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Book banning/censoring etc in school and libraries
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Book banning/censoring etc in school and libraries

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Apr 5, 2024, 11:48 AM
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Hot topic. Curious as to people's thoughts not on your personal beliefs about offensive books (the current target is LGBTQ+/transgender stuff) but on banning them in public schools and libraries.

What I think a lot of conservatives forget is that if "we" can get books banned/censored and keep people with certain political beliefs or sexual orientations off of library or school boards, then what's to prevent the "other side" from doing the same, and banning books that, for example, discuss Christianity or de-transitioning and such? Or keeping Christians or maybe someone who used to be gay but is no longer from serving on a board? I don't know that there's anything to keep that from happening. So we have to think long term and multi-faceted about these things, and not just have knee-jerk political reactions like Desantis did down in Florida.

I do think it's totally fair to not have these topics in the children's sections, and to keep them in the adult sections. But it's also not accurate to blanket label it as banning or censoring. These books are still easily available online or in stores like Barnes & Noble or 2nd & Charles. There's no big gov't banning or censoring of the topics. Just an effort to limit their availability to our children, whose minds are not nearly developed or educated enough to properly process this stuff.

Whatever you think should happen, remember any action taken by one political/moral side can also at some point be reciprocated by the other political/moral side. A precedent is created. And that can be dangerous.

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This is one side I agree with the right on. The books in question weren't

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Apr 5, 2024, 11:57 AM
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simply LGBTQ+ books, some had literal graphic sex depictions. I (unfortunately) looked at one of the books in question and it absolutely does not belong in the children's section.

If you don't want #### in the children section, you don't want these particular books either.

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Yep - I'm all for free speech and don't like the idea of the government

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Apr 5, 2024, 12:06 PM
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restricting what I can read or view. I'm not a child however, and parents should be able to shield children from things they feel are inappropriate. When I see people pushing to have certain books and materials available to children in libraries, stores, and schools, they aren't so much interested in free speech or freedoms or rights at all; I think they have a personal social agenda in most cases.

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Re: Book banning/censoring etc in school and libraries

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Apr 5, 2024, 12:23 PM
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I think the left pressuring book sellers like Amazon or B&N not to sell books just because they disagree with their ideology is much more problematic and akin to what we think of when using terms like "book bans" than the right removing #### from school libraries. Removing sexually explicit books from libraries to prevent six year olds from reading them is in no way analogous to banning or censoring anything. The attempts to wholesale silence differing opinions from society, however, which the left very openly supports is exactly that.

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The big issue imo

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Apr 5, 2024, 12:32 PM
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is who is doing the banning. When like 8 people are submitting 90% of the complaints and some don't have children in the school district, I call BS. If parents in a school district want to get together and decide, that seems reasonable.

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This is why representative government (is supposed) to work for us

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Apr 7, 2024, 11:50 AM
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Your solution is wrong for the same reason that it is wrong for private citizens to vote on every single legislative proposal.

Private citizens simply don’t have the time to individually review and study these legislative proposals because their daily lives are occupied with time consuming activities such as working at their jobs + running their households.

Therefore, people elect representatives to do this ‘review and study of legislative proposals’ for them.

Accordingly, the voters elect politicians who they believe support their views.

With respect to ‘censoring’ of selected topics in the public schools, the people in some states have elected representatives that have the authority to investigate and, if appropriate, remove / disallow material from public school libraries that, in their judgement, should not belong.

Public schools have screamed about what they proclaim to be censorship. B.S. The public schools exist to serve the needs of the citizenry; the citizenry votes into office those representatives that they believe represents their wishes. In other words, the elected representatives are ‘the management,’ the public schools are the ‘employee,’ and the citizenry is the ‘board of directors.’

(*). It is perfectly appropriate … I’d categorize it as an imperative … for our elected representatives to have the power to demand that public schools remove from the public schools those ‘educational’ materials which they don’t believe belong in the public schools.

(*). The citizenry views LGBTQ+ materials in the public schools as undesirable. Thus, the elected representatives should see to it that such materials should be banned from said schools.
(*). The citizenry does not have such overwhelming opposition to the presence of most religious material in the public schools. Thus, the elected representatives should not ban these materials from said schools.

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Re: This is why representative government (is supposed) to work for us


Apr 9, 2024, 10:49 AM
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Your solution is wrong for the same reason that it is wrong for private citizens to vote on every single legislative proposal.

Private citizens simply don’t have the time to individually review and study these legislative proposals because their daily lives are occupied with time consuming activities such as working at their jobs + running their households.

Therefore, people elect representatives to do this ‘review and study of legislative proposals’ for them.

Accordingly, the voters elect politicians who they believe support their views.

With respect to ‘censoring’ of selected topics in the public schools, the people in some states have elected representatives that have the authority to investigate and, if appropriate, remove / disallow material from public school libraries that, in their judgement, should not belong.

Public schools have screamed about what they proclaim to be censorship. B.S. The public schools exist to serve the needs of the citizenry; the citizenry votes into office those representatives that they believe represents their wishes. In other words, the elected representatives are ‘the management,’ the public schools are the ‘employee,’ and the citizenry is the ‘board of directors.’

(*). It is perfectly appropriate … I’d categorize it as an imperative … for our elected representatives to have the power to demand that public schools remove from the public schools those ‘educational’ materials which they don’t believe belong in the public schools.

(*). The citizenry views LGBTQ+ materials in the public schools as undesirable. Thus, the elected representatives should see to it that such materials should be banned from said schools.
(*). The citizenry does not have such overwhelming opposition to the presence of most religious material in the public schools. Thus, the elected representatives should not ban these materials from said schools.


Do not confuse him with how our republic works

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Re: Book banning/censoring etc in school and libraries

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Apr 6, 2024, 3:44 PM
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If the people managing and making decisions at the public and school libraries are so incompetent that they can't review a book and determine what's appropriate for children, they are the problem. Fix or remove the problem and put the questionable books in the adult sections.

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Age appropriate matters, but


Apr 7, 2024, 2:41 PM
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banning books is first cousin to burning witches.

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No one is keeping liberal parents from giving their children


Apr 7, 2024, 4:00 PM
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whatever books they want.

When dolts on the left say “the right is banning books”. They are lying. Keeping ghey buttsecs books out of kindergarten libraries seems reasonable.

Or allow the books…and guns in the public library, nO BANs on anything!!!!

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It's apparent how uninformed those who ham-handedly support it are

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Apr 8, 2024, 8:49 AM
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The ones in this thread advocating for it have done little research, and if they had, they'd realize the problem.

Sure, of course, we don't need little children in elementary school looking at pornographic material. Or other work that's sexually explicit. Books should adhere to the reading and maturity level of the students. I wouldn't advocate for Catcher in the Rye or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest to be in the elementary school mix, either.

But this is the excuse the banners use, and those who won't take time to do a little research get full derped and ham-handedly agree because "deeerrr sex is bad".

This movement is pushed by Moms for Liberty, a group founded by people who are immoral deviants in their own right (go look it up). They're a group that's also aligned itself with Proud Boys and other white nationalists, and fairly recently used a Hitler quote in a newsletter.

If they truly only cared about sexually explicit books in elementary schools and they met with elected leaders in a democratic setting to fix the problem, that would be fine. But that's not what they do. Here's how they operate, and they've already done it to some SC districts.

-Find where they can get one of their backed candidates to easily win in a district. Push to secure a simple majority. Their candidate must be loyal to M4L, but M4L and the candidate will publicly deny any connection even though the candidate will regularly attend and speak at their meetings.
-Once the simple majority on the board is secured, hold secret meetings that exclude the other board members. These meetings are illegal but nobody has held anyone accountable yet.
-Concoct plans to have mass firings of current district officials without warning in board meetings, giving the public no opportunity to question or push back.
-Install officials who are friendly to M4L.

That's not democracy, people, and if you think this practice is fine, you're just a partisan hack.

They back hateful and racist candidates; one M4L board member, at a rally, in Charleston threatened to show up to a teacher's house with a gun if he found out the teacher was trans.

Once they have this control, they work through threats and intimidation of anyone in the community or public schools who opposes them.

They use a few select books, such as All Boys Aren't Blue, as a guise to secure their real goal: Eliminate anything from high schools (this is their real target, not elementary schools) that touches upon issues of equality for minorities and LGBTQ people. Hell, at least Remember The Danny, our resident ammoral scumbag who believes school shootings were faked the government, knows what they want and has done his research. In this thread, he flat out says LGBTQ books should be banned because the majority doesn't want them in there, thus contributing to discrimination against those students.

M4L uses a website that can pull certain phrases from books and then call for them to be banned without any context behind the novel. I could easily do the same thing with the Bible or other classic works of literature. Are we going to ban Farewell to Arms because I can find a passage where the narrator has a discussion with Catherine about ####### her?

And thus, it's a small group of people submitting all the complaints, arguing that THEY get to decide what other people's kids get to read. But their ultimate goal is control and suppression of any idea that isn't white, straight, and Christian.

We have a M4L woman on our street who is thankfully moving. She used to be cordial with neighbors until the moment she joined that organization. Then she stopped talking to people and started trying to stick her nose into parents' business in our neighborhood over how they were raising their kids, even filing a report against one family that turned out to be BS.

These people are the worst. They want to control and tell YOU how to raise your children. It's not about sex books. Thankfully they've lost some clout after their founders' scandal (see below).

So if you've just looked at the surface of this issue and said, "Der herp, yeah, I don't want the kiddies reading ####!" then you really aren't informed on it and it's time you start doing some research.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/moms-liberty-founder-faces-calls-resignation-school-board/story?id=107071594#:~:text=Bridget%20Ziegler%20admitted%20to%20police,woman%20approximately%20a%20dozen%20times.

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The Proud Boys are not white nationalists...

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Apr 8, 2024, 12:00 PM
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so everything else you said has been thrown out for lazy research.

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They are


Apr 8, 2024, 12:26 PM
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They do a very poor job of trying to pretend they're not, and those of you who support them do as well.

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Im not a white nationalist. Nor am I white.***


Apr 8, 2024, 12:29 PM
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Sure.***


Apr 8, 2024, 1:10 PM
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Apr 9, 2024, 1:39 PM [ in reply to It's apparent how uninformed those who ham-handedly support it are ]
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What precipitated your decade- long absence from TNet?

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Decided I needed a break


Apr 9, 2024, 2:02 PM
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Would lurk a bit and post maybe once in a while. Got sucked back in and here I am.

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