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Legend [18952]
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I have a theory
Sep 9, 2022, 9:34 PM
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It seems as though there are a certain group of posters, call them pumpers or whatever. But anyway, no matter what the honest criticism of the program, it's the same few folks that pump anything positive but refuse to acknowledge anything that deserves criticism.
I mean look at the offense last year. It was close to the bottom of the country and the excuses kept coming.
I look at RB recruiting and we haven't recruited a single top 100 RB recruit in the country in two years but there is a crowd who defends that which is indefensible.
My theory (or guess) is that the Clemson social media folk who are awesome at their job by the way (and thank God) are flooding TNET. Think of them as like Russian bot folk.
I mean I would do it if I were in charge of Clemson's social media. But critical opinions are not.
My wonder is not if they are out there but just how many of our posters are those types.
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Re: I have a theory
Sep 9, 2022, 9:44 PM
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Agreed! A bunch of old men who tuck in their shirts with shorts on a Saturday morning. They remember the 90s so they are so happy with Dabo they will accept no criticism.
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Who are all these, "no criticism" fans?***
Sep 9, 2022, 10:03 PM
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Can we discuss to tuck or not to tuck?? Would
Sep 9, 2022, 11:06 PM
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You rather be old man Nick or the hip Lane? Sheesh.
Btw….I coach a ball team. Untucked on practice days….tucked in game days..gotta be tight!
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CU Guru [1577]
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Russian bots, classic.
Sep 9, 2022, 9:46 PM
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That would be pretty funny if they did actually have propaganda agents.
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Legend [18952]
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If they don't they are stupid. I would do it.***
Sep 9, 2022, 9:58 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: I have a theory
Sep 9, 2022, 9:49 PM
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Shipley was last year depending on what you consider 2 years, if you consider this and next then no. Tbf gallman, Etienne, basically all of our top guys but spiller havent been elite recruits. And our top recruit feaster did nothing. Coaching has done a great job at RB through the years imo
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Legend [18952]
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21 and 22 classes
Sep 9, 2022, 10:00 PM
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we aren't going to sign one in the 2022 class unless there is a miracle.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: 21 and 22 classes
Sep 9, 2022, 10:20 PM
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When you say last 2 years of recruiting it does sound like 21 and 22 not a future class that hasn't been completed
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Legend [18952]
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If you follow recruiting
Sep 9, 2022, 11:28 PM
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then you'd know that the 23 class is about done, especially at RB.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: If you follow recruiting
Sep 9, 2022, 11:33 PM
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I follow recruiting very closely, maybe you should re read where you literally replied 21 and 22 which you would be factually incorrect as Shipley was the 2nd rated RB
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Legend [18952]
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Fair enough, hopefully this will help
Sep 9, 2022, 11:36 PM
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Top 100 RBs in the nation we have or will have on campus from each RB recruiting class:
2018 - no one
2019 - no one
2020 - Pace
2021 - Ship, Mafa
2022 - no one
2023 (commits or realistic prospects) - so far no one
Now, if you can defend this RB recruiting trend then you're the pumpest pumper that ever pumped!
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Re: Fair enough, hopefully this will help
Sep 9, 2022, 11:42 PM
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Why stop there? After 2012 when Ellington left
2013 CJ Davidson- not highly recruited at all
2014-16 Gallman (only thrown in for Nkemdiche)
2017- feaster, ETN, and other combo solid running game
2018-20 ETN non rated in top 200
21 plus Shipley mafah pace etc
My point was we do well with developing RBs and not many I listed were top recruits. Just my opinion, defensive Daisy
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Exactly. Dude is confused.***
Sep 10, 2022, 12:42 AM
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Re: I have a theory
Sep 9, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Mafah and Shipley weren't top 100RB? Coulda fooled me.
A friend of mine refers to the recruiting ranking services as "fat hot dog eaters." I doubt Dabo or any other top 50 coach pays much attention to them.
But, there are guys who have made a good living setting up pay sites to spout what the dog eaters say.
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Legend [18952]
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again; last year and this year (2 years)***
Sep 9, 2022, 10:00 PM
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Re: I have a theory
Sep 9, 2022, 10:48 PM
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Here are the 2017 - 2021 (5 years) RB signees for the Tigers with 247 National Rankings in ()
2017 - ETN (213)
2018 - LJ Dixon (258) **
2019 - Mellusi (241) **, Dukes (927) **
2020 - Bowman (20) **, Pace (451)
2021 - Shipley (32), Mafah (185)
** Transfered
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Re: I have a theory
Sep 9, 2022, 11:30 PM
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2017 - ETN (213)
2018 - LJ Dixon (258) **
2019 - Mellusi (241) **, Dukes (927) **
2020 - Bowman (20) **, Pace (451)
2021 - Shipley (32), Mafah (185)
In other words....
2018 - no one
2019 - no one
2020 - Pace
2021 - Ship, Mafa
2022 - no one
2023 - so far no one
That's great recruiting/portal usage
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Freshman [-79]
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We won (2) national titles without RBs rated any higher than what
Sep 10, 2022, 12:40 AM
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was posted.
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It's not the same people pumping all the time.
Sep 9, 2022, 9:56 PM
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If there one group which consist of the same people year after year it's the dumpers. The only two changes to that group is when their pulse drops embarrassing low the get scoks and a do over. The other change is the coots showing up with new handles and troll.
I defend Clemson almost all the time but last season set me in a place I have not been since before Dabo came. I was as frustrated with our lack of offense and defended the WRs and offensive linemen because the quarterback was so poor at performing a reasonable qb's job that it accentuated the least misstep by both groups.
I still see WRs and TEs running free in the secondary and appreciate that some may take the play off if DJ is still behind center. I'm not making excuses for them but being a WR with DJ at QB is like peeing in a pair of black slacks. You get that warm feeling because you peed down your leg but no one notices.
So no, Clemson faithfuls know Dabo's MO when it comes to replacing a WB. He didn't wave a magic wand and put DW or TL in the start in the first game and didn't fail by doing so.
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Re: It's not the same people pumping all the time.
Sep 9, 2022, 9:59 PM
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When you get old, you will tuck your shirt in too but also will wear white socks with sandals. Just a guess.
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Oculus Spirit [94314]
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I'm 70, I wear boots to work and I probably do more work...
Sep 9, 2022, 10:12 PM
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before lunch than you children do in a week. For lack of something productive to do I harvested an om617 MB 5cyl diesel and transmission from a 1984 300SD and put it in a 1985 380SE body. I rewired the harness to make all the components work, stripped and refinished the interior including the dash, learned to mig weld and cut and replaced half a dozen rust spots and am planning on building a paintbooth to disassemble the body and restore it to original.
I have 5 grand in the, leather dye and softners, prep and primers and the body primer, base coat and clear.
All that stuff I learned after retiring 22 years ago so don't come in here talking about age being a drawback. I've been learning my entire life. After two quarters at Greenville Tech I finished a degree in Construction Science in three years with 4 children when I enrolled and 5 when I graduated.
My life embarrasses people who sucked mama's teat until they were 25.
All that is true. I'm just a grumpy old man who can't tolerate tomfoolery. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN you young whippersnapper. 
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Re: I'm 70, I wear boots to work and I probably do more work...
Sep 9, 2022, 10:21 PM
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Good comment.
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Re: I'm 70, I wear boots to work and I probably do more work...
Sep 9, 2022, 10:33 PM
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That is awesome. There is nothing wrong with criticism if it is not just dumb, biased, prejudiced, racially motivated rants. Just look at the posts tonight about Louisville, who is winning on the road. Does anyone really think these folks know anything about Louisville football?
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CU Guru [1928]
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Maybe some of us:
Sep 9, 2022, 10:02 PM
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*Like to enjoy the good times rather than b***h about what we have no control over
*Remember Ken Hatfield
*Prefer to give guys more than one year to prove themselves
*Think this is the Golden Age of Clemson football and want to enjoy it while we can
*Remember getting the #1 all-purpose back just two years ago, according to Rivals
*Wonder if entitlement has taken over the Clemson fan base like a plague
*Remember Tommy West
I'm pretty sure that Dabo and staff aren't perfect. I'm absolutely certain they would own that imperfection.
Call me a pumper, that's fine. Football is supposed to be an enjoyable distraction. I'm not sure how much more enjoyable Clemson football could've been over the last 8 years.
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And there you have it.
Sep 9, 2022, 10:06 PM
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The dumper has been denied.
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Legend [18952]
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I remember Tommy West
Sep 9, 2022, 10:15 PM
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And I remember Danny. Been at this for 40+ years.
The only thing that is constant is change. I don't look at 2018 and think that we're the same now.
Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State are surpassing us. Why is that?
You need to be able to step back and take a critical look at the current direction. Maybe it's because I am a math teacher who understands Calculus and instantaneous change. Maybe it's how I can see how fast things can spiral downhill.
Calling it like you see it isn't being a dumper. Always calling it sunnier than you see it is a pumper.
I firmly believe an honest discussion needs honesty, right?
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If you say so
Sep 9, 2022, 10:34 PM
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Mr. Smarter-Than-Others Calculus guy.
I'd prefer to let things play out. Week 1 we look like we're behind OSU, UGA, Bama (and I'd probably add ND).
But we likely have the #1 defense in the land, an amazing D-line coming in, the #1 QB from the last class and a 5-star in the next class. Not a single player transferred after Spring ball. These are facts.
The 2 freshmen WRs sound legit. And I firmly believe that Brinningstool will be among the best TEs to ever play at Clemson. Let's give CJ more than 1 year before we write him off, shall we?
It's not just the past that looks good, it's the future. Everyone wanted Ladson, Ngata, Williams and DJU. Ladson is gone and maybe the others will pan out. Maybe they won't.
But most of the pundits still have us going to the playoff. Historically Dabo's teams improve over the course of the season. DJ is much improved over last year. The line is deeper and will come together (barring injuries).
I simply don't understand why many in the fan base spend so much time staring at the negatives (or perceived negatives).
At the end of the day it's a game. Last I checked games were meant to be enjoyable. But I don't teach Calculus, so I could be wrong.
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Re: If you say so
Sep 9, 2022, 11:08 PM
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I am not saying I am smarter because I know calculus. Just that I can look at a football game or a trend and be objective. Math helps you think critically because numbers don't lie.
I agree that we are behind in week 1 and things can change and trend up. I think we both want that, right? I am just commenting on the data I have now and we have a lot of data on offensive trends.
Relying on two freshmen WR stinks of misses in recruiting or developmental issues in the years prior. Do you not agree?
The defense and special teams look good so far but you need three teams to be playing well if you want to be a playoff contender.
My main point is that a lot of posts seem to be disingenuous.
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Legend [19781]
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So if someone disagrees with you they are a bot
Sep 9, 2022, 10:05 PM
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who knew George Orwell ran Clemson's social media
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Legend [18952]
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Not you obviously
Sep 9, 2022, 10:16 PM
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you have been pumping on your own for your own reasons for years =).
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Legend [19781]
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And what might those reasons be?
Sep 9, 2022, 10:23 PM
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I wasn't pumping the offense last year, wasn't trashing them like you either. I'm certainly not pumping basketball this year, I think it's going to be dismal.
It's Ok to offer critiques, but you trash people. After one game this year you call for the offensive staff to be gutted. One...game...
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Re: And what might those reasons be?
Sep 9, 2022, 10:29 PM
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I was "trashing them" for being almost last in the whole nation?
Calling things great when they suck you lose credibility.
Calling things bad when they are bad you will not lose credibility with people who are able to think critically. It's pretty simple.
Back to my original point.
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Legend [19781]
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You were trashing them
Sep 9, 2022, 10:31 PM
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because it's all you apparently know how to do. Every day you complain about something
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Legend [18952]
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LOL
Sep 9, 2022, 10:35 PM
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I call it as I see it, good or bad. Ask yourself, do you?
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Legend [19781]
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You call it bad
Sep 9, 2022, 10:38 PM
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there is nothing good you ever mention. Honestly, if something drives you to such negativity on an ongoing basis, you might want to take a step back. I did it with basketball last year. Quit watching.
For a solid year you've been nothing but negative.
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Legend [18952]
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Not really.
Sep 9, 2022, 10:51 PM
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I have been very complimentary of those who deserve it. What you focus on is the criticism, that's your own bias. It doesn't make it true.
Now, point me to a post where you have been critical so as not to make you a hypocrite. I'll wait.
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Legend [19781]
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Try reading any post on basketball this year
Sep 9, 2022, 11:07 PM
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now, point us to your last positive post
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Legend [18952]
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DJ
Sep 9, 2022, 11:12 PM
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I have been one of the only posters to defend his play.
But maybe you missed it because he's the only hill you're not willing to die on.
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Legend [19781]
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We've played one game
Sep 9, 2022, 11:19 PM
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what's to defend? Saying all the blame doesn't go on one guy isn't defending him as that would be he shoulders none of the blame. It's passive aggressive, as it allows you to trash your targets like Grisham and Spiller
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Legend [18952]
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Or just maybe
Sep 9, 2022, 11:25 PM
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that is more than just DJ's fault. This is what you're having a hard time getting your head around but it's not just you to be fair.
How about we just call it a night and both agree that we hope things get better this season on offense?
Then we can meet back here and rejoice, brothers in arms. Deal?
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Legend [19781]
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I've said since last year
Sep 9, 2022, 11:28 PM
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receivers are responsible for catching the ball. Not the coaches. Not the QB. Players make plays.
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Great we have found some common ground.
Sep 9, 2022, 11:40 PM
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And just to be clear Striper, I am no chicken. We want the same things.
I can't wait to come back on here and praise the play of anyone who improves on offense!!!
Meet you here when it does???
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Re: You were trashing them
Sep 9, 2022, 10:41 PM
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The whole issue is because we were perfect in 18, the rank file (no and on purpose) think we will be perfect every year and if we are not it is our fault rather than the team that beat us just being better. I was in Miami in 81 before most of the people on this site were thought of and that team would have beaten both the 16 and 18 teams. Football is not about where you rank in any stat except winning and we are pretty dadgum good in that stat. Enjoy the wins and accept the occasional lose with class.
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Re: You were trashing them
Sep 10, 2022, 12:11 AM
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I watched the 81 team, and they would have been boat raced by our 2018 team. 81 would have dominated the trenches, absolutely; but teams back then had Huge LBs that would have never covered the 2018 slot receivers or Etienne running routes out of the backfield. The 2018 DL could have held their own against the run, which was 85% or more of offensive production back then.
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You are negative about basketball but rarely say anything close to negative about football.
Sep 9, 2022, 11:15 PM
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Congrats, you sound like 99% of Clemson fans.
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Legend [19781]
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You know very well I've never been a constant negative on
Sep 9, 2022, 11:34 PM
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basketball. After 12 years, and looking at a roster with 5 freshmen, 2 sophs who have played little, and our best player out until who knows, what is there to pump there?
Meanwhile, football is 89-10 the last seven years. Excuse me if I don't see a lot of negative in that
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It’s like a giant circle jerk inside an echo chamber.***
Sep 9, 2022, 11:08 PM
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Like you and basketball***
Sep 10, 2022, 12:46 AM
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