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Legend [15760]
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Okay everyone. What should our President do in Iraq?
Jun 13, 2014, 3:02 PM
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A mess to be sure. Some could reasonably say this is "all Bush's fault" for getting us into that country to begin with. Some could reasonably say this is "all Obama's fault" for removing all U.S. presence. And some could reasonably say this is "all Iraq's fault" for doing everything they can to make sure America isn't around anymore.
But whatever your position on whose fault it is...here we are.
What do you think America SHOULD do?
It seems to me personally like we should take some responsibility for the weak state Iraq is today. And if even if you don't feel that way, the national security considerations of having a country in the hands of radicals is obvious. A swift American response with air support would probably stem the tide and might give the Iraqi Security Forces some courage. But then what about "no boots on the ground"? Will the insurgents know that they just have to wait it out?
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woo boy
Jun 13, 2014, 3:40 PM
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I can only imagine what could come of the Iranians stepping in to help the Iraqis when we wouldn't. That's not a regime that needs to have any more prestige in that part of the world.
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I'll take the bait
Jun 13, 2014, 3:04 PM
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There is no way we should send more ground troops in. I'm sure everyone agrees with this. Air strikes would seem like the next step, but do the Iraqis have the appetite for more unintended deaths from air strikes?
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Legend [15760]
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It's not "bait." It's a tough situation.
Jun 13, 2014, 3:09 PM
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Are we SURE there's "no way we should send more ground troops in"? Was there value in even saying that at this stage? We could swiftly provide air support without making any comment on ground troops. There's no need to declare any option off the table, as unappealing as it is.
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All-In [30207]
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I'm pretty sure Americans wouldn't want to go into yet
Jun 13, 2014, 3:13 PM
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another war in Iraq. I'd be pretty pissed if we sent more troops there.
And this war isn't really going to be against Iraq - it'll be against the insurgents and other people trying to take over Iraq.
No matter what the US decides to do - it won't be a good decision.
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Legend [18033]
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that's basically what the 2nd Iraq War was, right?
Jun 13, 2014, 3:20 PM
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us fighting insurgents for control of the country? This would be a continuation of that and some might say an expected result. The depressing idea with all of this is that training the Iraq to protect themselves was the mission we've been on that now looks failed. I'm not sure I see a way this doesn't result in some sort of intervention by the United States. This group of radicals in Iraq now are said to be worse than Al Queda and the Taliban so we can't let them get control of Iraq for our own interests.
Iraq was a can of worms that never should have been opened, or if it was opened we should have just said screw it and just taken the country as our own. Playing the middle ground is going to cost us.
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All-In [30207]
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I just find when a sovereign state (the US) gets involved in
Jun 13, 2014, 3:23 PM
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a religious fight - there are no winners.
Like I said earlier - whatever choice we make - it'll be a bad one.
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Legend [18033]
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Completely agreed***
Jun 13, 2014, 3:28 PM
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All-In [34823]
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The phrase I heard this morning on "Morning Joe" was
Jun 13, 2014, 3:34 PM
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that when we occupied Japan, Germany, and Korea, they were all real nationalities with a national people, undivided by religion.
Basically the same thing you said, except the handy definition of how those countries are different from the Middle East.
The national borders of the countries there were drawn without respect to the historical tribal affiliations of the people living in the region. Even if the borders had been drawn to accurately reflect the individual tribes and sects, I still think we have the same amount of unrest. They don't seem to be able to help themselves.
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Actually, earlier today my friend said Obama's position is
Jun 13, 2014, 4:25 PM
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"weak" because he's refusing to put boots on the ground, so there's at least one idiot out there who thinks it's a good idea.
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Legend [15760]
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I'm not sure it's idiotic to at least not publicly close the
Jun 13, 2014, 4:29 PM
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door on "boots on the ground".
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CU Medallion [56365]
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No, my friend thoroughly endorsed boots on the ground.***
Jun 13, 2014, 5:43 PM
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Let's just drop a few A-bombs over there
Jun 13, 2014, 3:05 PM
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and be done with it.
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All-In [30207]
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But what about the oil?
Jun 13, 2014, 3:06 PM
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That's all we really care about, right?
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Hall of Famer [21601]
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I thought we were moving towards electric cars?***
Jun 13, 2014, 3:10 PM
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Nothing. Let Al'Qaeda and Hezbollah kill each other.***
Jun 13, 2014, 3:07 PM
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This isn't Al'Qaeda
Jun 13, 2014, 3:10 PM
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It's a group called Isis. A crazier insane version of AQ.
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All-Pro [673]
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Different name. Same folks.***
Jun 13, 2014, 3:15 PM
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Legend [18033]
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I've read it's fueld by Syria, so not doing anything
Jun 13, 2014, 3:09 PM
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seems like will result in a joined Syrian-Iraq state that's anti-US and more radical than before the Iraq War. But doing something would mean another lengthy campaign of fighting that would be a very hard sell to the American People.
We spent billions of dollars and years training the Iraq security forces and all that got us was them putting their weapons on the ground and running away. Iraq and Syria look to be an on-going problem for years and years...
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CU Medallion [50635]
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air strikes
Jun 13, 2014, 3:13 PM
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but only against our tanks and stuff we left behind
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Rock Defender [54]
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NOTHING.***
Jun 13, 2014, 3:14 PM
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Well, perhaps he should tour the ruins of Babylon.
Jun 13, 2014, 3:14 PM
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I'm told that quite impressive.
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All-TigerNet [12851]
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create a 6" thick sheet of glass beginning at the eastern
Jun 13, 2014, 3:15 PM
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border of Israel and stopping at the border of Pakistan and India.
We could do it all at once or we could do a country at a time and then warn the rest to shape up or be next.
Matters not.
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Put it in the victory column for Hillary's State Department.
Jun 13, 2014, 3:17 PM
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Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Legend [15760]
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Ha ha. So we all agree that the correct course of action
Jun 13, 2014, 3:31 PM
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could be anything from "nothing" to "flood the worldwide glass market."
Good to know! 
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Legend [18033]
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most are hoping we find a magical monkey paw
Jun 13, 2014, 3:34 PM
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that lets us wish we never went into Iraq in the first place. Every other choice seems like a bad one.
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All-In [34823]
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Like eating at a crappy Chinese restaurant.***
Jun 13, 2014, 3:35 PM
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CU Medallion [56365]
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What? That was supposed to go over there.***
Jun 13, 2014, 4:27 PM
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Re: Okay everyone. What should our President do in Iraq?
Jun 13, 2014, 4:19 PM
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The USA is a paper tiger. We have had our ### handed to us in every war we have been the aggressor in since WW2. We have a country full of puzzies who have a short attention span. If it's not a 3 month tv type series, we are not interested. The ### kissing Generals and self serving politicians have castrated the military. Our Military is now nothing more than a lab for social and PC correctness experimentation. Let's not get involved in any more wars until we have an army made up of transgender soldiers.
Starting a war the USA way means we invade a country with no intention of defeating the enemy and we have only a set amount of time to be engaged. When the set date for ending the "war" arrives, we declare the war is over and retreat. The enemy, especially the Jihadists, don't have any rules when it comes to killing the infidels. They will never quit the fight until they are completely wiped off the face of the earth. Something we are not willing to do.
Let's get back to the important chit. The Washington Redskins need to change their racist name to more accurately reflect the DC area they serve...the Washington Foreskins.
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Cool, so we agree?***
Jun 13, 2014, 4:28 PM
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Nothing.***
Jun 13, 2014, 4:21 PM
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Nothing.***
Jun 13, 2014, 4:27 PM
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Stay there and do not return to DC
Jun 13, 2014, 4:32 PM
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Do not pass go and do not collect $200.
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Re: Okay everyone. What should our President do in Iraq?
Jun 13, 2014, 4:37 PM
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drop an ample supply of bourbon, ####, and Zaxby's on the Sunnis forces. They will realize what they have been missing and lay down their rifles.
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Just nuke the entire middle east and get it over with.***
Jun 13, 2014, 6:13 PM
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Carpet bomb the whole dayum area.***
Jun 13, 2014, 8:19 PM
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