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Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 12:58 PM
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Murphy opting out. But, but, but...
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 1:00 PM
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To be fair, we had other players in recent years who opted out but were still on the field. Cough…Kearse….Cough
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 1:03 PM
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first healthy player to opt out of a championship game
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To be fair, Kearse was not healthy...He dinged his knee vs
Dec 13, 2022, 1:19 PM
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GT and he wasn't the same, he was absolutely in self-preservation mode from then on
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 2:30 PM
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I understand you are talking about the Orange Bowl "Champion" but when there are only 2 teams and 1 is the ultimate "champion" it is better than losing but not really a true championship when you have 40 other "champions" from all of the other bowl games. It isn't like his decision leaves us in a position that cost us real value. I think we would have been just fine either way.
If it was a playoff or even the ACC Championship, now we have something real to chew on but with the OB, not so much.
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 2:35 PM
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What championship game is that? It’s a bowl game with no meaning.
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 1:20 PM
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LOL....Kearse absolutely opted out of the ACC Championship gave vs UNC.
He wasn't about to hit anybody in that game.
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I honestly don't understand why the coaches kept him in when
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Dec 13, 2022, 1:30 PM
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it was obvious he was no longer effective
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lol...
Dec 13, 2022, 1:00 PM
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you are reveling in Clemson Culture taking a hit?
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can i lol an lol?
Dec 13, 2022, 1:02 PM
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I'm sure there are some here that never thought one of our players would opt out.
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So you are reveling in Clemson Culture taking a hit so you..
Dec 13, 2022, 1:03 PM
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you could be right and "some here that never thought one of our player would opt out" are wrong?
Cool.
Go Tigers, I guess.
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Have you not seen how people gloat after the basketball team
Dec 13, 2022, 1:16 PM
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loses? The entire board is full of "I told you So" posts...Why are the Football Only fans so fragile?
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the ole " JOhhny did it so why can't i"***
Dec 13, 2022, 1:24 PM
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In that scenario, does Johnny whine when the same thing is
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Dec 13, 2022, 1:28 PM
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done back to him?
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One thing I like to do is spanking you in public…
Dec 13, 2022, 1:29 PM
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don’t tempt me.
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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh...Mr Cool
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I think I said this before (who really cares) but I used
Dec 13, 2022, 2:38 PM
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to think you were a pretty solid part of the community on here, Shack - even though you took some push-back every so often.
But now - you are pretty much 100% garbage.
What happened ?
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Because he doesn't tow the party line?***
Dec 13, 2022, 2:46 PM
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Where's he hauling that "party line" to, maroon ?
Dec 13, 2022, 2:49 PM
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It is "toe".
Great day to be a Tiger - G O T I G E R S ! !
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I thought it looked weird but just rolled with it***
Dec 13, 2022, 2:50 PM
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I hope this conversation makes sense to you two.***
Dec 14, 2022, 12:41 AM
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Re: So you are reveling in Clemson Culture taking a hit so you..
Dec 13, 2022, 1:34 PM
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Dude, stop. What would I be right about? I never said anything one way or another about this. It was cool last year when no one opted out. I get questioned about my loyalty all the time when I make a statement that doesn't line up with the sunshine pumpers on here. God forbid if I make a tongue-in-check comment when things happen that goes against the party line.
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Ok…
Dec 13, 2022, 1:44 PM
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Then you are just reveling in others being wrong.
Go Tigers.
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Re: Ok…
Dec 13, 2022, 2:03 PM
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nope, just expecting some to openly disappointed at him for the decision and that it reflects poorly on Clemson. Looking at the TNet News post, Looks like there are quite a few.
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Then those are the people you should be sharing your post…
Dec 13, 2022, 2:05 PM
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with, I’d think.
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Re: Then those are the people you should be sharing your post…
Dec 13, 2022, 2:09 PM
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yes sir
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Now you're learning.
Dec 13, 2022, 2:37 PM
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Francis loooves his TNet toadies.
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Murphy,
Dec 13, 2022, 1:05 PM
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No, it's not the Clemson Culture, it's just Murphy .Wish him luck.
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Re: Murphy,
Dec 13, 2022, 9:41 PM
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Nope if Clemson Culture not Rooster Murphy
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 1:37 PM
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For the first time since 1980, I “Opted out” of purchasing season tix this past season. Have a feeling I’m not alone.
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 1:37 PM
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that's fine now one of the young guys gets his chance
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 1:40 PM
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Agreed. Hope those younger individuals enjoy the games like I did.
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 1:37 PM
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I do recall reading some fans in the past making fun of other teams for having players opt out of bowl games and pointing out how that didn't happen at Clemson. Of course this was during the time when Clemson had made the CFP 6 years in a row. I always pointed out to people then that we wouldn't be above this happening either and had only not happened to us due to players being less likely to opt out of CFP games.
This is simply how things are going to keep going in college football. I don't like it, but it's also easy for us fans to sit here and say that we'd be projected as a top 10 draft pick and would be willing to go out and play an extra game without a championship on the line and risk getting a major injury in the game that could potentially cost us millions. You could tear your ACL in the bowl game or something and that would cost you draft position. Sure, you'd probably still get drafted, but a team is probably not going to draft you in the top 10 if you're likely to miss your entire rookie season.
Based on next years projected draft salary, just the different in being the #10 overall pick and being taken with the last pick in the 1st round was a difference of $9.8 million in total value including over $7 million in signing bonus money. Yeah, they often have insurance but those policies don't come close to making up for that big of a difference in money.
I think the Jaylon Smith injury in his bowl game several years ago scared a lot of players. He was projected as a top 5 pick and ended up falling all the way to the 2nd round of the draft at #34 overall. It's estimated that the injury cost him between $12 million and $18 million in total depending on where in the top 10 he would've gone and just the guaranteed money from being a top 10 draft pick would've been $5 more than his entire contract value based on where he was actually drafted at. His injury insurance policy only paid him $700k which yes, is a lot of money, but it hardly puts a dent into his overall loss.
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 1:43 PM
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You hit on exactly why I made the post (contrary to what others think the purpose was). Some fans think we're exempt from "perceived ills" of college football and some have been pretty vocal about it.
Murphy is making a business decision - no one should fault him for that. And it shouldn't have any impact on the perception of Dabo or the program.
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 2:23 PM
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Your "but, but, but" kind of purposely left it open to interpretation. Otherwise, why even include it if there wasn't a point to it?
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This is very much a jk post poking at the only DECENT
Dec 13, 2022, 2:47 PM
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sports program we have - men's soccer excluded - in order to . . . ? ? ? ? . . . . cause further division and / or make fun of our own fan base - due to . . . . who knows what.
It DOES suck he is opting out - it IS amazing it hasn't happened before now to us - it IS a testimony to the character of the guys we have on the team & their commitment to each other - it IS a hit to our culture, in my opinion, in a small way in that we have lost the selling point that Clemson guys honor their commitment to their teammates - until the very end.
And it is an ever-increasing indication that college football is pretty unhealthy right now.
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Re: This is very much a jk post poking at the only DECENT
Dec 13, 2022, 4:06 PM
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I see your point but he gave us everything he had for 3 years. Now he is a projected Top 10 draft pick with millions at stake. I think he has earned the right to consider his future and not risk a serious injury in a bowl game that is mainly for personal pride and bragging rights.
I watched Kyler Murray go down last night with an ACL injury, completely untouched. I really can't blame Miles for not wanting to take that chance with so much on the line for him and I personally don't think he deserves any grief over it.
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 1:49 PM
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I don't see how a bowl game opt-out affects culture. Men do it all the time in other college football programs. Don't see how it would be any different when it happens at Clemson.
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I don't think his point is that it impacts culture
Dec 13, 2022, 2:24 PM
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I think his point is that it flies in the face of the self-righteous, holier than thou Tnetter's talking points when it comes to portal use etc.
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His post about an opt out is actually about the portal?
Dec 13, 2022, 2:57 PM
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I really whiffed on that.
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His post is about the culture that the politburo of Tnet
Dec 13, 2022, 3:23 PM
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point to as the excuse for almost every mindboggling decision the staff makes.
HTH
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A player opting out is not a mindboggling decision...
Dec 13, 2022, 3:34 PM
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by the staff. That's strike two.
Some here are stretching, just to have a "gotcha" moment.
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This is reminding me of the old saying....You can lead a
Dec 13, 2022, 3:43 PM
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horse to water but you can't make it drink...
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Three things...
Dec 13, 2022, 3:51 PM
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1) Communication usually fails, except by accident.
2) If a message can be interpreted in several ways, it will be interpreted in a manner that maximizes damage.
3) There is always someone who knows better than you what you meant by your message.
-Osmo Antero Wiio
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Or it could be that those targeted with the message
Dec 13, 2022, 3:56 PM
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are not self-aware enough to understand the implication?
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It is perception that matters…
Dec 13, 2022, 3:59 PM
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not intent. Even HR knows this.
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Re: Three things...
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I have a blind spot for irony...
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Wish Murphy the best and understand his decision
Dec 13, 2022, 1:52 PM
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It's just a bowl game. And Murphy has a lot of business reasons to opt out.
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Re: Wish Murphy the best and understand his decision
Dec 14, 2022, 12:23 AM
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Its the battle of the orange in the Orange Bowl.
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Kiper's Big Board eats culture for breakfast.
Dec 13, 2022, 2:18 PM
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Or something like that.
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Its a "ME" world now...... no more "For the TEAM "***
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Don't think he improves his draft stock by returning
Dec 13, 2022, 2:29 PM
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if he's getting first round grades i'd jump on that train real quick.
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I don't think its taken a hit but....
Dec 13, 2022, 2:32 PM
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it does show that Dabo's thought process about bringing in portal kids needs to (and already has) changed. A few years ago, you wanted to send a signal to your kids that you believed in them and didn't want to risk bringing new kids in that may taint your culture. However, many of the SAME kids you were trying to protect, kids who were fighting for playing time behind the starters, are now bailing on you in droves. Got to fill in those gaps now. It can be argued playing less talented kids (compared to what you've had in the past or what the program should have) b/c they are your HS signees can actually erode a culture in several ways. IMO, we lost several opportunities to fill in keys gaps over the past several years that left our depth too low/or not talented enough in certain position groups. The effect on those position groups, and others, hasn't been good.
As I've always said, Dabo is 1000% correct about HS kids being the main core of your team...it will ALWAYS be that way. Just subtle changes need to be made where a sprinkling of transfers can fill in those gaps which are now all but certain. BAMA does it perfectly IMO.
I alluded to this several times on here....but Dabo has been making subtle changes behind the scenes to adopt. You will see more of it very soon. A bit late... but better late than never.
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I don't regard it as a hit on culture. I don't like the
Dec 13, 2022, 3:27 PM
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opting out, just like I don't like the new portal rules nor the NIL.
However, there are a lot of things I don't like and a lot that I do. My grounding is the realization that no one in particular really gives a hoot in he1l about my opinions. I realize in today's society, most want to play by new rules, particularly those that benefit them...and to he1l with everyone else.
We recruited them to play football. When they're done, for whatever reasons, we just fill their spot and keep marching to the same beat. And whatever culture we may have marches down the same path.
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I’m surprised. I mean, Dabo said that this is a playoff game.***
Dec 13, 2022, 4:00 PM
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Re: I’m surprised. I mean, Dabo said that this is a playoff game.***
Dec 13, 2022, 9:11 PM
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Closer than Brad gets to a playoff game, Judge!
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Re: I’m surprised. I mean, Dabo said that this is a playoff game.***
Dec 13, 2022, 9:55 PM
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Clemson basketball have a championship team if they had UNT Coach as new HC
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 8:47 PM
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I wish Murphy would play in the OB, but he's been getting top-10 projections. Too easy to blow out a knee before the big draft. He should go to the NFL.
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 13, 2022, 10:04 PM
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I hope missing Orange Bowl makes him 30 pick
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Re: Clemson Culture takes a hit?
Dec 14, 2022, 1:56 PM
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The culture became a joke when our former QB exposed himself to about 50 massage ladies.
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