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Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Portal.
Not sure how many guys at Clemson will enter the portal because they now understand that if they want to win the national championship they need to be in the P2.
"Why stay at Clemson? Even a 13-0 ACC champ wasn't good enough to make the cut. Come play with us where you have a chance."
But, just to give you food for thought, FSU just lost our "other" starting DE. Patrick Payton is a stud. Redshirt sophomore. Would probably be a day 2 pick if he went to NFL draft this year.
We've lost a few more to the portal, but most of them were due to being buried on the depth chart. Not Payton.
Can't help but wonder how many guys are being lured away from ACC because it is being sold as "just another G5 conference."
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Dec 5, 2023, 8:48 PM
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Good observation Bret. Sad but very true.
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Mukuba, Collins, Mickens.
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Dec 5, 2023, 8:50 PM
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I wonder how much Sunday had a part in their decisions. Others?
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I dont think fsu had anything to do with their decisions***
Dec 5, 2023, 10:53 PM
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Zero implications from Sunday.
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Dec 5, 2023, 8:52 PM
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These guys are thinking about one thing.
Getting paid.
They ain’t worried about getting left out of a playoff due to a QB injury.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Dec 5, 2023, 8:54 PM
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That’s the deepest cut the committee dealt to the conference. There is no clear path to a national championship in the ACC.
Head shaking that more people haven’t put this terrible reality together, but hey…expanded playoff..right?
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The 4 conference champs receive auto bids and BYEs
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Dec 5, 2023, 8:58 PM
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All you have to do is win your conference in you are in.
Sure, the ACC may only get 2 spots out of the 12. But just win the ACC. You get in. And you get a bye.
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Re: The 4 conference champs receive auto bids and BYEs
Dec 5, 2023, 9:02 PM
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Why are you saying the ACC will get 2 spots in the 12 team playoff? After Sunday it's almost a certainty that the ACC and the Big 12 will get 1 each, only due to the qualifier of winning the championship.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Dec 5, 2023, 9:00 PM
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Which probably means the ACC will get a qualifying champion in, while the SEC and Big10 at least 4 each.
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The point isthe ACC wont be left out.
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Dec 5, 2023, 9:08 PM
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I agree that SEC will likely get 4 in.
But nobody is transferring due to that. They transferring to get PAiD.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
Dec 5, 2023, 8:58 PM
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And where would FSU and Clemson go? Have they been invited by either SEC or Big10?
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That may be the biggest consequence of Sunday.
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:10 PM
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SEC and B1G realize they don't need to expand. They've got everything they need right now.
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Re: That may be the biggest consequence of Sunday.
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You meant SEC and B1G I know. Thats really it. There’s no driving force for either conference to expand further. They will receive up to 3/4 of the invitations under the 12-team format. More teams added to their conference provides less/no incremental value.
The committee has set a standard for the marginalization of the third best remaining conference, which will further widen and accelerate the financial disparity that already exists, not only for the ACC but for everyone not in the B1G or SEC.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Dec 5, 2023, 9:00 PM
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I bet a lot of guys look at their ON3 NIL value and think that is what everyone is getting paid. Grass is always greener when you only believe what you want to and think with $$ signs and not facts.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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A buddy of mine warns to be careful before you hop that fence to get to the greener grass because the devil will have beat you on the jump and will have missed all over that grass before you land on it.
This would seem to be applicable to those guys just looking for a pay check by transferring.
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It wasn't Clemson that was left out,it wasn't the ACC
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Dec 5, 2023, 9:01 PM
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It was FSU, because, read slowly. THEY COULD NOT PUT BAMA IN AND LEAVE TEXAS OUT. Travis' injury was just a convenient excuse.
They did not expect FSU,Texas and Washington to all WIN
Texas had to beat Oklahoma State Twice
Oregon were favored
FSU were down to QB 3
If they thought it'd work out this way, FSU would have been dropped to 5 the previous week.
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Re: It wasn't Clemson that was left out,it wasn't the ACC
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Dec 5, 2023, 9:11 PM
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Just more excuses for E$ECPN. It made more sense to leave Texas out and have FSU at #3 and Bama at #4 than what happened.
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Interesting
Dec 5, 2023, 9:10 PM
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Interesting thought. I could envision some programs making that pitch. I just don't see any kid buying it.
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Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one.
Dec 5, 2023, 9:10 PM
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I don’t believe it has anything to do with the Playoff picks. Instead I believe it has to do with playing time and NIL.
The portal taketh the question (for Clemson) is does the portal giveth. (And I don’t mean 1 or 2 guys). There’s over a thousand guys in the portal and we have maybe one offer out there? That means we’re not serious about it yet. We should have offered 25 guys by now.
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Re: Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one.
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We have two schollys open, no way possible to offer large numbers in the portal
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Not true. How did Coach Swinney put it? Oh yeah, prune.***
Dec 7, 2023, 1:16 PM
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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You are one of the few that can whine on here about this. I don’t care how many games you won, you limped through the last 2 with 2 different QB’s and looked like crap. The committee didn’t think you belonged, I don’t think you belonged, 80% of America agrees you guys aren’t a top 4 team. It has nothing to do with the ACC, you guys simply aren’t a top 4 team. End of story
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Agreed.***
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Bama looked like #### against Auburn and beat a good but not great UGA by 3 with their 2 best players hobbled. That moves Bama up 4 spots and UGA down 5 spots?? And FSU wins by 10 against the 15th best team and drops 1 spot?
That’s North Korea math.
We have a private entity CFP not in any way part of the NCAA deciding the playoffs. I wish someone would dig deep and find out where their funding comes from. I’d bet a hundy ESPN is in the bed.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
Dec 5, 2023, 9:33 PM
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You can go back through my post and see that the committee did exactly what I said Saturday night and Sunday. I’m not on the take, it’s how me and most of America felt. Alabama knocked Georgia off in the title, Michigan was undefeated and full strength, Washington is undefeated and full strength, Texas won and beat Bama so they got in. FSU beat a bunch of crappy teams and then lost not 1 but 2 QB’s. They hobbled around almost losing to Louisville (clearly a team that sucks) and they have no offense. I cannot for the life of me imagine what you and others see that makes you believe they are even a top 10 team let alone a title contender. It’s not that hard
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Why are you so intent on putting down the ACC teams? I am confident that
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Dec 5, 2023, 9:41 PM
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Louisville is better than Auburn, who had Bama beat and just gave them a gift!
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Re: Why are you so intent on putting down the ACC teams? I am confident that
Dec 5, 2023, 9:44 PM
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The game is 60 minutes. No such thing as having another team beat. Alabama continued to play the game all 60 minutes of it and Auburn quit thinking they won. They lost, Bama won and it’s all anyone remembers is how they came back and didn’t quit.
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You defeated your own previous argument. Precisely why a 13-0 deserves it.***
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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I said the same thing. Portaling has zero to do with Sunday. #### some of these guys will end up at schools that won’t sniff a playoff.
FSU was bad luck nothing more nothing less. Had Travis stayed healthy or had FSU throttled a good team in the championship game then I see it going to FSU. If they were thinking of going this route they should have taken FSU out of the top 4 a week sooner, but like everyone I did want to see what happened in that last game.
#### with what Auburn did with Bama. Bama beat Georgia and Texas throttled their BigXII championship opponent. I will always believe the right decision was made and I’m die hard Clemson fan which is currently associated with the ACC. Had it been Clemson it would have been a tough pill to swallow but have watched enough sports to know Clemson nor FSU had anything for the top 4 with their 2nd or 3rd string QB’s.
Nothing against FSU or you Bret. You are one of my favorite posters on this board but this is a message board and we are all free to share our opinions. I do respect your opinion just differ when it comes to this one.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Dec 5, 2023, 9:29 PM
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It cost the ACC a minimum of $6 million and from what I read ESecPN will make $150 million more with Bama in rather than FSU. Calculated on estimated gained/lost viewership.
The state of Florida needs to bury Disney in a Swamp down there.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:26 PM
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Ya’ll gullible.
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Is that to say acc kids transfer out while other conference kids transfer in?***
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Wrong. 12 team playoff from now on. Win your conference and youre in***
Dec 6, 2023, 7:16 AM
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3 times since the first CFP rankings would 2 ACC teams
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Dec 6, 2023, 9:39 AM
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have made the playoffs under a 12 team format. Several other times the ACC was 1 spot from getting a 2nd or 3rd team. Last year the B12 would have taken 3(based on membership alignment next year for the 12 teams ranked). The times the ACC barely missed getting a 2nd or 3rd team, 3 losses. If you win the league you are in. If you finish with 2 losses you are more than likely in. 3 and you’re most likely out. Louisville would have made a 12 team this year had they not blown the game vs UK. Who knows, a higher ranked UL team vs FSU could have swayed another voter in FSU favor. Would love to know one day what the final vote was.
When you have a team run the table like Clemson did so many years it’s going to reduce the odds of others getting in from the conf due to the auto losses Clemson is handing out to others. FSU brand being down for so long doesn’t help. Winning more non-conf games like FSU over LSU and Miami over TAM by your brand programs is the way to win those battles for a 2nd or 3rd league team in this 9-12 at large ranking spots
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Dec 6, 2023, 11:14 AM
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It to be harsh, but I believe being left out of the CFP has had no effect. More so….live by the portal, die by the portal. A player that is not loyal will continue to not be loyal. Why is that not a surprise.
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Judging by the committee's comments on Sunday
Dec 6, 2023, 11:20 AM
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It seems they were going to pull the lever to leave FSU out regardless, perhaps expecting them to lose to Louisville, but when they won anyway they said the h*ll with that we're doing it anyway
I might have to wear some garnet and gold for the Orange Bowl. Really hope FSU beats them dawgs
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Bret, your post is nonsense.
FSU being left out has nothing to do w ACC.
If FSU had beat the number one team in the nation, and Alabama (with their third string quarterback) had beaten a mediocre team in a less than impressive manner, then FSU would be in the playoff.
When you continue this whining narrative, all you were doing is convincing FSU players that they can’t win in Tallahassee. This has nothing to do with Clemson.
Stop the whining. Go buy some Christmas presents and drink some eggnog.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Any player on Clemson's roster holding the belief that they cannot compete for a national championship at Clemson would suggest a dereliction of coaching that would be so astonishing as to be completely unrealistic.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
Dec 6, 2023, 11:49 AM
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I think one thing that would have helped Clemson, if it had been Clemson in this situation, would be Clemsons track record in the CFP up to this point.
I wonder if it were Clemson in FSUs boat, if the CFP committee would have looked at Clemson and the success they’ve had in the CFP era and if that would of swayed their decision any.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
Dec 6, 2023, 12:02 PM
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In a 4-team playoff and 5 Power 5 conferences, 1 or 2 conferences will always be left out. It becomes 2 when 1 conference gets 2 spots like happened when both GA and ALA were in the playoffs at the same time. Most of the time, it has been the PAC 12 who has been left out. Even so, USC, WA, OR, UCLA, etc. have still managed to recruit pretty well, so not sure how much recruits really value getting to the playoffs. Most top prospects value TV exposure and like staffs with former NFL coaches.
I think going to the 12-team playoff next year where the ACC will have at least 1 representative with a good chance to get at least 1 more, will negate some of the negative effect of not having its champion chosen this year. Prior to this year, the ACC was represented in 7 of the 9 CFB playoffs so another reason why this doesn't seem like a big issue to me.
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I think everyone just needs to back away and take a deep breath....
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The over-reaction to what happened to FSU and the CFP is getting to the point of maudlin despair by some that are resulting in some seeing things and a future that just aren't there...
Taking a one year view of the CFP and ignoring the other 8 years of the CFP as if it didn't exist is not being intellectually honest or reflecting upon the truth of the CFP system. In its CFP totality, the ACC, and Clemson in particular, has fared very well during the CFP playoff era. Anyway you slice it - Clemson and the ACC have been treated fairly by the CFP Committee - including this year where an 8-4 Clemson is ranked inside the top 25 where the other two prominent polls (AP and Coaches) place us outside the top 25.
What happened this year with FSU is not some continuation of a biased CFP Committee trend towards the ACC, but a one time occurrence that will never happen again due to the implementation of the new 12 team CFP format next year. In our rush to condemning the current CFP selections - let's not forget that had the ACC not fought against the 12 team CFP proposal in the summer of 2021 - it would have gone into effect this year and FSU would be in the playoffs right now as a P5 Conference Champ.
The major flaw in the current 4 team CFP is that it has always guaranteed at least one P5 Champion will not get in the CFP and practically mandates that subjectivity and an "eyeball" test be applied to determine who is left out. Practically any comparison of the P5 conferences requires a level of subjectivity because without on-field, head to head results of all the P5 Champs there is no factual data to prove who is the best. So the 4 team CFP has no choice but to rely on, records, metrics (such as SOS which is also affected by subjectivity) and established subjective criteria in a "less than perfect" comparison of teams from different conferences. For better or worse the Conferences all agreed to this "less than perfect" 4 team CFP system where subjective judgements of P5 Champions is baked into the cake.
The 12 team CFP format fixes the major shortcoming of a Power Conference Champion getting left out of the CFP. Starting next year, every Power Conference champion is guaranteed a spot in the CFP - no passing of the eyeball test required.
Be honest - P5 Champs are the ONLY teams that SHOULD be guaranteed a spot in the CFP and all this bellyaching and "woe is me" over who else, and what conferences may/may not get a majority of the remaining non-Conference Champ CFP spots is, quite frankly, white noise at this time. If you are the ACC Champ and are really the best team in College Football then you will simply beat whoever from whatever conference you face on the field.
So please folks - take a breath and have some faith in Dabo and his new top notch staff when it comes to recruiting future Clemson players. I'd say Dabo's track record during the CFP era has been extremely good and that he is more than capable of countering false narratives and negative recruiting practices from other schools/conferences.
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Re: I think everyone just needs to back away and take a deep breath....
Dec 6, 2023, 8:51 PM
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Very well said.....
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Three years from now, none of this will matter. The top teams will be in two divisions with a different set of rules. The two divisions will not be under control by the B1G and SEC. They will be named something like East and West. Thinking new tv contracts, new rules, everything different than it is now. Not all members in the existing B1G and SEC will be included in the two new divisions. There is no need to worry about the GOR because UNC, FSU, and Clemson will be in one of the two new divisions.
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I hope you are right. I think you are.
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Maybe a little wrong on the details, but right in the grand scheme.
After Sunday, my concern is the SEC and B1G will decide they don't need to add (or subtract) any teams to form that super-division. They can just say, "We are who we are." So what if they have Vandy and MS ST and UK? So what if they have NW and Indiana and Iowa? So what if they don't have FSU or Clemson or UNC? They don't need those schools. They could break away just as they are now.
I don't think they will, but after Sunday I'm considering the possibility they might.
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IMO - definitely a factor. Not sure how much.
Dec 6, 2023, 9:01 PM
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Probably depends on the player.
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Re: IMO - definitely a factor. Not sure how much.
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Well boys CFB was nice while it lasted, they’re intentionally killing the acc, death by 1000 cuts.
I’ll never forget the pinnacle with walk ons on the field against the big bad sec/Bama in the 4th quarter of the natty in 2018 (we could’ve scored much more) as we dismantled Bama. We too deep is borderline impossible now. Walk ons and home grown and developed talent will become a thing of the past.
Those days may never return due to this new Wild West system, no value in education, and Disney is vying for monopoly control of college football narratives and eyeballs. One needs only to follow the money.
The goal is not the best or the most deserving teams. It’s for the most money. And they have all the cards to manipulate the system.
I do hope I’m wrong, but the writing has been on the wall and it’s all unfolding before our eyes.
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Norvell led FSU doesn't carry this much weight.
Dec 7, 2023, 2:27 AM
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FSU fan can be upset all you want to be. Stop pretending this FSU team of mercs has or will have any,ANY impact on a Dabo led Clemson Team. You're getting delusional @bretfsu. CFP got it right every year in regards to Clemson. And they got it right with your FSU team.
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The portal gives new meaning to the expression - wait until next year
Dec 7, 2023, 4:21 AM
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With the emphasis on just HOW BAD a team may be with the EXODUS of players through the portal.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
Dec 7, 2023, 6:15 AM
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Good take, Bret.......and it's gonna get worse as the ACC continues to implode with Administrators who continually shoot themselves in the foot. Sad to watch. The ACC died from the top down, and the corruption and decay from poor management began years ago under Swofford and continues to this day.
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
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Dec 7, 2023, 12:26 PM
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We've won 2 Natty's with CFP, it's FSU that choked
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Zero impact***
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Dec 7, 2023, 12:27 PM
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Re: Consequences of the CFP Sunday activity.
Dec 7, 2023, 1:28 PM
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I agree with most of what's being posted here. And I can see where some would transfer to play, get a championship, get paid or just hang out playing football for another year before I go out and get a real job.
How does 13 (at last count this morning) leaving Ohio St factor into this? Already in the P2. Already have a shot at a championship. I'm sure the Buckeye's are coming off the hip to stay competitive. I know there's not one specific reason that applies. But I don't understand lateral moves in all this. Yesterday someone post that in 2021, only 50% of the transfers were picked up by another team. The other fifty went to non-NCAA programs, left the sport entirely or withdrew from the portal. What's the motivation? just money?
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