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I find it odd...
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...That the same crackers who think that the government is out to get them and the whole world is conspiring against them also think that the police are all pure as the driven snow and would never hurt anyone who didn't deserve it.
They'll jump to the earliest possible negative conclusions about a government recommendation but, when a person is killed by the police, they will jump to a pro-police conclusion before we see the evidence.
Why do they fetishize police violence?
(Does it relate to why they loved an idiot like Trump? He shot off his mouth a lot, and they mistake that for strength?)
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Re: I find it odd...
Jan 29, 2023, 2:59 PM
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Thumbs down was by accident
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Re: I find it odd...
Jan 29, 2023, 3:00 PM
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:02 PM
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I have never once been concerned about thumbs, either up or down. I still don't know the practical value!
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who's been defending the police?
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I think it's perfectly logical to simultaneously hold the two positions that 1) the police acted criminally here, deserve what they're getting, and citizens shouldn't expect to die from being beaten to death while being arrested and 2) There are really simple choices this guy could have made in how he reacted that would have seen him out on bail and back at work at FedEx tomorrow.
That seems to be what most are saying that I've seen.
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Fear is a bi ch tho, Obed. Choices made in fear are
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:09 PM
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usually bad ones. Why should any citizen fear police?
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I know of almost no way to control
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:42 PM
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What people fear, nor can I legislate it. At its very core though, the day criminals stop fearing law enforcement is the day it stops being effective, so I’m not sure fear removal is the ideal goal.
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No, but why did my neighbor fear for his safety when
Jan 29, 2023, 4:28 PM
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A cop had a hold of his wrist with one hand and his other hand on the butt I’d his weapon…for mowing his own grass? He felt the urge to pull away and run inside his house…but he didn’t. Even when people comply, time and time again, we see bad outcomes. Being overly aggressive while interacting with criminals and non criminals alike is a common problem in PDs across the country. How do you administer the behavior out of that process of bringing individuals into custody?
Obviously the Memphis case a million phukkin things went wrong real quick and it kept getting worse. The guy ran because he was scared. Considering they had his car, knew where to find him, he was unarmed, and he was hollering for his Mama…I think it’s safe to let him run; pick him up later or let him surrender himself. Wouldn’t do it that way if a guys waving a glock around, but no one was in danger here except the guy that got stopped. That’s what’s effed up and that’s what needs to change.
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Agree that this one is effed up all the way around
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Jan 29, 2023, 4:59 PM
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Enough so that I’m not even sure what could be or will be extrapolated from it to assist on a national scale.
Cops are like politicians to me. They all have more power from their position than the average Joe, but the worst of the bunch are the ones who consider that power one of the top perks of the job and wear it on their sleeve.
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What is hard for people to accept or even understand is that
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Jan 29, 2023, 6:06 PM
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Both the police and Nichols were wrong here. You have already pointed this out, but it's true and people need to understand that both are true, and better behavior must be expected from both citizens and police if we really are serious about avoiding this in the future. Sure, we can clamp down on police, "reimagine policing", etc., etc., but if citizens continue to resist, fight, and run from police, expect these incidents to continue.
I disagree with Ole Slac that the cops should have just let Nichols go. They had every right to restrain him, and as far as I know, he had no right to resist from the start. The false belief that cops are bad and are the enemies of law abiding young black men is not an acceptable reason to resist, and we cannot allow ourselves to fall into that trap, or policing does indeed become a totally ineffective joke.
In this instance, it looks to me like Nichols was wrong to resist, and should have complied from the start. IF he had, all of this may not have happened.
It is even more clear that these cops were very bad cops, and crossed several lines that must never be crossed. They beat a man to death who should have been cuffed, restrained, and taken to jail. There is no way that 5 bigger cops could not get this smaller young man in cuffs and under control. They failed miserably and must be held accountable. And also, to be clear, nothing Nichols did even remotely justified his killing.
Assuming that these police are held accountable, The worst possible take away from this would be to limit the police in such a way that allows suspects to flee and encourages them to resist even more than they are already being encouraged to do so now. Police must have the legal authority to enforce the law, and that includes using the necessary force required to restrain and subdue a suspect or person who is resisting legal requests.
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Re: What is hard for people to accept or even understand is that
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Jan 29, 2023, 8:23 PM
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Agree, and well said.
The false belief that cops are bad and are the enemies of law abiding young black men is not an acceptable reason to resist, and we cannot allow ourselves to fall into that trap, or policing does indeed become a totally ineffective joke.
But, the left is going with this idea full steam ahead. Blacks are too afraid of cops to comply with any of their instructions or to be pulled over or otherwise engaged by them in any way.
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And that is a very wrong, dangerous idea to promote.***
Jan 29, 2023, 8:28 PM
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Law abiders: Can be quasi-brainwashed into fearing cops
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Jan 29, 2023, 7:32 PM
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Among my liberal friends & family members, ~ half of them (all of whom are law abiding; most are [or had been before retirement]) are fearful of police.
All of them … and I truly mean every one of them … are aficionados of more than one of the following) … ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, CNN, MSNBC, Huffington Post, WAPO, NYT, and also the major newspaper of their region (all of which are liberal).
With regard to police activities, each of these outlets frequently provide news stories in which context about the activities of the criminal and the activities of the police are predominantly unfavorable to the police. In other words, slanted use of context.
Any reasonable person who has immersed themselves in this quasi-propaganda will be predilected towards unreasonable fear of police.
Adding to their predilection is that most people, when experiencing an interaction with a policeman in which the policeman had initiated the contact, are fearful that they may be fined or punished for inadvertently doing something unlawful. (As everyone knows, good people who inadvertently break the law have STILL broken the law.)
No one ‘likes’ to be fined or arrested; therefore another ‘justification’ for having unfavorable sentiments toward the police gets locked into the minds of these liberals.
Of course, the fear of police is magnified by those that purposely commit crimes.
Context (honestly presented context) matters.
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Re: I know of almost no way to control
Jan 29, 2023, 6:32 PM
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What people fear, nor can I legislate it. At its very core though, the day criminals stop fearing law enforcement is the day it stops being effective, so I’m not sure fear removal is the ideal goal.
It isn't always criminals - which is kind of the point. Someone pulled for a traffic stop? George Floyd? If people fear the police, you are living in a police state.
People shouldn't fear the police they should respect the police. But the police work for us, not the other way around.
I don't mean to go off on a tangent (on my own thread!), but it is why I get so tired of the "heroes" bullsh!t surrounding cops. It is a job. They get paid. They are no more perfect than anyone else. Treat them with appropriate respect but hold them highly accountable because of their responsibility and power. And there is not enough of the latter. The ones who stood with their thumbs up their butts during the Uvalde shootings, are they heroes simply because they wear uniforms?
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People who resist arrest or fail to comply with a legal
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request are criminals, by definition. If the request by the police to comply is legal, or if the arrest is legal, then the crime of resisting unnecessarily escalates the situation and likely puts not only themselves, but others in danger. Generally speaking, in most cases, it's not an acceptable response, and should not be excused or encouraged. Police must have the authority to use whatever force is required to gain compliance or effect the arrest. OF course, it's prudent to assess the situation, and in cases where it is a minor violation, like a busted tail ight, and fighting with a resisting suspect may put bystanders or other citizens at risk, then letting the suspect flee may be the wise thing. That could have very bad consequenses, however, if say, a guy is pulled over for a busted tail light, but unbeknownst to police has a kidnapped hostage in the trunk, or has and outstanding warrant for murder. It would be an egregious failure of procedure and/or poilcy to let such a person flee or just let them go because they resisted and cops didn't want to fight just because it was a minor traffic violation.
So yes, "cops work for us", but most of us expect cops to protect us by enforcing the law, which requires the authority to use whatever force is required to do so. That will inevitably require them at times to subdue and/or chase suspects who may have only committed minor, non-violent offenses.
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Re: who's been defending the police?
Jan 29, 2023, 3:11 PM
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There has been a lot of defending of the police on the politics board on this and other cases of police brutality - especially against black victims. Absolutely.
It is unfortunate that there is not footage of the traffic incident - the video seems to begin with him being dragged out of his car.
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Re: who's been defending the police?
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:55 PM
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All criminals are now victims
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Re: who's been defending the police?
Jan 29, 2023, 6:34 PM
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All criminals are now victims
Nobody said that so why are you?
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Man you are the worst troll***
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Re: Man you are the worst troll***
Jan 29, 2023, 6:35 PM
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But he's absolutely right. It's victim blaming.
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What part of this is not factual?
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Jan 29, 2023, 8:26 PM
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I think it's perfectly logical to simultaneously hold the two positions that 1) the police acted criminally here, deserve what they're getting, and citizens shouldn't expect to die from being beaten to death while being arrested and 2) There are really simple choices this guy could have made in how he reacted that would have seen him out on bail and back at work at FedEx tomorrow.
That seems to be what most are saying that I've seen.
That's not to say that "he got what he had coming" or any such garbage. A detainee should not automatically be beat to death if they resist. There is no excuse for what these cops did. None.
That does not mean that Tyre Nichols' behavior did not, as a matter of fact, play a role, rightly or wrongly, in his death.
I have daughters, so lets look at cac's "she shouldn't have been wearing such revealing clothing" comment. Let's say my daughter starts hanging out with a motorcycle gang, gets drunk at one of their wild parties, and takes off her clothes and starts dancing around. Let's say she gets raped. Those horrible people who did that would be at fault, and I would be both outraged and broken hearted, as a terrible injustice has been committed against my daughter. No matter what she did, she did not deserve that. That does not mean that hanging out with a motorcycle gang, getting drunk and taking all of her clothes off was a good choice, and it doesn't mean that her choices did not play a role in what happened.
That's why, as a parent, I teach my daughters not to hang out with motorcycle gangs in the first place, and if you do, dont get drunk and take your clothes off at one of their parties. It's your right to do that, but just because it's your right, it doesn't mean it's a good idea. In fact, it's a bad idea. Don't do it. If she does, and she gets raped, part of the lesson MUST be not to put yourself in that situation again. Assigning blame and accountability is a different thing altogether. She made a mistake, a bad decision, which hopefully she learns from and won't make again, and some very bad people took advantage of her. Those bad people are to blame for doing a bad thing, and must be held accountable.
It's the same with people who resist arrest. I don't have to tell my kids, they have enough sense to start with, but we have actually had that conversation. When pulled over by police, cooperate. Don't smart off or try to run away. If the cops are out of line, unless they are physically hurting you, cooperate and fight it in court later, where you may or may not win, but you won't be beaten or dead. And if you are beaten or killed, it won't matter who was wrong or right, or who was to blame. So, part of the lesson learned from people getting beaten or killed when resisting police, HAS TO BE don't resist legal requests or restraint.
So, don't hang out with motorcycle gangs and get drunk and strip naked at their parties. Also, don't resist and run from police. If you do either of these, we might have to worry about who to blame.
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No it’s a lame attempt to throw poo in a thread
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He has no intent of having a serious conversation in. It’s such a cop out and not remotely analogous.
I said the cops were guilty, period.
So answer this, true or false—-if the guy had stepped out of the car when asked and done what they asked, he’d almost assuredly be alive today. It’s basic logic, and agreeing with it doesn’t suggest that the penalty for running away should be being pummeled to death once caught.
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Re: No it’s a lame attempt to throw poo in a thread
Jan 29, 2023, 10:08 PM
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He has no intent of having a serious conversation in. It’s such a cop out and not remotely analogous.
I said the cops were guilty, period.
So answer this, true or false—-if the guy had stepped out of the car when asked and done what they asked, he’d almost assuredly be alive today. It’s basic logic, and agreeing with it doesn’t suggest that the penalty for running away should be being pummeled to death once caught.
How do we know that when we don't have video of anything before he was dragged out of his car?
George Floyd - on the ground under a knee of a cop. What should he have done differently?
Briana Taylor - laying in her bed. What should she have done differently?
I know you aren't saying that he brought it on himself, but we seem to want people to put themselves in a completely vulnerable position with cops who show no regard for their life or well-being.
Do what they said? The cops gave him 71 commands in 13 minutes. Which ones should he have followed?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/29/us/tyre-nichols-video-assault-cops.html
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Ok, if you’re contending that
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Jan 29, 2023, 10:22 PM
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Running away was a reasonable and sound decision, it helps us to save some time by agreeing to disagree. We aren’t going to find common ground unfortunately.
Additionally, mentioning Floyd and Taylor as rationales for running is an emotional argument, and not a logical one when you consider there are approximately 1000 police-caused deaths every year (regardless of justified or not) against a whopping 4.5M arrests (too big of a number, IMO, but that’s another topic for another day). It’s like saying that 9/11 is a reasonable excuse for someone to run to the front of a plane and try to jump to the tarmac while taxiing when statistics clearly say it isn’t.
Again, I have no clue if the stop was justified or not, but there isn’t a scenario in which running away produced a better outcome for the victim.
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That's just it. Barring extremely rare circumstances, there
Jan 30, 2023, 12:11 AM
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is never any situation in which it helps, especially if you are innocent and have done nothing wrong, to do anything other than cooperate fully with any leagal request from police. To suggest otherwise is either dishonest or absurd.
And again, for fchrisgrimm, nobody is defending what these cops did to Tyre Nichols. But, the false suggestion that all young black men are justified in fearing all police (and therefore justified in resisting and attempting to flee) is dead wrong and very, very dangerous for young black men, and police, and bystanders or innocent citizens who could be harmed by police struggling with or chasing a fleeing suspect. It's wrong and it's extremely dangerous. Instead, young black men, and everybody else for that matter, should be encouraged to peacefully comply with all legal requests by police.
That doesn't fix the problem of bad cops, but it tremedously reduces anyone's chances of being hurt or killed by one.
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Re: That's just it. Barring extremely rare circumstances, there
Jan 30, 2023, 12:47 PM
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Smiling Tiger®
Instead of saying "all police" I would say that that very well documents incidents (and statistics) build in the black community an "institutional distrust" of the police.
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Re: That's just it. Barring extremely rare circumstances, there
Jan 30, 2023, 3:44 PM
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Yeah, obviously black people have good reason to not trust the police. I think it compounds the problem when 1) Police tend to escalate the situation. They ####### love to yell and often give contradictory orders 2) We've militarized the police so we subconsciously don't think of them as trying to help 3) Lots of cops are so poorly trained they seemingly can't detain someone with 5 of them.
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Black people have zero reason to assume that police are
Jan 30, 2023, 8:18 PM
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likely to screw them over, much less harm them. That is total, 100% ########. Again, some cops are bad and some cops are racist, but the vast majority are not. Believing this pile of ####, however, only encourages Black people to resist, struggle with, and flee from police, which only makes it worse for everybody involved.
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Re: No it’s a lame attempt to throw poo in a thread
Jan 30, 2023, 3:39 PM
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My replies are as serious as the post I'm replying to. The just do what they tell you narrative is just a distraction from the obvious problem that a traffic stop shouldn't end in the police murdering someone.
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I haven't seen anybody, outside of the nuttiest of nuts,
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defending the police in this. I watched a little FOX News after the video came out and even Sean Hannity agreed that the police were out of line and their actions were inexcuseable. I havn't watched a ton of FOX since, but everybody I have heard on there had the same take. There could be exceptions, and their take may change, but I just don't see or hear much of anybody defending the police.
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Haven't seen anyone do it here in the Nichols case
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But we've had plenty of absurd police defenses in the past (George Floyd, for example). But the OP point holds true: Some of our resident nutties who think the federal government is bent on destroying us all and feeding our children fat pedophiles will come screaming to the side of police--as if they don't realize those will be the first people sent to ruin them if the government really is out to get us all.
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Re: I find it odd...
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I think you’re grossly oversimplifying this issue. I don’t know anyone supporting this recent killing in Memphis.
Who is the they you speak of?
I think most people including crackers whatever definition you want to give for that term, do not support what happened in Memphis, Minneapolis or other high profile crimes by the police on citizens.
However, I think most folks also realize that the police is a necessary and very important part of society and while we need to weed out bad cops, we don’t want to characterize all cops as brutal people looking to hurt and kill people.
I would suspect the same number of folks who get off on police killing a civilian are equaled by folks who get off when a cop is gunned down.
Most folks want police protection performed in a professional manner.
Most folks back the blue until one or more cops are out of line. The police chief of Memphis and the DA there feel the same.
Where is your data that Trump supporters are ok with police brutality?
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NC Tiger did.
Jan 29, 2023, 4:51 PM
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“ I have not seen 5 sec of video that would tell me these cops should be charged.”
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Yep - some people are defending the police. Very, very few,
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and as far as I can tell, and they represent a very small fringe minority.
Most people realize this was a wrongful killing of a citizen by bad cops. Most people also realize that bad cops are the problem here, and some bad cops do not mean that there is a need to demonize all cops, or cops in general, or to reinvent or reimagine policing. Sure, exaimine all policies and procedures, and if there is something that needs to change, then change it. But any such efforts must focus on the real problem, which is bad cops, and how to keep bad cops off of the force. And, any such efforts must not encourage suspects to defy the legal authority of police, or allow them to resist and escape legal restraint.
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Re: Yep - some people are defending the police. Very, very few,
Jan 29, 2023, 6:40 PM
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and as far as I can tell, and they represent a very small fringe minority.
Most people realize this was a wrongful killing of a citizen by bad cops. Most people also realize that bad cops are the problem here, and some bad cops do not mean that there is a need to demonize all cops, or cops in general, or to reinvent or reimagine policing. Sure, exaimine all policies and procedures, and if there is something that needs to change, then change it. But any such efforts must focus on the real problem, which is bad cops, and how to keep bad cops off of the force. And, any such efforts must not encourage suspects to defy the legal authority of police, or allow them to resist and escape legal restraint.
Setting aside that the half-dozen usual Tnet suspects are defending them...
Maybe if bad cops were actually held accountable for brutality it would make a difference? They can do almost anything on the job without being held accountable.
And before someone mentions him, look at what it took to convict George Floyd's murderers. It took lots of witnesses, lots of people filming it. And we still all thought it was a close call as to whether they would convict. If that is what it takes, man, that is a sad state of affairs.
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Again, nobody is saying that bad cops should not be held
Jan 29, 2023, 7:30 PM
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accountable. Of course they should be. And I'm terribly sorry there was a process which allowed the George Floyd cops to have a legal defense in court, but I can't help you there.
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Re: What About The Situations They Have Quit Talking About ? ---
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The paraplegic that was aggressively dragged out of the car when he was trying to explain that he couldn't just get out the car at the cop's request.... because of his disability.
What about the guy that had his hands cuffed behind his back....put into the back of a transport van all alone ...still cuffed ...with no seatbelt restraint....takes a ride to the station where along the way the cop driving the van had to suddenly slam on the brakes. Prisoner still cuffed with hands behind his back goes flying head first into the back doors of the van due to the force of slamming on the brakes and the fact that the detained individual was not again restrained in a seat belt.
Oblivious to what happened on the way to the precinct......the driver of the van along with the welcoming party at the precinct opens the van doors only to find the detained individual on the van floor in able to move . They all just barking at him to get up and stop stalling...and the detained handcuffed individual was trying to explain that he couldn't move . These cops had enough of his excuses and they dragged him out of the van onto the ground and dragged him inside the precinct. Once they booked the guy they
again dragged him on the precinct floor all the way to the cell ....and left him lying on the floor motionless and I believe still cuffed. It was like he was an animal. That guy had severe injury to the neck and upper spine area.
All of this was caught on body cams and the cams inside the van as well.
Unfortunately this makes a lot of certain people just smile.
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I find it odd that you said cra**er.
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Jan 29, 2023, 4:00 PM
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Racist.
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Re: I find it odd that you said cra**er.
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Jan 29, 2023, 6:43 PM
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Racist.
I grew up in South Carolina in an area surrounded by racist rednecks like you. Believe me I know crackers when I encounter them. I don't think I have ever read a valuable point in one of your comments, but you follow me around like you have a bad crush on me.
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So, you double down and say it again
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Jan 29, 2023, 6:50 PM
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Racist.
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Re: So, you double down and say it again
May 22, 2017, 10:14 AM
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Racist.
I'm white, you're white, and you are a cracker. What's racist about that?
If you are offended you don't need to follow my posts.
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Keep your chit eating axx in NY.***
Jan 29, 2023, 10:41 PM
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I'm getting tired your holier-than-thou pretentious BS. You don't know squat.
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Re: Keep your chit eating axx in NY.***
Jan 30, 2023, 12:53 PM
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I'm getting tired your holier-than-thou pretentious BS. You don't know squat.
You can shut your mouth and deal with it, because I'm not going anywhere. But the next time I visit the upstate, I'll be sure to let you know.
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Re: I’m not white
Jan 30, 2023, 12:52 PM
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So then your objection to "cracker" is just a distraction, because you can't make salient points.
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Re: I find it odd...
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That is a great question! We could go real deep real fast, but I'll give it a go.
First, anyone who wants more govt is either in the govt or a fool. Eons of history preach to us the dangers of more power in fewer hands. At the same time. there will be those who violate the most basic and common of laws. Because of this, the good of society needs laws and law enforcement. Generally, we should be grateful for those who will risk their safety and lives to protect ours. At the same time, we cannot fall asleep, we must be watchful and distrusting of the power we give them so as to keep them in check. This is also why we are best off relying upon local, and not federal, law enforcement for most law enforcement activities (my belief is we are better served when we can put our hands on those who represent or work for us).
Most contemporary liberals seem unable to comprehend the concept of popular sovereignty and all that it means. Though the power of govt can be wielded for the greater good, it is hardly the expectation history provides. There can and should exist a healthy distrust of and "it" (government) that operates seperate and apart from us from whom the "its" get their power. The more we empower govt the less individual liberty we can enjoy, this is ever more true when we are offering greater empowerment to a more centralized govt.
Like I said, we can go deep quick and if I dont stop here I'll need to go back and first create an outline and the response will be more lengthy than is appropriate for a bbs response.
I hope what I've offered provides some insight as to my thoughts. As for the insults you included in you OP, I assume you probably know everything already and my time was wasted on you...hopefully someone else (you know, who doesn't know everything already) is genuinely inquisitive and now has food for thought.
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GREAT POST ^^***
Jan 29, 2023, 8:34 PM
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Re: I find it odd...
Jan 29, 2023, 9:54 PM
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ithacaI think it is fair to say we all believe in law and order. But there are people who hate government but fetishize the police. It seems like a serious contradiction. This isn't about some libertarian wet dream of small government. It's about ignoring brutality by police in a "if you do what the police saw you'll never be hurt" way when obviously that's nonsense, from people who would never take that approach from the rest of the government.
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It’s about as oxymoronic as people
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Jan 29, 2023, 10:47 PM
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Who love big government but hate the police.
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180*... Nice.***
Jan 29, 2023, 11:41 PM
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Re: It’s about as oxymoronic as people
Jan 30, 2023, 12:43 PM
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Who love big government but hate the police.
I certainly don't hate the police. I think police should be held accountable for their actions.
Do you consider accountability to be hate?
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Re: It’s about as oxymoronic as people
Jan 30, 2023, 12:44 PM
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No, do you consider logical observations about poor choices to be victim blaming?
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Re: It’s about as oxymoronic as people
Jan 30, 2023, 1:03 PM
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No, do you consider logical observations about poor choices to be victim blaming?
But you didn't answer my question as to whether you equate "accountability" and "hate."
I'm happy to answer yours. I think they often are. I mean, what goes with them is a presumption that (in this example) a person dying for a traffic violation (that still hasn't been documented) is acceptable if the victim doesn't do every single thing that the cops asked.
Cops aren't judge and jury. A dead person (like in this case) shouldn't just be law enforcement's cost of doing business. And that is to me the perception when people bend over backwards to give the police the benefit of the doubt when there is a tragedy involving the police.
(It's a similar thing with the death penalty. Some people love it. Some people hate it. But we can't treat the execution of the innocent as the cost of doing business. I have no moral objection to the death penalty, but when it is applied in cases that, after the fact, we see were wrong... we have an important problem to address.)
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Re: I find it odd...
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Idiots? Look at what is in the White House now.I will take Trump over the party of Pelosi, Clinton and Biden any day.
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Re: I find it odd...
Jan 29, 2023, 9:55 PM
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Idiots? Look at what is in the White House now.I will take Trump over the party of Pelosi, Clinton and Biden any day.
What office does Clinton hold?
Clearly you are a conservative incapable of thinking critically. What does your comment have to do with police brutality?
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Agree. Police are the enforcement goons of the corrupt criminal government.***
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Re: I find it odd...
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Cracka
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Re: I find it odd...
Jan 29, 2023, 8:33 PM
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Seems like most people on here want facts fully disclosed before jumping to a conclusion. You seem to be mistaking that for a police violence fetish?
Surely you are not really getting that from TNet. Is the echo chamber telling you this?
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Re: I find it odd...
Jan 29, 2023, 10:10 PM
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Seems like most people on here want facts fully disclosed before jumping to a conclusion. You seem to be mistaking that for a police violence fetish?
Surely you are not really getting that from TNet. Is the echo chamber telling you this?
You have as much credibility here as David Duke:
"I have not seen 5 sec of video that would tell me these cops should be charged.”
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Re: I find it odd...
Jan 29, 2023, 11:35 PM
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This entire thread is ODD!
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