disclosure requirements that had classified documents where nothing of legal consequence resulted and we are still waiting to see what the deal is with Trump and Biden... My guess is that nothing of major consequence will happen in any of these cases other than political dirt being thrown.
I'm willing to bet that if the FBI searched most every long serving politician (especially those on intel and other sensitive committees), President, VP, and long serving security council members from numerous administrations they would find classified documents in places they aren't supposed to be.
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Re: Apparently this has been going on for years among the
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Jan 24, 2023, 1:40 PM
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The rules don't apply to the political class and especially Democrats. Can you imagine the (feigned) outrage if Trump had set up an entire covert network to circumvent disclosure laws, like Hillary did? But when she does it? Right wing conspiracy.
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Re: Apparently this has been going on for years among the
Jan 24, 2023, 10:09 PM
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Most people don't understand the Clinton server issue. The "classified documents" on her server were emails she received from others, mostly generals, that contained classified info, in at least one case marked with a (c) for confidential. While the mouth-breathing morons were chanting "lock her up," what they didn't realize was that a general or two were the ones at risk of a mishandling charge.
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From what I've seen reported - it was Clinton's
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Jan 26, 2023, 8:16 PM
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staffers who took the classified information sent to them (by Generals and others) off their SIPR systems and manually transferred those documents over to an unclassified system (also known as "spillage") which is highly ILLEGAL. There is some discussion as to whether Hillary directed these staffers to do this but I've never seen anything to confirm that direction. Regardless, not only did those staffers put SECRET and above information on the unclassified Government system but they went outside the Government unclassified network through the open Internet.
I can confidently say that no General that I know is going to rip classified marked stuff off the SIPR and put in on the NIPR side. One because it is a deliberately illegal act (court martial offense) and two they would require some level of tech support to activate their USB or other drives ports on their computers in order to do so (the DoD locked down all those ports years ago on all SIPR devices to avoid this very thing). If a General Officer did this as you claim then I would like to see the investigation report to verify that information because on its face I find it very unbelievable.
No - what Hillary did with this home server was not just an accident - at a minimum it was a deliberate act to hide/control her conversations that were subject to Government monitoring, cataloging and eventual public FOIA requirements. She ignored these laws and in the process had classified (some up to TS) on her systems that were inevitably looked at by foreign actors. If I had done anything of this sort in the military - even with just confidential information - I would have been put in jail.
Let's just be honest - Hillary knew that having this server and conducting Secretary of State business over it was wrong. She either didn't care and/or never thought she would get caught. When she did get caught her political elite status protected her from all legal culpability. You might like her politics but to defend what she did is really indefensible.
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Re: From what I've seen reported - it was Clinton's
Jan 28, 2023, 3:54 PM
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Wow that's a whole lot of ... wrong. The official investigation found no documents or emails that were properly marked as classified. Three emails included a shorthand (c) to mark portions as confidential, but the emails themselves weren't properly marked. The one email they like to talk about had the subject of proposing a call to some African leader about the death of another leader marked as confidential. Everything you've gotten from Trump and OAN leaves out the part that any information marked as S or TS was done so during or after the investigation.
I've seen no reliable reporting that staffers moved information from siprnet to unclassified gov or mil domains in order to email to the clinton domain. These were literally emails with a sprinkling of classified information, not thousands of electronic documents. As for not believing any general officer would do that is pretty naive. There are lots of morons everywhere, even in the military -see Michael Flynn and current/retired officers on Jan 6.
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J.ComeY’s July 2016 recommendation to DOJ re: Hillary server
Jan 28, 2023, 10:14 PM
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Attached is the link (at the bottom) and a cut-&-paste of 4 late-statement paragraphs (between the xxxxxxx lines) from J.Coney’s July 2016 recommendation to the DOJ regarding the prosecution of Hillary Clinton.
While this reads as being written by an honorable and politically uncompromised man back in summer of 2016, in hindsight we all know that former FBI Director Comey was a seditious bureaucrat who presided over and vigorously promoted the Trump / Russia hoax.
Therefore, by virtue of his summer 2016 actions alone, anything that he had recommended or endorsed prior and subsequent to summer 2016 cannot be trusted. Anything that did, or will do, since his dismissal as FBI Director can also not be trusted or deemed as credible.
In his recommendation to the DOJ, he reports that there was no evidence found that would prove Ms.Clinton had intent to do anything illegal with respect to her possession of classified documents.
Comey then painted the excuse for Ms.Clinton’s e-mail clean up team that their deletion of ‘personal’ e-mails which were subsequently found by FBI investigators was ‘probably’ due to the clean-up crew simply deleting those ‘personal’ e-mails based on the subject line / title of the e-mail. You know, as some rube like you or me would do when periodically cleaning out our work e-mail.
In other words, like the old Pedro Guerro excuse that they were too stupid to know better. Yep, that’s a credible excuse for the Secretary of State’s e-mail clean up crew.
Pure B.S.
Comey’s FBI, as Tabby had explained it, made the decision to protect the political royalty (no new members allowed), and thus the recommendation to not prosecute.
Please also note that Comey, when noting that Hillary’s ‘accidental / carelessly handled’ e-mails that remained on her server were in the server’s “unsorted” aka “slack space” and would be hard to piece together.
Comey inferred that only the FBI had the combination of computer and investigative skills to find the 8 TS, 34 S, and 8 Confidential e-mails in the unsorted / slack space.
As if Russia, PRChina, Israel, India, etc. would have neither the time nor skills nor interest in doing exactly what the FBI had done. Comey thinks that all Americans must be that stupid … well, he appears to be correct in that ~ half of America is.
OK, next is the cut-&-paste, with special attention to the 2nd paragraph.
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“In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.
To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.
As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.
I know there will be intense public debate in the wake of this recommendation, as there was throughout this investigation. What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.”
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Comey gets credit for one clearly honest statement. Cases like Hillary’s should be prosecuted … or not … in “similar circumstances.”
Those that are not in the ‘Old Guard’ political elite get a finger wagged at them; the non-political elite get Leavenworth.
The link is attached; the content is not too difficult to read.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system![]() Director Comey's statement to the press on the FBI’s investigation of Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail system during her time as Secretary of State.
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Re: J.ComeY’s July 2016 recommendation to DOJ re: Hillary server
Jan 29, 2023, 2:45 AM
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Wow, more morons.
Didn’t actually read it. Just saw a longish post by an idiot and passed (gas).
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Re: I believe this is officially an epidemic now.
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What it's really starting to look like is that our supposedly secure documents are not so secure as we would like them to be, and that there's a really iffy chain-of-custody going on.
Nobody's breathing easier on this one than Joe Biden. Pence really just let him off the hook. My guess would be there's about to be a hurried scavenger hunt across Washington for ex presidents, VP's, Senators, and House Intelligence Committee reps, and I suspect more the a few documents are going to turn up, and that's going to be that for prosecuting Biden, Pence, etc.
I don't think it helps Donald Trump nearly as much though because the "honest mistake" defense went right out the window for him just off the sheer volume of stuff he had, and then he started defying direct requests from the National Archives and then an FBI warrant. That's what seems likely to cook him. When a raid on his residence found hundreds of documents he'd signed an affidavit that he didn't have, with some of the juiciest stuff stashed in the desk and and hidden behind framed pictures in his office...well, that's a whole lot harder to explain, and it starts looking a whole lot like actual criminal intent.
You honestly wonder if that was Pence's intention here. He still has eyes for the office himself and stopping Trump from Whatabouting his way out of obvious criminal charges would suit him just fine, I suspect. Especially since Donald sent that mob out to hang him that time...that kinda thing tends to linger with people a little bit.
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Re: I believe this is officially an epidemic now.
Jan 24, 2023, 2:02 PM
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Trump may eventually be charged with something, but I'd bet the house it won't have a thing to do with classified documents. Not one iota.
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Re: I believe this is officially an epidemic now.
Jan 24, 2023, 2:18 PM
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I dunno, man. Can even an ex-president get away with defying an FBI subpoena when there's TS/SCI stuff involved? I mean, maybe, but the DOJ is not going to want to let that slide because it's tantamount to a direct admission the Feds don't have the ballz to go after people if they're powerful enough and create a big enough political stink. That's a horrible precedent to set.
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Re: I believe this is officially an epidemic now.
Jan 24, 2023, 5:28 PM
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I'm looking at it like Comey looked at the Hillary situation, "no reasonable prosecutor."
At this point, I think it would be hard to get a jury to prosecute, and especially if the trial were to be held in Florida like I've heard.
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Re: I believe this is officially an epidemic now.
Jan 27, 2023, 12:22 AM
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The fact the Deep State has dog piled on Trump without ceasing and without cause for 7 years is proof to any same person that Trump is not a powerful enough to be untouchable. May some benevolent and loving force heal you of your blindness.
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Re: I believe this is officially an epidemic now.
Jan 28, 2023, 6:22 PM
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The deep state really is there to protect us from treasonous morons like Trump. But there was plenty of trash in the government that voted for that crook. Just like all the trash outside of government that voted for him.
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The deep state has proven to be seditious
Jan 28, 2023, 10:26 PM
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The lefties decided that they didn’t like DJT because (1) has private sector persona and (2) his surprise decision to run for POTUS.
(Supporters of Trump the politician widely abhorred his private sector persona, but had the intelligence and emotional stability to consider his campaign promises and in-office performance … and therefore supported Trump the political / executive office person.)
Lefties, furious at any person that they perceive to be a turncoat (Trump … donated to Democrats; Musk … went from EV hero to Twitter devil), were thrilled that the deep state did their best to run DJT out of office.
These idiot lefties, who decided that they hated DJT first and then backed into their ‘reasons’ for hating him second, were thrilled at the Fed. bureaucracies seditious attempts to frame him.
There is a lot of voters that are trash … they are also known as leftists.
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Re: The deep state has proven to be seditious
Jan 29, 2023, 1:19 AM
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You don't really know what sedition means, do you?
Use Google, but don't believe the first thing you see (like the CFC chemistry). Morons.
Message was edited by: AustinPounders®
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Today’s vocabulary lesson for AustinPowers
Jan 29, 2023, 10:29 AM
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Merriam-Webster-Webster
Sedition: Incitement of resistance against lawful authority.
Incitement: That which incites the mind.
Incite: To stir up.
You should really consider sources other than Wikipedia.
If you still do not understand, then ask mommy for a juice box, settle down a little, and get back to me.
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Re: Today’s vocabulary lesson for AustinPowers
Feb 2, 2023, 11:44 PM
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I knew Danny 40 years ago. He was not an idiot. He still is not an idiot.
Do Danny a favor: stop being an idiot.
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Re: I believe this is officially an epidemic now.
Jan 24, 2023, 10:23 PM
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Pence is about as honest as you can get. He had an office in that house set up for official work while he was VP: computer, container, etc. So documents were legally there for four years.
He's also a famously efficient bathroom reader.
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Mission Impossible had self destructing tapes in the 60s.***
Jan 24, 2023, 2:15 PM
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By the way, not to sound like I'm bragging...
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Jan 24, 2023, 2:47 PM
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But this whole thing about classified documents is an excellent example of why I think it's best not to react to everything we see or hear as soon as we can, as if something bad will happen if we don't quickly get a strongly-worded opinion out there. How about wait for some context.
On this story, my reaction is the same as it was for President Biden, President Trump, and Secretary Clinton. The proper authorities will determine what happened, how bad it was, whether it was criminal, and what the consequences should be. I will then perhaps have an opinion about the person and the event, once all that information is known.
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lol @ "the proper authorities"***
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If we can't trust law enforcement, then
Jan 24, 2023, 2:56 PM
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what even are we doing here? No point in anything. I trust that law enforcement authorities will do the right thing, and in cases where they don't, I trust in the proper authorities to find that out and fix it.
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You are correct, they don’t trust any authorities.
Jan 28, 2023, 4:31 PM
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They don’t trust any government entity, scientists, the courts or pretty much anyone else except Trump and Tucker.
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gotta give it to him
Jan 24, 2023, 7:39 PM
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He's clearly been taking notes and made the best play possible to get some leniency if there ever ends up being a court case
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Fox beat the Onion to this one***
Jan 24, 2023, 7:57 PM
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just hypocrites being hypocrites, nothing new***
Jan 24, 2023, 8:37 PM
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