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Orange Blooded [2868]
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The Lunatic Fringe Has A Chapter In East Lansing
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Feb 25, 2024, 11:27 PM
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Michigan State loses a buzzer beater to Ohio State on an insane 3-point shot. Michigan State fans want Hall of Famer Tom Izzo fired. You can't make this stuff up.
From Twitter:
My reaction to MSU’s loss to Ohio State
1. This is the most embarrassing stretch in the Tom Izzo era
2. We don’t deserve to make the NCAA tournament
3. Why didn’t Booker keep playing late in the game?
4. It’s time to have a serious conversation about Izzo being the head coach
After the loss, Michigan State is now 17-10
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I mean they were preseason #4 and will barely get in now
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Feb 25, 2024, 11:36 PM
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they have high expectations there
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Re: I mean they were preseason #4 and will barely get in now
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Feb 25, 2024, 11:40 PM
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Expectations? What are those?
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Oculus Spirit [77525]
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That loss isn't one any fan should lose sleep over.
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Feb 26, 2024, 12:03 AM
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It was two evenly matched teams (that day) in the NCAA. Ranking teams preseason isn't science and never should be used to gage any team on any field, ever. Objectivity overrules.
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Re: That loss isn't one any fan should lose sleep over.
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Feb 26, 2024, 1:00 AM
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Mich St are on pace to finished unranked for the fourth straight season. The longest such stretch under Izzo. They were also preseason #4 this year. Regardless of preseason rankings, Ohio State are not particularly good this year and Mich State has a coach is supposed to be one of the absolute elites of college basketball. He’s the 2nd highest paid coach in the sport and hasn’t made it to the Elite 8 since 2019. Hasn’t made it to a Final since 2009. As for losing sleep over that loss, it may very well knock Mich St onto the bubble. They haven’t missed the tourney since 1997 - something you shouldn’t have to contemplate when you have the 2nd highest paid coach in the sport.
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Re: That loss isn't one any fan should lose sleep over.
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Feb 26, 2024, 1:18 AM
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Didn't they make the Sweet 16 last year?
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Legend [16379]
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Tom Izzo has delivered a history of high level success. That's it.
Feb 26, 2024, 11:26 AM
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They were largely ho hum prior to his hire in 1995 save for the Magic Johnson stretch of the late 70's. Much like how Clemson had a shining moment with future NBA stars Tree Rollins and Larry Nance.
Essentially one single coach being the right hire elevated their program to this level you refer to. Now he is nearing the twilight of his career and appears to be faltering.
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Re: The Lunatic Fringe Has A Chapter In East Lansing
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Feb 26, 2024, 5:00 AM
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LMAO at any comparison of disgruntled fans of Brownell to Izzo. Izzo has been to at least 8 Final Fours and has a national championship.
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Yes, he coaches at a basketball school with tons of relevant history and support
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Feb 26, 2024, 11:20 AM
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while Brownell has neither.
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Re: Yes, he coaches at a basketball school with tons of relevant history and support
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Feb 26, 2024, 11:28 AM
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The 'tons of relevant history' is largely all under one single excellent coaching hire they made 30 years ago.
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Legend [18949]
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If you want a good look at a lunatic fringe
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Feb 26, 2024, 5:38 AM
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Look in the mirror.
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I mean this is what stupid gets you, people.
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Feb 26, 2024, 7:35 AM
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Michigan State has like 25 years in a row NCAAT appearances and Brad has 3 out of 13. The fact that Cobbnoxious makes this comparison says it all.
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Re: I mean this is what stupid gets you, people.
Feb 26, 2024, 8:40 AM
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Given our basketball history, maybe the difference between the programs runs deeper than the HC?
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Of course it does I never said it doesnt. But we
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Feb 26, 2024, 8:46 AM
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Also don’t have to accept mediocrity. That cuts every which way. We need to invest more, prioritize more etc. and I think it means we need a different coach. It upsets me that some people are so polar thinking it’s all this or all that. It’s everything and there is no reason to accept the hand we are dealt. We can improve.
And this has little to do with the initial post which is just idiotic
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Great, so Boston College football fans should be mad they aren't in the CFP?***
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Feb 26, 2024, 11:20 AM
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CU Medallion [57969]
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And yet they fired Addazio, after only 7 years, half as long as Brad's tenure.
Feb 26, 2024, 1:55 PM
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He was, like Brad, mediocre and around 0.500
You picked a stupid example. Or maybe you tried but couldn't find any other D1 school that would hang on to a mediocre coach for 14 years.
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This is a straw man. BC fans can have whatever expectations they want
Feb 26, 2024, 3:11 PM
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but Clemson fans aren't "mad" they aren't in the Final Four. It is clearly about a long track record of average results with no belief that it will improve (and as always, I'm not saying how I feel about it...just saying that you shouldn't create positions that aren't being put forward just so you can win an argument.)
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Re: I mean this is what stupid gets you, people.
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Feb 26, 2024, 10:18 AM
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From YAHOO Finance/ ESPN studies:
While investment is crucial, winning often precedes significant investment. Successful programs attract more resources, including better recruits, improved facilities, and increased fan support.
Winning creates a positive feedback loop: Success on the court leads to increased revenue (ticket sales, merchandise, etc.), which, in turn, allows for further investment in the program2.
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They are EVERYWHERE. Some around here want Dabo fired.***
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Feb 26, 2024, 8:44 AM
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110%er [5684]
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Brad will never be as successful as Izzo. Dumb argument.***
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Feb 26, 2024, 9:03 AM
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That's almost as ludicrous as people...
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Feb 26, 2024, 9:07 AM
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...wanting Dabo fired.
Lunatic fringe fans are at every university.
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Re: That's almost as ludicrous as people...
Feb 26, 2024, 2:29 PM
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Yes, but do they all have a clubhouse like we do?
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Any Clemson fan would wouldnt trade coaches with
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Feb 26, 2024, 9:10 AM
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Mich State… and hand pack Brownell’s bags and moving van…. Is a straight up glue sniffing moron
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Re: The Lunatic Fringe Has A Chapter In East Lansing
Feb 26, 2024, 9:48 AM
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They are currently a bubble team and always seem to be over hyped pre season. Living off their history right now. I’m surprised they have not called for this sooner. Bball is huge a Mich St and 17-10 won’t cut it at a place like that. Last 4-5 years probably are considered subpar, one Sweet 16 and records not overly impressive.
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Re: The Lunatic Fringe Has A Chapter In East Lansing
Feb 26, 2024, 10:13 AM
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Jun 4, 2015, 12:57 PM ET
COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Clemson fired longtime baseball coach Jack Leggett on Thursday after the Tigers' second straight 0-2 appearance in the NCAA tournament.
Leggett led Clemson to 955 victories, six College World Series trips in 22 seasons and a legacy as one of college baseball's top coaches.
However, the Tigers have not reached Omaha, Nebraska, since 2010 and have gone 5-10 in their past five NCAA tournament trips, including getting swept out of regionals in 2014 and 2015.
The Tigers were 32-29 this past season, losing both games at the Fullerton Regional last weekend. A year ago, Clemson lost two straight at the Nashville Regional.
Clemson athletic director Dan Radakovich met with Leggett earlier this week to assess the team's progress and future.
"After my evaluation, it came down to this: I think we can be better," said Radakovich, who informed Leggett of the dismissal earlier Thursday.
Leggett, 61, did not immediately respond to messages from The Associated Press.
Clemson had been one of the best in college baseball for much of Leggett's tenure.
Leggett took over for the late Bill Wilhelm in 1994 and continued his predecessor's success -- Wilhelm led Clemson to six College World Series trips between 1958-93 -- with the Tigers.
Leggett's team, led by future Major League Baseball pitchers Kris Benson and Billy Koch, reached the College World Series in 1995 and 1996. His teams also went to Omaha in 2000, 2002, 2006 and 2010.
But since then, the Tigers have had a drastic postseason drop-off. They had not hosted an NCAA regional (Clemson held 11 in Leggett's first 18 seasons) since 2011.
Perhaps worst of all for Clemson fans was the rise of rival South Carolina, which won national titles in 2010 and 2011.
Leggett's win totals slid from 40 in 2013 to 36 last year and 32 this season. His program came under scrutiny from Radakovich last season, the AD opting to retain the coach while putting him on notice there had to be significant improvement.
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Re: The Lunatic Fringe Has A Chapter In East Lansing
Feb 26, 2024, 10:17 AM
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There's a possibility that "the game has passed him by"?
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Orange Blooded [2479]
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Re: The Lunatic Fringe Has A Chapter In East Lansing
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Feb 26, 2024, 2:08 PM
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What an idiot. They don't want him fired for a single loss. They want him fired for TEN losses when he ought to be running Big Ten basketball.
When a guy can't get it done anymore, an organization does well to let him go.
When a guy could never get it done to start with, and is kept on board for 14 years, an organization would be stupid not to let him go.
The only lunatics are the ones crying to give him "one more season."
It's got to be depressing to be no longer relevant, so much so that you insist on radical bad takes to stay in the spotlight. Think Woody Paige or Skip Bayless. That's Cobb Oxford.
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Do not breathlessly run here to post about an unspecified number of TWITTER
Feb 26, 2024, 3:07 PM
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reactions to a painful loss by sports fans of a basketball team in Michigan and then call other people "lunatics."
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Re: The Lunatic Fringe Has A Chapter In East Lansing
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Feb 26, 2024, 6:29 PM
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Does their fan website have unhinged posters with multiple accounts to make it look like they’re more than one person?
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Get back to me when
Feb 26, 2024, 7:12 PM
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Brownell has the same credentials as Izzo.
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