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TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Would have been a great time, during this interview, to question Riley about why we quit running the ball on those drives in the third and 4th quarter. Think had we done that, when Swanson kept pinning them deep with some great punting, we could have put ND away, the way the defense was playing, and gone up two scores. How many times have we seen this in the last several years that we offensively tend to get away from what has been successful getting us to where we are. Mysteriously we will run the football into the red zone and then throw three times in a row. Just glad at this point we now know that Mafah is really the better back. He had a heck of a day against ND and actually played his fastest game this year. Give him the ball and he will get the tough yards.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 8:03 AM
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Keep feeding the hot hand. Let whoever find a rhythm. The other can give him a breather. If the 2nd back gets hot, let him continue.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 11:54 AM
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I just don't understand why both of those two guys aren't in the back field every snap. Both can run over people, and that would keep opposing D guessing who will carry the ball, and it would open up the passing game bc both backs would have to be watched at all times, and then Ship is really good at catching the ball out of the back field. Both guys back there could/would cause problems for the opposing defense in 3 different ways!!!!
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 5:26 PM
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Sometimes the simple, most obvious ideas are the best ones.
I agree with you.
That the best way for our offense to function without plagues if turnovers and penalties is with a simple game plan. Scrap the RPO, minimize occasions when sideways passes for WR screens are called in first down or on third and short.
No fancy handoffs. Stop it with the QB draw (high risk for fumble play). Stick to the basic handoffs and …
Run.
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Ball.
Shipley and Mafah need to be on the field at the same time for 90% of the snaps (assuming neither is shaking off a big hit at the time).
On pass plays, either one can be the safety valve pass option while the other one has pass protection duties.
We can beat the remaining three teams on our schedule by doing this. And by not fumbling. And by avoiding false starts in the red zone. And by not fumbling. And by not locking onto the primary receiver and forcing a pass in there. And by not fumbling.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
Nov 7, 2023, 6:19 PM
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Sometimes the simple, most obvious ideas are the best ones.
I agree with you.
That the best way for our offense to function without plagues if turnovers and penalties is with a simple game plan. Scrap the RPO, minimize occasions when sideways passes for WR screens are called in first down or on third and short.
No fancy handoffs. Stop it with the QB draw (high risk for fumble play). Stick to the basic handoffs and …
Run.
The.
Ball.
Shipley and Mafah need to be on the field at the same time for 90% of the snaps (assuming neither is shaking off a big hit at the time).
On pass plays, either one can be the safety valve pass option while the other one has pass protection duties.
We can beat the remaining three teams on our schedule by doing this. And by not fumbling. And by avoiding false starts in the red zone. And by not fumbling. And by not locking onto the primary receiver and forcing a pass in there. And by not fumbling.
I think you forgot to include "By not fumbling."
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the decision that could cost coaches jobs
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Nov 7, 2023, 8:14 AM
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just like starting DJ did. grab the popcorn
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Lol. Youre a drama queen and whiner***
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 8:16 AM
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No decision needed, Mahfa should be RB1 and should have been all year.
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Shipley will start Saturday. Get your whining towel ready.***
Nov 7, 2023, 9:12 AM
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 5:27 PM
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Ditto.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Give Mafah the start and the bulk of the load without wearing him down. Bring Shipley in when needed to rest Mafah. .
I think Shipley is a great talent, but his on field maturity has to grow… He often plays overhyped, when you look at Mafah, he’s nice and steady, like some of our other backs that we’ve had, Etienne, just plays the game doesn’t get too high or too low.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 11:57 AM
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Shipley would be in the portal as soon as it opened if that was the case, and that is something that these coaches and fans do not want!!!!!!
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 1:25 PM
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Let him transfer. Kid is mediocre and bad for the locker room.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 5:29 PM
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Admit to Dad that you wrote something stupid on this message board while he has been cooking the hamburgers on the grill.
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Nobody wants to get yelled at by Ship***
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Re: Nobody wants to get yelled at by Ship***
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Nov 7, 2023, 8:23 AM
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A fine line between being a motivator and a dictator. I’m not sure his fire is being accepted well on the sidelines
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NOBODY HAS EVERY LIKED IT.
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Nov 7, 2023, 8:37 AM
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Then imagine if the entire fanbase makes memes about him.
Every game announcer talks about Will Shipley this and that.
Every national award group nominates him.
Then his jersey is sold over DJUs and CK2s
just watch how the teammates interact with SH1P during the Notre Dame game. And watch how they interact with Phil Mafah
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Re: NOBODY HAS EVERY LIKED IT.
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Dude. Did Shipley do something to you personally or someone in your family? It’s nonstop. Dude has been a warrior for Clemson literally sacrificing his health. Just let it go. Both backs are good and both should see the field. I would love to see them out there together more. Mafah should get more carries based off of Saturday, but Shipley is no slouch. If you need reminding, go watch the td against Wake last year.
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Go watch the two ND games without SH1P but with DJU and CK2
Nov 7, 2023, 10:25 AM
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then watch UGA and FSU with SH1P + the QBs
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You seem like an idiot. Are you an idiot?
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How long have you been a fan, kid?
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how long have you grown up in Clemson?
Nov 7, 2023, 10:04 AM
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or is Clemson just 4 years of your life
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sure***
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Re: NOBODY HAS EVERY LIKED IT.
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Quit trashing our players and recruits.
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welcome to TNEt. if this is your view of me
Nov 7, 2023, 10:06 AM
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you have zero clue as to what my opinions are.
Homecoming Tour
Program Changers
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Re: welcome to TNEt. if this is your view of me
Nov 7, 2023, 5:38 PM
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Sure, we have no clue about your opinions …
… except for childish posts in which you bash our good citizen star players.
That reveals the important aspects of who you are and how you think.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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If there’s 36 carries to be had, Mafah needs 24 of them and Shipley can get the other 12 to keep Phil fresh. If Shipley doesn’t like it, let him transfer. I’m over the guy. Nothing personal, I just think Mafah is CLEARLY the RB1.
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Re: Prepare yourself ...
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He should see the field. But it’s plain to see, he’s been beaten out by a better RB.
The demonic squealing and yelling at CJ and Cade left a negative impression on me.
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Re: Prepare yourself ...
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Okay; I'm not making a case for Mafah/Shipley one way or the other. Mafah's carries will probably go up, and he may start. But once Shipley is healthy he will still get a ton of carries and play a significant role, and the offense won't be that much different in that regard. It's going to be a two RB system.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 8:38 AM
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If playing time is truly earned, then Mafah should be RB1. The proof is in the pudding! Whether you go by stats or the eye test, Mafah is clearly better. Still like Shipley as he is a good back and can catch, but Mafah just runs harder and seems more determined on the field. Maybe a few packages with them both on the field, but IMHO Mafah should be RB1.
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What proof is that? Shipley has consistently outperformed Phil
Nov 7, 2023, 9:10 AM
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And that why Shipley EARNED the job. Nothing changed based on Shipley being out with an injury.
It’s gonna be funny watching you Shipley haters start crying when Shipley trots out there Saturday as the starter, as he should and will.
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This season??? No he hasnt.***
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Re: What proof is that? Shipley has consistently outperformed Phil
Nov 7, 2023, 11:33 AM
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No one is hating on Shipley, just stating facts. Love Shipley and what he's done for Clemson, but that's irrelevant. It wasn't just him being out of the ND game, it's been apparent all year that Mafah is the better runner. If they were true to their words, they'd put the best 11 out there and that means Mafah as RB1. No hate and I 'd like to see both on the field in some packages as they both have something different to offer.
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The two back set is not a cop out
Nov 7, 2023, 5:49 PM
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Too much angst about whether Shipley or Mafah should start.
The answer that is best for our new, toned-down offense is the two back set. Especially now that Antonio Williams is out, both Shipley and Mafah are Option #1 for the offense. Even Briningstool is not an Option #1 as an offensive weapon because of his position as a TE.
With the two back set -&- J.B. in the field at the same time, we have three players that may be called on for critical interior blocking, or to be deployed as the guy who gets the ball.
The name of the game in offense is to maximize occasions to get the ball into a playmaker’s hands. If we do this effectively enough, then our secondary options (our WR’s) will get open for big plays and chunk plays.
It all starts with utilization of the 2 back set.
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The real problem is that Shipley in getting too many touches esp
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Nov 7, 2023, 8:47 AM
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inside. His touches should be more out in space. Possibly he needs to change to slot? And keep returning kick offs. Run Mafah and Thomas more and Shipley less.
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Now THATS a valid point. Mafah is the power option.
Nov 7, 2023, 9:14 AM
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Shipley will start though. He earned it over 3 years, and he won’t lose it based on one game where he wasn’t able to play.
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Starts arent earned cumulatively.
Nov 7, 2023, 9:20 AM
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They’re earned season to season and game to game.
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and thats another issue with why this team
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is such ### right now on offense..coaches start by seniority and not talent. hence cade being behind because he had to ride the pine in favor of dj who sucks 10 fold..inb4 oregon state where he throws 6 yard passes and the wrs and rbs do the rest to pad his stats
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Re: The real problem is that Shipley in getting too many touches esp
Nov 7, 2023, 5:55 PM
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Shipley is better at inside runs because he is a bit quicker with lateral movement than Mafah. Quickness to adjust to hitting a ‘secondary’ crack in the line (as opposed to running straight into the [hoped for] hole that was the design of the running play) is Shipley’s forte.
Mafah’s strength is breaking the tackle attempts by LBs and DBs; his ability to do this surpasses Shipley’s ability. Mafah, however, doesn’t break the tackle attempts by a DL. Neither does Shipley. Therefore, Shipley is better at avoiding being hit by a DT or DE because he can better squeeze into those unexpected cracks in the line than any other RB on our team.
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Did Dominique Thomas get inured in the first half?
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I was surprised he wasn't on the field, at all, in the 2nd unless I missed it. Dude was grinding it and playing with purpose and seemed he would have been a needed spell for Mafah to help keep #7 a little fresher there in the closing minutes. You could tell Mafah was gassed late and that fumble was a telltale sign. Love that he gave it his all like he did but at some point you start setting ourselves up for failure going to the well too often.
Go Tigers! Beat the Bees!
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Re: Did Dominique Thomas get inured in the first half?
Nov 7, 2023, 6:00 PM
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I agree with you entirely.
D.Thomas showed that he could get critical yardage against ND’s excellent defensive front, and could do so when the ND defense was still fresh.
Did you wonder if Clemson’s coaches had lost a bit of focus on winning the game by getting Mafah the all-time Tiger RB record for most carries in a game? Probably not, but it’s hard to completely dismiss that our coaches may have deluded themselves into ignoring the risk that a tired Mafah Man might be more likely to fumble than a fresh Quadzilla.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 9:05 AM
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There is nothing to figure out just start Mafah he deserves and has Dabo has said in the past the best players will be on the field ( or is that just coach speak).
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Spoken like a coach
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Nov 7, 2023, 9:30 AM
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who understands portal-era psychology.
I think if Shipley remains RB1, Mafah's maybe playing against Clemson next year.
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Mafah is better for this OL b/c he shows patience, vision, jump cuts.
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Nov 7, 2023, 10:36 AM
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If the OL were blowing open big holes, Shipley might be the better choice. But Ship is too impatient to let the hold develop and often running right into walls. Mafah should get the bulk of the carries.
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Mafah 2/3 of carries, Shipley to to relieve him, and get Thomas a handful
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With our lack of Oline this year, Mafah's size is needed. Ship is just too small to create a hole. DT was able to break through more than Ship. I love Ship, but Mafah needs to start and carry the load.
Ship could also play a slot receiver.
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Re: Mafah 2/3 of carries, Shipley to to relieve him, and get Thomas a handful
Nov 7, 2023, 11:05 AM
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What are the chances of seeing both of them in at the same time? Remember "Thunder' and "Lightning."?
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches***
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches***
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
Nov 7, 2023, 11:15 AM
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I haven't understood the ratio of touches between Phil and Will all season... nor the choice of where and when to use them. I admire the passion and effort that Will plays with... he's quick and fast, but he's not big and strong enough to run in the middle as much as he does. He's just too impatient and he can't break tackles that well. Using him on the goal line makes no sense either. Physics don't lie... use your muscle and weight when you need a yard. I've seen a few comments about using him in the slot. I think that's a great idea! He's got pretty good hands, so give him some space!
Phil was impressive on Saturday. Very impressive! He showed he is the better back. He should therefore be the starter, but that's not going to happen. At minimum, please "start" him in goal line situations or when we need a yard! If we don't, I will NEVER understand it!!
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
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Nov 7, 2023, 2:29 PM
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Shipley is a gritty running back, but Mafah seems to find the ability to exploit the gaps and get yards after first contact as well. At times, Shipley runs into the back of the offensive linemen and gets tackled almost immediately. I will say that Shipley has earned playing time as well as Mafah.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
Nov 7, 2023, 5:40 PM
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Just playing devil's advocate, how would the conversation be if Mafah did start and the defense is as prepared for him. Not that I expect it to happen but, if it does does Tnet nation turn on him too?
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
Nov 7, 2023, 6:03 PM
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Smart devil, that devil’s advocate is.
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Re: TNET: Riley addresses making sure Phil Mafah and Will Shipley both get touches
Nov 8, 2023, 3:40 AM
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Heeeeeyyyyy Garrett, Mafah is a big strong fast horse, you keep riding that big horse til he's tired,
and if you notice these big strong horses don't get tired, they keep getting stronger and the defenses start tiring down as the game goes on.
Ship is a great all around athlete, he has great hands and shifty moves in the open field, you and Dabo need to seriously look at putting him in the slot, he would be one hellava slot receiver just like Hunter Renfro..
Can Tyler get the word to these people!!! or anyone have a hottt line to the Coaches.
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