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Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 7, 2023, 4:11 PM
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I'm really struggling to understand the real issue here. Let's take it at face value. Any culture that is so fragile not to be able to withstand 3-4 players coming from the outside each season to try and make your team better might not be as solid as it needs to be.
Dabo says part of his culture is to take these young men and prepare them to succeed in the world and in life. About 97% of these guys will never see an NFL field unless they buy a ticket. And those that do make it may have a career that only lasts the average of about 4 years. Living in the Clemson bubble as an athlete is not the real world. They are coddled at every turn and treated like football royalty for however long they are with the program.
The real world is dog eat dog. The real world is learning to compete effectively because fierce competition for jobs, promotions, salaries, wealth, success, power, popularity, etc. is all based on staying one step ahead of the competition on a daily basis. And by the way, people don't play by the rules in the real world either, so you better have some really thick skin and tenacity to deal with it.
My point is, if you really want to prepare these young men to make a difference in the world and lead great lives, you better teach them how to compete against everything and everyone and to fight fiercely for what they want out of life. Removing competition from the outside to make them feel better about themselves is not teaching them a realistic world view of what is to come and to me, it is not representative of a healthy culture.
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Re: Solid***
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Sep 7, 2023, 6:02 PM
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Dabo has players that nearly killed a postal worker because they were going mach 90 on the highway. I don't think Dabo's culture is the culture he thinks it is.
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Re: Solid***
Sep 7, 2023, 6:45 PM
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Both of those players had their PT / snap count cut way back; both of those players then decided on their own that Clemson wasn’t a good fit for them anymore.
Pray for the safety of postal workers in Charlottesville, VA and Orlando, FL.
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A coot wouldn't have missed.***
Sep 8, 2023, 7:06 AM
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 7, 2023, 4:19 PM
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He is trying to preserve the unique selling point Clemson has in recruiting that he is loyal to the players he recruits.
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 7, 2023, 4:23 PM
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Then, I guess he must be about the only loyal coach left in CFB. Good intentions for sure, but becoming less and less effective as a selling point. The game and the rules are just changing too much and too fast to hold on to something that may actually wind up creating more harm for the program than good.
We have so much more to offer than this that should matter a lot more to recruits.
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 7, 2023, 7:03 PM
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What’s right isn’t always popular, and what’s popular isn’t always right.
An entity in a competitive environment (we typically think of private business in this context) strives to create USPs … Unique Selling Propositions … to favorably distinguish itself from its competitors.
Clemson’s culture is our USP.
We don’t outbid the high rollers on NIL deals.
We don’t cut so-so players in order to import hired guns to take their place.
We offer a legitimate chance for walk-on players to receive a year to year scholarship if their performance is good enough.
(Don’t laugh at the walk-on aspect. Let’s forget about H.Renfrow for a minute. Chandler Catanzaro was a walk on. Years ago, David Treadwell was a walk on. Both ended up as multi year NFL place kickers. Our long snappers are almost always walk-on players who then earned a scholarship. We attract a lot of skilled non-scholarship kids that other schools would miss out on because Clemson is viewed as a place where a walk-on has a legit shot at earning a scholarship.)
Dabo has real world business experience. He recognizes how an entity that doesn’t have the most resources can position itself to compete at a high level with competitor entities that have more resources than us.
Clemson Nation is starting to forget just how fortunate we are to have a business savvy Head Coach in CDS.
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pretty simple to set aside 2-3 schollies/yr for the portal..
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without being disloyal to your recruits.
nobody's saying to strip a schollie from a current player (although some current talent doesn't warrant one). We lose players to the portal.......WHERE DO THOSE SCHOLLIES GO? the get handed to walk-ons and/or the next recruiting class.
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 7, 2023, 4:31 PM
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There is no issue. If Dabo has a player shortage, he will use the Portal.
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 7, 2023, 4:37 PM
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He doesn't have a player shortage but he does have a talent shortage in a few areas and he has yet to use it so I'm not sure where the foundation is for the point you are making.
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
Sep 8, 2023, 5:56 AM
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Recruit better… Portal help like most on here are talking about cost money.
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Giving out scholarships to the friends and Family and
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Sep 7, 2023, 6:24 PM
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Daniel crew don’t fix the shortage. There are 8/9 guys that never should be on scholarship. Those could have been portal after missing on the top high schools players in those positions like they did. This team would be older and better
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 7, 2023, 4:38 PM
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Dabo made his stance known way too early on the portal, and now we're doomed to never really use it. Part of it is that he's one of these coaches who doesn't want to admit they're wrong. The notable exception is that he'll obviously play martyr about a loss, so everyone will say, "wow, he's taking the heat so his players won't". That's a bit ingenuous though, because it's really a plea for platitudes. Fortunately, being an egomaniac is not counter to being a good head coach. We've had a lot of success for which I'm thankful, but the best years are behind us and Dabo. Winning the ACC and going to major bowls is still a fun season of football to follow, as long as you get the natty out of your head.
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 7, 2023, 6:41 PM
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School is different from work. The priorities for how the ‘boss’ of a college runs his business are different from the priorities of how the ‘boss’ of a for-profit corporation runs his business. The entire ‘business’ of a college SHOULD be to prepare students who had enrolled at the college (every one of which had been invited by the college to enroll as a student) for being successful in the ‘real world.’
(*). That so many colleges have sold out on their mission in order to create a cozy work environment for the college’s employees (via treating students as paying consumers of the college life) instead of staying true to their mission (I.e., to educate the student as opposed to contriving ways for failing students to stay in college - and thus remain as a consumer of the college’s ‘services’) is a topic for TNet’s Politics board.
Back to college as a nurturing environment whose mission is to prepare enrolled students to succeed in the ‘real world.’
A college kid who makes lousy grades in a key subject, but who doesn’t flunk out because of those lousy grades, does not lose his spot in college because the college prefers that some transfer student takes his place. Instead, the college strives to maintain the environment and academic infrastructure for the student to turn things around and achieve his academic objectives.
(Colleges have their target maximum enrollment for students in each major.)
Real life jobs (outside of pro sports) are also dog eat dog.
Clemson sincerely strives to prepare all students … athlete and non-athlete … for success in the outside world. Clemson doesn’t tell any student that their C- grades in their major allows the administration to force a change in major, or to force the student to transfer, against the student’s will.
When executed properly, the C- academic / C- athletic student will realize on his own that changing majors (or quitting the FB team) or transferring (hit the portal to find another school to play FB) is HIS choice to make.
If Clemson were to get into the habit of contriving excuses or circumstances in which an under performing FB player had ‘broken team rules’ as the rationale for booting the kid off the team, then the change to our reputation would be darn near immediately be captured and used against us in the recruiting world. There is no such negative ammunition against us; we have been known to boot very good players off the team for violating team rules.
In summary, the school environment should be inherently nurturing. That is not to suggest that America’s destructive ‘participation trophy’ philosophy has any place in colleges. No one is talking about participation trophies with respect to our FB team.
Also, Clemson does not endeavor to fool FB student athletes into believing that they’ll each make a career in the NFL. We have gone big on the P.A.W. Journey program to emphasize that preparing for the ‘real world’ is the primary focus for our FB players … not just hoping for a NFL career. If we start cheating on our own philosophy for maximizing the student athlete’s overall success in life after college is done, then we’ll pay a steep price with respect to recruiting success.
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 7, 2023, 11:57 PM
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It is a pretty weak culture that has to be insulated from the rest of the world.
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:19 AM
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Let’s cut Dabo pay down to $600,000 & then see what he does.he’s got them all fooled at Clemson. And talks his way out of it everytine. I’m tired of listening to his gab.
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
Sep 8, 2023, 6:00 AM
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The big contract came because of his success and to be sure he was not poached for bigger dollars. The way it is in this line of work. Cut him to 600 and he would get a lot better offer in 5 min. People act like Dabo gave Clemson an ultimatum.
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Did Dabo state that as the reason he doesn't recruit from...
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Sep 8, 2023, 5:52 AM
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the portal?
I'm not sure Dabo ever said that's the reason he doesn't use the portal. I don't recall anyone asking him why.
We've had a fairly good number of players enter the portal so Dabo sees some value and I know he likes the fact that a kid who isn't going to make the three deep here can get a better shot somewhere else.
I'd say if he saw a kid that fit our need and fit with the culture Clemson spent 30 years trying to reform he would offer him. I'm not sure he hasn't reached out to a few.
The fact is, we can speculate, form our wishlist and criticize Dabo openly and embarrassingly when we really don't know WTflock is going on between Dabo and the portal.
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Re: Is Dabo really worried about the portal harming his culture?
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Sep 8, 2023, 6:50 AM
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We should listen to these coot opinions, lord have mercy the week this would have been had they managed to beat the Tar Heels, they must be kicking ole Mayo man for a true missed opportunity.
The difference is if they don’t run their mouth now it won’t matter because we are going to be great, them not so much….lol
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