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The question is
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where did the pro-trans hysteria (mixed with a nice dose of totalitarian-level propaganda) come from?
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Re: The question is
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where did the pro-trans hysteria (mixed with a nice dose of totalitarian-level propaganda) come from?
There is no "pro-trans hysteria." Some of us believe in equal rights for everyone. We don't think there should be exceptions for people that make you uncomfortable.
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No you don't.
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Mar 27, 2023, 2:18 PM
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You don't believe people have the right to address a tranny by any pronouns they choose.
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Re: No you don't.
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Mar 27, 2023, 2:32 PM
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You don't believe people have the right to address a tranny by any pronouns they choose.
Why wouldn't I address someone by the pronoun that they prefer? It seems like a pretty simple courtesy, no?
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Fine.
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Mar 27, 2023, 2:35 PM
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Henceforth, you may address me as Your Majesty/His Royal Highness.
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Re: Fine.
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A title is not a pronoun.
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Then
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Mar 27, 2023, 2:40 PM
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simply "master" will suffice.
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Quick retreat from ‘rights’ to ‘courtesy’
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Mar 27, 2023, 6:04 PM
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See that you beat a quick retreat … but only after you got caught.
From: ‘trannies have the RIGHT’ to be called what they want.
To: It is a ‘pretty simple COURTESY’ to address a tranny as they wish to be addressed.
(*). This casual back-and-forth by liberals to obscure the real meaning behind words that is a big reason why conservatives don’t trust liberals.
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Re: Quick retreat from ‘rights’ to ‘courtesy’
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See that you beat a quick retreat … but only after you got caught.
From: ‘trannies have the RIGHT’ to be called what they want.
To: It is a ‘pretty simple COURTESY’ to address a tranny as they wish to be addressed.
(*). This casual back-and-forth by liberals to obscure the real meaning behind words that is a big reason why conservatives don’t trust liberals.
Beat a retreat? I'm just saying that if you address someone by they pronoun prefer, if they have made that preference clear, you are being courteous. What more did I say than that? Good to know that being courteous offends your values.
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What kind of dumb is this?
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You have the right to call anybody anything you want, free from government reprisal. As with anything, that doesn't mean you're automatically free of any OTHER consequences. There aren't laws about what you have to call somebody, and any reasonable person would be against that anyway.
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Re: What kind of dumb is this?
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Those laws are on the way. Look north.
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"equal rights for everyone"
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There is the problem. It's not "equal."
And it likely can never be. Many people who consider themselves oppressed want rules that benefit them. This is not equality. This is special treatment. But they push the issue under the guise of "Equal Rights."
Let's take the example of Lia Thomas. Is it "equal rights" for the biological women he's swimming against? Nope, sure isn't. Is it "equal rights" for the trans community? Sure is. Same thing is happening in track, MMA, cycling, etc. Genetic men are typically stronger and faster than genetic women. So a male goes against females and crushing them.
Dress however you want. You do you. But when it comes to things like sports, you can't have equality.
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The question is "When did grimm begin transitioning...?"***
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Re: The question is
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The answer to your question RPM is here:
"The second paragraph of the United States Declaration of Independence starts: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
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Re: The question is
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Re: The question is
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So it's the parades. Here is a clue for you, if you don't like parades then you have your Liberty to not attend. Problem solved.
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Created equal does not mean equal outcomes
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All men are CREATED equal does not mean that all men are guaranteed to equal OUTCOMES.
Actions and decisions have benefits; actions and decisions have consequences.
The race / gender to which someone was ‘assigned at birth’ is an immutable characteristic. In other words, part of how that person was CREATED.
Unfair treatment of citizens is not Constitutionally allowed based on immutable characteristics.
Not long into a person’s life, their ‘societal advantages and disadvantages’ start getting shaped because of the decisions and actions of the person. This discriminatory process (sometimes it is favorable discrimination, sometimes unfavorable discrimination, overall it is a mix of both favorable + unfavorable discriminations) tracks that of the person’s actions and decisions.
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It's the gay marriage of 2004 all over again
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Mar 27, 2023, 3:05 PM
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Just a big fat red herring to distract us from more important stuff.
You got caught up in that one, too, back in 2004.
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That's exactly what I've been thinking.
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So we already knows how this ends. Which is why I'm trying to ignore all the anti-trans stuff while it runs its course.
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You fell for it then. You're falling for it now.***
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Re: Where did the anti-trans-hysteria come from?
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The hysteria part started with you. You are a leader, after all.
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Proxy for run-of-the-mill anti-gay bigotry.
Mar 27, 2023, 2:17 PM
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Sort of how the Confederate Flag was really just a proxy war for racists. There are very legitimate concerns over the ethics of transition surgery on minors, but that seems even esoteric for the uproar, wherein "Drag Shows" are just as easily substituted for "hormone blockers on kids."
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As to children, I agree. As to 'trans', I don't care. It's
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their (if that's the right pronoun) choice. Go ahead but don't make it 'my' issue.
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Re: As to children, I agree. As to 'trans', I don't care. It's
Mar 27, 2023, 2:28 PM
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their (if that's the right pronoun) choice. Go ahead but don't make it 'my' issue.
The only one who can make it your issue is you. Otherwise, live and let live.
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That's what I said. What's the purpose of your post?***
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Or maybe people aren't comfortable with mentally ill guys
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sharing facilities with their daughters and wives? Or their daughters having to compete against them in sports? Then there's the whole transition surgery on minors thing, which is clear cut child abuse.
It is fascinating how progressives are always able to turn the tables though, now we hear "where did this anti trans hysteria come from?!?"...Well, it came from trying to force the public to accept this insanity. That should be obvious to everyone.
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That's begging the question.
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Hysteria is the only reasons those are issues. It's certainly not because it's something that impacts any measurable amount of society, with any sort of measurable amount of "damage," especially comparative to the emotional energy spent on the topic.
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Are you sure about that? Because the rise in supposed trans
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kids is correlating pretty closely with the increase in suicides for that demographic. Not to mention, you might feel differently if it was your daughter who lost her spot on a team due to one of these guys.
To me it should be a non-issue, but I'm not the one trying to redefine what a man and a woman is so Larry can go peepee in the ladies restroom either.
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As opposed to losing a spot because some other kid's parents
Mar 27, 2023, 2:45 PM
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are more connected? Happens all the time. It is certainly not a reason or explanation of why it holds the position it does in national discourse -- hence the "hysteria."
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Ask yourself this: When did it begin holding the position it
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does in national discourse, before or after men started demanding access to female facilities/groups/sports/whatever just because they decided they were a woman?
Nobody GAF until then, did they?
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Yup, this “omg the right cares SOOO much about this”
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Is just such a bad gaslighting tactic.
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But have you counted...
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Is just such a bad gaslighting tactic.
All of the trans-phobic thread-starters that get posted in the Tnet Politics board?
And if the right doesn't care so much about this, why are so many anti-trans laws being passed in conservative states? Between that and the book bans, it seems to be top-of-mind with a lot of conservatives.
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I see who started this one, and it wasn’t exactly Miura.***
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Re: But have you counted...
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"Between that and the book bans"
So not allowing kids to read inappropriate books is 'banning' said books? Is alcohol 'banned' because a 12 year old can't buy it?
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Masking issue of medical mutilation of youth w. other LGBTQ
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Masking the LGBTQ agenda of sex ‘reassignment’ medical treatments on younger than 18 year olds. That is what you are doing when mixing in other, less onerous, LGBTQ issues in the discussion.
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Re: Yup, but 46 replies in 1.5 hours (mostly "conservative")
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would tend to indicate that the OPer's point about "hysteria" is valid and btw this happens almost EVERY time this issue is brought up. I'm kinda ambivalent on the topic and I agree with the points presented on each side of this issue(I'm against trans "females" competing with real females but I'm also live and let live). But, to your point, if the right does not "care soooo much", then why do state legislatures all over the country seem to be pressing this issue forward with legislation? Just wondering.
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So a lefty posts a false post,
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Righties reply accordingly that it’s BS, and your thought is “look how much these righties care about this!!!!”
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Re: So a lefty posts a false post,
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Talk about gaslighting huh.
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No response. Cool.***
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Re: No response. Cool.***
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Yep, exactly what I got to my question of "then why do state legislatures all over the country seem to be pressing this issue forward with legislation?" I was just looking for you to educate me on the subject. JFC!
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What’s attempting to be legislated is what, heretofore,
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Has been thought of as common sense and general societal norms. They’re simply having to hard code those standards into law now, because the far left has to push things as far as they possibly can.
Saying the right started this issue snowballing is just BS. It’s not like normalized gender dysphoria has been the trend since the beginning of modern society, and the right is looking to change it, it’s the exact opposite. It’s just intellectually dishonest to argue otherwise.
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Re: Well, as a bystander ...
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I think the OPer's point about "hysteria" is valid. Now up to 80 posts in 2 hours, this is a record pace.
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I think that’s called “confirmation bias”, but ok.***
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There's a reason the bathroom argument is mostly dumb, and
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that is because of the fact that gay people exist, and pretty much always have for as long as humans have been around. You're worried about a trans person checking out your son or daughter in a locker room or bathroom? Statistically, that trans person isn't going to be attracted to the sex/gender they change to. Further, are you not concerned about the gay guy in the locker who finds your son attractive, or the adult lesbian who goes into the bathroom behind your daughter? Because those are a whole lot more likely to happen, and probably already have without you (or your kids, wife, whoever) even knowing it. It's like people make the automatic leap to sexual assault and rape when it comes to trans people. Guess what? Those are illegal for everybody, regardless of sex/gender/identity.
The idea that people change sexes, particularly men, so that they can peep on girls in locker rooms and bathrooms or win all the female sports, is...not founded in reality.
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BS... The constant promotion IS the "reality".***
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Re: There's a reason the bathroom argument is mostly dumb, and
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“The idea that people change sexes, particularly men, so that they can peep on girls in locker rooms and bathrooms or win all the female sports, is...not founded in reality. “
I think their clear mental illness is a bigger issue for me than their motives. I don’t really care why the guy on the corner is yelling “THE END IS NEAR” as much as I know he’s not ok and I’m keeping my kids away.
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the "mental illness" argument...
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Re: the "mental illness" argument...
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Nope. Putting aside the small, small percentage of multisex people with actual chromosomal issues, the belief that you are something other than what you clearly are is a delusion, no different than thinking you can fly or that you’re a Russian spy. There’s no need to play the game. Get these people help.
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Disingenuous to equate mental health of gays vs trannies
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You are being disingenuous to relate previous beliefs that gays were mentally ill to today’s recognition that trannies and think-they-want-to-be-trannies are mentally ill.
You know that what I’m saying is true.
Trannies / wanna-be trannies are too commonly mentally unstable. No one should want such people sharing bathroom with the physically weaker demographics (I.e., women and children) of our society.
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My son has the physical tools to defend himself from the
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gay boy in the locker room, as does my wife/daughter against the lesbian in all likelihood. Because, you know, they are the same sex with similar physical strength/abilities. Totally different story when the dynamic is man vs woman.
You seem to be totally dismissing the idea that predators would exploit this for their own benefit too, Mr. Peeper might not actually be trans but that doesn't mean he won't lie about it to gain access. You'd have to be a special type of naive not to see the slippery slope there.
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And how many hundreds of examples do we have of this
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happening with several years of shared bathrooms under our belts? This would be the "hysteria" referenced in the OP.
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I have no way of proving this, but I’d put a lot of money
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On the fact that if you’re taking a pee break at a fast food place on a road trip, you aren’t going to send your daughter in the bathroom seconds after a 6’2 dude in a dress goes in, whereas you’d probably be ok if it were an actual woman. You can say you would, but frankly I don’t believe you, because you seem like an actual good parent.
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Do you see a lot of 6'2" dudes in dresses?
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Again...mass hysteria over something that just isn't even in the realm of "common".
What about the 5'8" "guy" who you can't tell is trans? We can do all the hypotheticals.
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Would you or wouldn’t you?***
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If any non-child puts a hand on my daughter, whether male,
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female, trans, gay, lesbian, straight, black, white, vaccinated, unvaccinated...that person will pay dearly. That said, I don't go through life viewing every person I encounter as a threat to me or my daughter. I also firmly disagree that transexuality is a mental illness, and most certainly not in the same realm as the mentally ill person yelling on the street corner. This is a reductive way to dismiss something you view as icky and not "normal".
So, 6'2" guy with a beard in a dress? That sounds more like a dude in drag, who shouldn't be in the female's bathroom anyway. I'm probably not letting my daughter go into the bathroom with that person. But that's not happening anyway.
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To be clear,
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I didn’t say beard, and height was an unnecessary modifier on my part to make the overall point.
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Re: If any non-child puts a hand on my daughter, whether male,
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How do you address the threat to a physically capable ‘assigned at birth as male’ tranny who is already in the women’s bathroom?
Going to walk in to the girls bathroom, inspect each stall, and give the “all clear” call?
That part needs to be thought out.
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We've certainly got a few, and knowing how school districts
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operate there's probably a lot more we don't know about.
But like Obed said in his response, I don't think you'd be OK with sending your daughter into the QT bathroom with some 6'2" dude with a beard wearing a dress either....So when the rubber meets the road most people aren't nearly as OK with this as they say.
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I mean, this is kinda where we're at.
Mar 27, 2023, 4:13 PM
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Kind of, I mean the bathroom thing is certainly one of my
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problems with it, particularly as someone with a wife and soon to be daughter.
The root of the problem is that it's patently absurd to pretend a man can become a woman, and that they should have access to everything in society as if they were one.
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They can't/won't be able to answer that question.
Mar 27, 2023, 4:03 PM
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So, they'll fall back on their fear-based hypotheticals. It's not a coincidence that almost every story on "conservative" media does the same thing and then gets repeated here. But, yeah, they're not the ones being gaslighted here.
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Are you woman? Can you speak for women to say it's no big
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deal for them to share a private space like a bathroom or locker room with a grown man? Every female I know, particularly the feminists, have a problem with it. So are you mansplaining to them that they shouldn't have an issue with it?
Do you have a wife/daughter?
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You guys are really flailing here...
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Am I a woman. No.
Are you? No.
Every female I know, particularly feminists (but also non), doesn't have a problem with it. So are you mansplaining to them that they should have an issue with it?
See how fun that is?
Any more thoughts going into answering 19B's question or are you satisfied with continuing to dance this dance?
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Not really, we're giving you very real scenarios that you
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just want to pretend can't happen, even though they have. I guess we need hundreds of them before you think there's a problem though?
We've got males winning female of the year awards, dominating some women's sports, yet the idea that a sexual predator would exploit this trend to gain access to their victims is just too absurd for you to believe?
Can you answer Obeds question? You're totally good with Ben Bouleware in a dress following your wife or daughter into the bathroom to do their business?
How about this, say your daughter plays a contact sport like lacrosse. Are you good with her competing against a make, who can physically wreck her?
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Dance continues...
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I love that you compared "males" winning female of the year awards to sexual predators. What a great way to sum up the mindset of where you guys are coming from on this issue. Bravo.
You still can't answer 19B's question/argument so your only recourse is to continue to throw hypotheticals or change the subject to sports (which I actually think there is an argument to be had regarding sports, but it's still clearly an attempt to run away from 19B's point).
Am I fine with a transgender person using the same bathroom as my wife/girlfriend/sister/daughter/mother/grandmother/etc.? Yes.
Am I fine with a sexual predator using the bathroom with my wife/girlfriend/sister/daughter/mother/grandmother/etc.? No.
Some of us can see a distinction there.
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Are you always going to be there to determine whether
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the guy following them into the bathroom is a transgender person or a sexual predator, or are you just going to hope for the best?
I do think you guys hone in on this aspect of the debate in an attempt to distract from how absurd the overall topic is though. It's not the sole problem people have with it, but it's a big one. I'm not trying to run away from anyone's point, I've directly addressed it several times. You apparently refuse to believe that this trend would ever be exploited by sexual predators, which is naivety on a scale that is almost impressive. We had two rapes at my high school, guess where they happened? The bathrooms.
Care to comment on the puberty blocking/surgery aspect? Or are you just going to cherry pick this portion of the debate to comment on, while ignoring the insanity that makes up the rest of it? You've also done quite a bit of dancing around the direct questions I've ask you.
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Can you quote the answer to 19B's question you gave?
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I somehow missed it. Specifically, this question, "how many hundreds of examples do we have of this happening with several years of shared bathrooms under our belts?"
I'm not always going to be there to determine if the person who follows or if there is a person already lying in wait in the bathroom is a sexual predator, no. No one is for sexual predators, but some are against conflating transgenderism with sexual predators. Hopefully you see the absurdity of even posing that question.
You brought this topic up, so it's kind of hard to now play the "you guys hone in on this aspect of the debate to distract..." card.
Were the rapes in your high school by transgender men/women? If not, then think about what that might tell you about your argument. Also, how does the location of the rapes play into your argument?
I think there the topic of puberty blocking/surgery and transgender persons in sports are valid arguments and I see the validity of both sides. I don't know enough about the puberty blocking/surgery to fall strongly one way or the other as of now. Without knowing much, I'd say I wouldn't want anything permanent done until the person is over the age of 18 unless there is a medical reason or psychological emergency (read:suicide prevention). If I learn more about it I'd have more to say and probably post it in threads where it's being discussed (unlike this one).
What other direct questions have you asked that I haven't answered?
I look forward to seeing your answer to 19B's post that I missed.
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I've said multiple times there have been some instances
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We've also had instances where trans people went to women's prisons and impregnated other inmates, we've had the teammates of trans people say they are uncomfortable sharing locker rooms with them, women have expressed their concern in competing against them, etc. so to act like this nonsense isn't already causing problems is to have your head firmly in the sand.
You seem to really be struggling with the concept that a predator would utilize the normalization of men in woman's facilities to gain easier access to their victims. This was one of several points/concerns I brought up regarding this topic, but this is the only one you chose to comment on.
The rapes were not committed by transgender men, and how does the location play into my argument? It's pretty wild I have to explain this, but public bathrooms are a spot where people, particularly women, are especially vulnerable. Pants around ankles, sitting down in a confined, private space...They're kind of sitting ducks.
Now you will say, "well bathroom rules won't stop a predator from doing something illegal" to which I will agree, but I will also tell you that normalizing men in women's bathrooms will absolutely make it easier for them. If the hens don't cluck when a fox comes in the house, that puts them all at greater risk.
That's kind of a wishy washy way to say you more or less agree with the absurdity of mutilating children, but don't want to take a firm stance....so maybe there is some level of agreement. Although you don't need to "know more" to realize/understand that men competing against women in sports is grossly unfair, or that blocking a child from going through puberty is child abuse.
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Just so we're clear on this part of the discussion...
Mar 28, 2023, 5:27 PM
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You have no answer for this question from 19B: "how many hundreds of examples do we have of this happening with several years of shared bathrooms under our belts?"
Your examples of transgender people in prisons impregnating other inmates and teammates of transgender people saying they feel uncomfortable sharing locker rooms are not answers to that question. They are their own separate issues that were never discussed in this part of the thread until you brought them up right now.
I'm not struggling with the concept, I'm asking for evidence it happens. We need a baseline for the argument and there doesn't appear to be one. How many rapes occur in bathrooms, in general, is another baseline. Without those, we're just left with emotionally based (fear) arguments based on an already biased point of view.
Another important baseline is that, according to this: https://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf
The majority of rapes occur by someone the victim knows and at or near their homes.
An additional logic question to ask here is why would a sexual predator need to go through the act of "bugs bunnying" themselves to commit their crimes? Restrooms aren't surveilled and are often close to one another so the opportunity is already present enough without the need for a disguise. If anything, if they are 6'2 and in drag it would draw more attention to them, not less.
Curious, what is your take on "family" restrooms and this issue?
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Again, do we need to have hundreds of examples for you to
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Consider it a problem? Part of the problem with the question, is that we do not have several years of shared bathrooms under our belts. Maybe some places do, but the vast majority of our society has not normalized that.
Again, you are trying to hone in on the bathroom aspect of it when the issue is men in women’s facilities. Those include bathrooms, locker rooms, female prisons, etc so no they are not separate issues. They all fall under the same umbrella.
How can we have a baseline when this is a completely new problem? I’ve already answered your question in regards to why they would “bugs bunny” themselves, it creates additional opportunity for them. If men in women’s restrooms are normalized, the. The 6’2” guy in drag does not draw the attention he otherwise would/should. See my comment about the hens not clucking when the fox comes in their house. Why do hunters camouflage themselves? It’s the same principle.
Family bathrooms are isolated, individual bathrooms. Different environment from what we’re talking about here with the standard stall setup.
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Hey deweather
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Since you don't care enough to ask again...
Mar 28, 2023, 6:38 PM
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I'll answer.
Engaged (no date for wedding in case you wanted to know) with no kids.
I also have a mother and a sister as well as multiple young cousins I'm pretty close with. I also have a friend who is transgender.
I think pretty much everyone has an important female in their life that this issue or the issue of rape in general is pretty universal. That's why I didn't answer the question initially (also don't like giving out personal info, even if vague, on message boards).
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I think on its face, the real logical disconnect here is
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People getting worked up over an attempt to legislate something that they describe as “no big deal” and a statistical improbability. If it’s no big deal and a non-occurrence, the reaction should be one of complete and total indifference.
This lazy argument, on one hand, mockingly acts like the right is legislating whether people can be allowed to flap their arms and fly, but on the other hand gets angry about it like they’re legislating whether someone can have blonde hair. It’s incongruent. You can’t say something doesn’t happen and is a non-event and then purport to care about it.
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Re: here is one
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So, yeah...
Mar 28, 2023, 12:38 AM
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A person who is going into a bathroom to rape a woman isn't going to worry about bathroom policies. He's just going to go in there.
And before you cite that Virginia school case, that was determined upon investigation to not be a result of bathroom policies but rather the school's failure to deal with the constant warning signs the young man had of being a sexual predator.
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Re: So, yeah... BS
Mar 28, 2023, 9:18 PM
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Rapists are predators, just like animal predators.
Animal predators commonly lay in wait patiently for the circumstances of an easy-to-overwhelm vulnerable victim to come into the ‘pounce zone’ to converge with a time when others from the herd are not present to protect the vulnerable target.
Patience leads to the reward (getting the victim) with a minimum of risk.
This tactic works for rapists, too.
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Re: So, yeah... BS
Mar 28, 2023, 10:37 PM
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Does a lion wait for the zebras to pass a policy that it's okay to for them to come strolling into the grass and pretend they're zebras?
No.
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Re: So, yeah... BS
Mar 30, 2023, 10:15 AM
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That’s an obtuse analogy.
Not all predators are lions.
There are predators that lay in wait for their prey, and then behave exactly as I had described.
Good attempt at deflection, though, to defend your side’s indefensible position.
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Re: So, yeah...
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Re: So, yeah...
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If any more women despising lefties show up, they’ll deflect on this by implying that the sub-thread is only about rape by trannies and / or tranny posers.
They’ll respond by saying that women and girls see all kinds of videos and literature (probably in public school libraries) of guys whacking off, so why would being subject to that behavior by tranny / fake-tranny guys in women’s bathrooms become the new concern.
(*). Until their thought-masters tell them otherwise, you’ll continue to hear ridiculous defenses of the ‘right’ for trannies and tranny posers to have unfettered access to women’s bathrooms.
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Re: Or maybe people aren't comfortable with mentally ill guys
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sharing facilities with their daughters and wives? Or their daughters having to compete against them in sports? Then there's the whole transition surgery on minors thing, which is clear cut child abuse.
It is fascinating how progressives are always able to turn the tables though, now we hear "where did this anti trans hysteria come from?!?"...Well, it came from trying to force the public to accept this insanity. That should be obvious to everyone.
What you are saying goes against the scientific consensus.
Just because something makes you uncomfortable doesn't make it "insanity" or "child abuse."
(There is a crazy lady where I live who goes to every BOE meeting to read passages from books in the school library that she wants removed. She declares them all to be 'child pornography,' which they most certainly are not. The simple accusation does not make something true, even if you think so.)
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-the-science-on-gender-affirming-care-for-transgender-kids-really-shows/
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"Scientific consensus" Good lord, I hate to invoke Godwin's
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law, but this is Nazi level insanity that "science" has many of you buying into. They used "science" to justify a lot of their atrocities too. Blocking a child from going through puberty is 100% child abuse, and there's no other way to spin it.
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Mengelesque...***
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It genuinely is, if you are OK with blocking a kid from
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going through puberty because science says so, there's probably nothing that you won't be OK with as long as science says it's alright.
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Re: "Scientific consensus" Good lord, I hate to invoke Godwin's
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law, but this is Nazi level insanity that "science" has many of you buying into. They used "science" to justify a lot of their atrocities too. Blocking a child from going through puberty is 100% child abuse, and there's no other way to spin it.
Because you have such a strong medical background in these gender issues?
I guess conservatives think science is a liberal construct.
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Would you have needed to be a surgeon in order to know
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that cutting organs out of people while they were awake and without anesthesia was wrong during WWII? I guess unless you had a strong medical background, it would have been impossible for you to know?
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The Tuskegee Experiment was clearly ethically sound.
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It was trained doctors doing the experiments.
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They were medical professionals, who would we be to
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question? lol
I mean it is comical to a degree, but it's also frightening how quickly so many people will go along with something just because an "expert" tells them. We have trained a large part of the population to ignore all common sense and critical thought, instead outsourcing those things to "experts" who, frankly, very rarely end up being right about anything.
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Re: Or maybe people aren't comfortable with mentally ill guys
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I hate the "they/them" pronouns just because it's confusing. We're being asked to refer to someone as such a complex and special flower they require being referred to in the plural when they are actually a singular person, which creates confusion.
I could care less if somebody wants a special set of pronouns. You're uncomfortable being referred to as "he" or "she"? Fine. Pick a new pronoun set, then, that implies "neither primary gender", and let's all agree on what it is, but it shouldn't be "they/them" because that one's taken and it refers to multiple individuals, which, pretensions aside, a "gender binary" person is not. The world's confusing enough, let's not add to it.
So they/them is, sorry, stupid, but then, so is the insanely disproportional hatred we're seeing of trans folks. I don't get it - I'm a dude and absolutely would never wanna be a chick or "other" - but apparently some folks don't feel that way, and it's not my place to tell them how they should be living their lives. And whether the grunting Neanderthals on this thread like it or not, trans is here to stay. The original gender reassignments were fairly grotesque and crude and not even skin-deep, but modern ones involve very complex facial and body surgeries and hormone therapies. What's resulting nowadays is still biologically a fair distance from being the opposite sex, but it's getting a bunch closer, and as germline genetic therapies progress - which isn't far off, by the way - it's going to be genuinely possible for a male to become an actual biological female, and vice versa. At which point sex will indeed be a matter of conscious decision for all.
Don't like it? Tough. It's coming, whether you say yay or nay. Those of us not involved don't get a vote on that.
Also...the first transexual? It was Dora Richter, born 1891. Dora was born a male, and received gender reassignment surgery in 1931's. She was believed killed by the Nazis in 1933 when they attacked the Institute for Sexual Research in Bohemia - the first clinic for gender reassignment surgery - where she worked.
So rock on, haters. You're in great company. You'd think this information might give someone of good faith at least brief pause, but I think we already know it won't, which is very telling.
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Re: Or maybe people aren't comfortable with mentally ill guys
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Let everyone know when the futuristic gender reassignment procedures create emotionally and psychologically stable human beings.
The current SOTA gender reassignment surgeries and hormonal therapeutics are only converting the already unstable pre-tranny people into less stable people.
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Not necessarily, and frankly if I were a gay person I'd be
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pretty insulted to be lumped in with trans people. There's a pretty big difference in liking the same sex vs thinking you are the opposite sex.
It'd be like telling someone that is a nervous public speaker that they're not much different than a schizophrenic.
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Re: Are gay people mentally ill?
Mar 27, 2023, 3:21 PM
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Maybe it's God's way of slowing down all the breeders who think they have to field a football team out of their wives' crotches? Since we're already too overcrowded?
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So Bill Gates is behind this too?***
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I dunno...
Mar 27, 2023, 3:58 PM
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Is he labeling anyone who is different than him "mentally ill"?
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Re: I dunno...
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That would make an interesting National Geographic doc.***
Mar 27, 2023, 4:04 PM
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Re: Where did the anti-trans-hysteria come from?
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Mar 27, 2023, 2:32 PM
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I'd say it started around the time men started slapping around women (literally at times) in womens sports followed by public schools deciding to attempt to sever the parent child relationship any time they were able to convince a second grader they were the "wrong" gender.
I realize leftists think kids are govt property and despise any parent that gets in the way of six year olds being brainwashed and then permanently disfigured based on no scientific evisence whatsover, but the rest of us, shockingly, see things differently.
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Re: Where did the anti-trans-hysteria come from?
Mar 27, 2023, 2:42 PM
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I posted the scientific article link above.
Obviously, nobody is being brainwashed except for the hysterical here.
I think you confuse "available information" with "forcing someone to have a sex change" which is kind of weird.
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Re: Where did the anti-trans-hysteria come from?
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Mar 27, 2023, 2:49 PM
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The article you posted begins with calling it 'Gender Affirming Care' as opposed to what it really is, which is 'Gender Changing Treatment', so anything else it has to say is worthless.
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Re: Where did the anti-trans-hysteria come from?
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Mar 28, 2023, 2:25 AM
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Grimm has no idea what science is, like most of them
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My biggest problem with trans is biological males competing
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Mar 27, 2023, 3:04 PM
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in biological women's sports. IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE BIOLOGICAL WOMEN (prove it to me otherwise).
Males are stronger, bigger and faster. I don't understand why you "woke" liberals don't understand that.
I also believe there are some cases where males "identify" as a female in order to compete with other females because they are not good enough to compete with males.
As for the rest of it, if your mental state is such that you think you're of the opposite gender, have at it. I really don't care.
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Re: My biggest problem with trans is biological males competing
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Mar 27, 2023, 3:14 PM
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This, really, and requiring people to be 18 before those surgeries, are the only valid arguments in this discussion.
After that, it's just trying to oppress people they find "icky". Just let them have their #### drag shows and pronouns and stop making it a political issue.
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That'll work.***
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Mar 27, 2023, 3:24 PM
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Ehhhh, not really.
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Mar 27, 2023, 3:47 PM
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There is also compassion required in wishing someone needing help could actually get it, instead of a pat on the back and a “go throw on a dress and figure it out yourself, you’re good” only to see them kill themselves at an rate much, much higher than the statistical norm.
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No, that's it.
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Mar 27, 2023, 3:55 PM
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Let people be and treat them equally. That's how we have to handle it for grown adults.
Because what would be the other solution? It certainly isn't making them pariahs and trying to throw in jail for drag shows. It's also silly that some folks can't see this is a complete GOP red herring issue.
Maybe a political party should stop demonizing this little minority segment just to get votes.
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Maybe a political party should stop AGGRANDIZING this
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Mar 27, 2023, 4:10 PM
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little minority segment just to get votes... Who's doing the shows, the awards, the promotions, the parades...? Wake up.
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I dunno, who is doing all those things?
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Mar 27, 2023, 4:12 PM
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Tell me what you've learned about the evil Democratic-funded drag shows in Tennessee to bring down America?!
Did trannies fly the planes into the WTC?
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Stay on topic.***
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Mar 27, 2023, 4:26 PM
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Re: Maybe a political party should stop AGGRANDIZING this
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Mar 27, 2023, 5:26 PM
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little minority segment just to get votes... Who's doing the shows, the awards, the promotions, the parades...? Wake up.
So you believe in the tyranny of the majority over the minority?
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Other than trying to 'flip' kids, I don't care (as stated).***
Mar 27, 2023, 5:38 PM
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Re: No, that's it. UR not sincere re: treat people equally
Mar 30, 2023, 10:54 AM
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To Cat’s statement “ Let people be and treat them equally. That's how we have to handle it for grown adults” …
Would that statement be true if they wore MAGA clothing?
Of course not.
Lefties will apply their personal judgement about what are acceptable ‘looks’ for society, according to their whims of judgement.
(Wait for it … their deflection tactic that conservatives are equating MAGA to trannies. Very funny, but a deflection nevertheless. They won’t stop it on the ‘tranny rights for everything’ mantra until their thought masters tell them to stop.)
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Re: My biggest problem with trans is biological males competing
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Mar 27, 2023, 3:15 PM
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"As for the rest of it, if your mental state is such that you think you're of the opposite gender, have at it. I really don't care."
Ditto. Except I'd add "As long as you don't demand that I go along with your twisted fantasy."
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Re: My biggest problem with trans is biological males competing
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Mar 27, 2023, 3:49 PM
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Nobody is going to make you get a sex change, if that is what you mean.
If you don't want to respect everyone (including trans people) you would remain part of the problem.
"As long as you don't demand that I go along with your twisted fantasy" could be translated into "as long as I can continue to project my bigotry," no?
Y'all means All, as they like to say at the Bitter Southerner.
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Re: My biggest problem with trans is biological males competing
Mar 27, 2023, 3:55 PM
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I'll gladly respect anyone deserving of it. But respect is earned, and demanding that I call a boy a girl or vice versa won't earn it by a long shot.
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Re: My biggest problem with trans is biological males competing
Mar 27, 2023, 5:28 PM
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I'll gladly respect anyone deserving of it. But respect is earned, and demanding that I call a boy a girl or vice versa won't earn it by a long shot.
Courtesy is a liberal value?
I just can't get upset by the simple request to refer to someone by the pronoun they desire. Why would that raise my blood pressure in the slightest?
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Re: My biggest problem with trans is biological males competing
Mar 28, 2023, 12:50 AM
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Nice jump cut, Chrissy.
I'm sure you don't get upset by the simple request to call a spade a diamond.
Makes one wonder what other definitions you might reckon malleable.
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Re: My biggest problem with trans is biological males competing
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Mar 28, 2023, 1:09 AM
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Nice jump cut, Chrissy.
I'm sure you don't get upset by the simple request to call a spade a diamond.
Makes one wonder what other definitions you might reckon malleable.
I'm sorry you are such a snowflake. Courtesy is really easy, if you aren't an 100% self-centered moron.
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Re: My biggest problem with trans is biological males competing
Mar 28, 2023, 1:16 AM
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Oh, don't be sorry, Chrissy. It's not becoming of your.. *snicker*... masculine nature.
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Re: My biggest problem with trans is biological males competing
Mar 30, 2023, 10:58 AM
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Also, Mr. Pawacoot, another exception to the ditto …
“As long as you don’t expect to be able to access the domains of women’s bathrooms / grooming facilities or be allowed to compete in women’s athletics.”
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Tranny N’ville shooter = White Christian Male Toxicity
Mar 27, 2023, 5:55 PM
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Nashville school mass murderer, the ‘assigned at birth as female’ now transitioned to male … Audrey Hale … raises the ante about the mental illness aspect of trannies.
Next, in defense of the mental whack-job angry trannies, the LGBTQ virtue signaling crowd will blame it all on White Christian Male Toxicity (since the toxic male Ms. / Mr. Audrey Hale was educated during her youth at the private school).
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Her 'he/him' new name is Aidan...***
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Mar 27, 2023, 5:58 PM
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Great timing on this post btw***
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Mar 27, 2023, 6:30 PM
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All of the “hysteria” seems to surround sports
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Mar 27, 2023, 7:06 PM
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Trans folks can Tran if they wish - but they shouldn’t tromp on the rights of others in doing so - I’m talking about males wanting to compete against females in sports.
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Re: All of the “hysteria” seems to surround sports
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Mar 27, 2023, 8:24 PM
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And, people need to stop hormonally poisoning kids and performing life altering surgeries on kids.
If you're a dude that wants to dress up like a woman IDGAF, but keep your hands off kids.
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Re: All of the “hysteria” seems to surround sports
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Trans folks can Tran if they wish - but they shouldn’t tromp on the rights of others in doing so - I’m talking about males wanting to compete against females in sports.
How is that "tromping the rights of others," especially when women athletes seem to largely support it?
Or do you know what is good for women more than women athletes know what is good for women?
If you don't think "men" should compete with women in sports, do you think "men" should be making decisions about women's reproductive rights?
Sexist hypocrites pretending to care about women, is what this is. It's posturing.
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Re: Where did the anti-trans-hysteria come from?
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Mar 27, 2023, 8:41 PM
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There is no trans hysteria. The left says there is to create Anti- anti trans gender hysteria among the pro trans so the conservatives can't have a day of peace. It's so simple even a simple mind such as yours should be able to figure it out.
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Re: Where did the anti-trans-hysteria come from?
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There is no trans hysteria. The left says there is to create Anti- anti trans gender hysteria among the pro trans so the conservatives can't have a day of peace. It's so simple even a simple mind such as yours should be able to figure it out.
I guess you have been sleeping through the anti-trans legislation that has sailed through the reddest state legislatures? The hysteria about trans kids participation in sports. And the hysteria about what books are on school library shelves. The simplest mind is the one who ignores what's is happening and the most cowardly one denies it.
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Re: Where did the anti-trans-hysteria come from?
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Mar 28, 2023, 2:31 AM
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There is no anti-trans hysteria. Your echo chamber is fabricating fake news that conservatives hate everyone because of who or what they are.
We hate dumba$$ leftists whose stupid ideas are changing the country permanently. It’s equal hate whether you are straight, gay, trans, white, black, male, female.
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Re: Where did the anti-trans-hysteria come from?
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Mar 28, 2023, 2:45 AM
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There is no anti-trans hysteria. Your echo chamber is fabricating fake news that conservatives hate everyone because of who or what they are.
We hate dumba$$ leftists whose stupid ideas are changing the country permanently. It’s equal hate whether you are straight, gay, trans, white, black, male, female.
Conspiracy theorists like you get worked up about people who live in ways different from your world view.
You won't read the article because you are afraid to confront your own ignorance.
You just want to believe your own conspiracy theories about birtherism, the Big Steal, and COVID, while whining to the world about why you think it is so difficult to get adequate health care for your children.
You are trying to compensate for your shortcomings by finding other people to point your finger at, which is sad because it is only your family that suffers because of your impotence. Sad.
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Re: Where did the anti-trans-hysteria come from?
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Mar 28, 2023, 4:34 AM
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I almost feel sorry for you.
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