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Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
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Jul 6, 2023, 7:26 PM
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I think Whitehurst ,Dantzler,and Fuller could have. I exclude Homer just because he won one anyway.
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Re: Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
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Jul 6, 2023, 7:29 PM
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I should have added Boyd as well.
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Re: Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
Jul 26, 2016, 1:33 PM
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No way on Boyd. Not disrespecting him, but he had big game chokes.
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Re: Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
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Jul 6, 2023, 7:34 PM
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Trying to stay as apples to apples as possible in terms of era
I think Whitehurst is a good choice but Cullen Harper was pretty efficient but with out the same talent around him as the 16 and18 teams
I think he would lose in 16 but win in 18
Our OL and DL in 18 was dominate and that makes any QB look good
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Re: Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
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Jul 6, 2023, 7:37 PM
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That's what I was getting at. With that amount of talent you just needed someone efficient.
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I have strong doubts anyone listed****
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Jul 6, 2023, 7:40 PM
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I think Watson is the only one for 2016
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Jul 6, 2023, 7:52 PM
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For 2018, I think there may be several others. Coot Killer Whitehurst woukd have had a good shot. Maybe Tajh.
But for 2016 the magician that was DW4 was needed.
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Re: I think Watson is the only one for 2016
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Jul 6, 2023, 8:40 PM
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I did not say that explicitly but that was my thoughts too
Watson demanded we win not just from himself but those around him.
We were good enough to just thump Bama but did not really “know” it at that time in the program- Watson showed the way.
For 18 we Knew and we were stacked, not taking away from Trevor but the 18 team needed a manager more than a leader compared to the 16 team.
I am not talking talent just mental aspects
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Re: I think Watson is the only one for 2016
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Jul 6, 2023, 8:57 PM
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That's why I would throw Chase Brice in the mix for 2018 TigerBean
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Re: Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
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Jul 6, 2023, 7:58 PM
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I don't think some people realize how good those two were. They are so much better than any quarterbacks Clemson has ever had its not even close. We could spend the next 50 years waiting on someone else to be that good, and it may not happen. Hopefully, it will, but those guys were unreal.
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Re: Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
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Jul 6, 2023, 7:59 PM
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They are two of the all time best college qb's for any school.
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Re: Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
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Jul 6, 2023, 8:25 PM
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2016? No one. That took every ounce of force of will from DW4 to make that happen. I think Trevor could have done it, but that's it.
2018? That team was magnificent, maybe a couple of others could have made that happen.
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Re: Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
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Jul 6, 2023, 8:49 PM
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No one except for Watson wins in 2016….. He played his best games on the biggest stage. I love Trevor and I want to say he would too but sometimes he didn’t play all that well in the big games. 2018 team Trevor and DW4 obviously…... Tajh Boyd yes. Clipboard Jesus maybe. I don’t think Woody could have just b/c I think if Kelly couldn’t do it in 17 I don’t think Woody does it in 18. The reason I say that is b/c you could make an argument that with Trevor or DW4 on the 17 team would possibly be better than the 18 team. Just my 2 cents
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I dunno, maybe none
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Jul 6, 2023, 9:12 PM
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I think you might be underestimating just how good those guys were.
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So, that was my list to a TEE.......***
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Jul 6, 2023, 9:16 PM
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Re: So, that was my list to a TEE.......***
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Jul 6, 2023, 9:47 PM
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Fuller for sure!
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Re: Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
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Jul 6, 2023, 9:57 PM
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I truly don't think any of our former QBs could have taken them to the title. Of course it's possible that I'm wrong.
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Is this question a joke???!
Jul 6, 2023, 10:19 PM
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In 2016 only Watson could have won that for us, not even TLaw. We won on the last play of the Natty game on his back, never mind the FSU and Louisville games we rode on his back to win, nobody else in Clemson history would have gotten us that far.
In 2018, nobody outside of Watson and TLaw could have guided us to that. You really think, some other QB, with half the arm of TLaw would have dominated that Natty like him or even gotten us undefeated to that point? Come on, let’s try to be real for one minute!!!
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Re: Is this question a joke???!
Jul 7, 2023, 7:27 AM
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In 2016 only Watson could have won that for us, not even TLaw. We won on the last play of the Natty game on his back, never mind the FSU and Louisville games we rode on his back to win, nobody else in Clemson history would have gotten us that far.
In 2018, nobody outside of Watson and TLaw could have guided us to that. You really think, some other QB, with half the arm of TLaw would have dominated that Natty like him or even gotten us undefeated to that point? Come on, let’s try to be real for one minute!!!
Lighten up! It was a hypothetical question for conversation.
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Fuller for sure. Wouldn't feel bad about Boyd/Dantzler.***
Jul 7, 2023, 12:43 AM
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When these type of threads
Jul 7, 2023, 7:32 AM
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pop up, nobody ever mentions Harvey White. Look him up
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How quickly we forget Chad Kelly
Jul 7, 2023, 7:48 AM
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LOL, just kidding. I have nothing to add to this thread. I am not convinced that Joe Burrow, Tom Brady, or even Joe Montana could have led us to the same outcome. 15 games is a lot. Close to 3,000 plays on either side of the ball, many of which could have individually changed the end result. There are just too many factors to be considered other than talent level. Injuries.
I will always celebrate those titles and the warriors who led us to them.
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Whitehurst would have won one with that roster.***
Jul 7, 2023, 11:45 AM
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I know it's difficult to compare players from different eras
Jul 7, 2023, 12:31 PM
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and the early 2000s were truly a different era than what DW4 and TLaw played in, but I feel like Whitehurst is consistently overrated by our fans.
He threw for 49 TDs, 46 INTs, 7.1 YPA, and 59.7% completion % over 4 seasons. And with the exception of 2004, he had some pretty darn good WRs to throw to.
He threw a pick once every 29.7 passes. For comparison DJ averaged an INT once every 50.6 passes, Deshaun 1 in 37.7 and Trevor 1 in 66.9! Whitehurst's career completion % is also identical to DJs and his YPA is only slightly higher
Again, QB numbers were worse across the board back then, but if he put up similar numbers today our fans would be running him out of town like they did DJ.
He definitely threw a prettier ball than DJ and had much better intangibles, but he was also a turnover machine and had an absolutely horrific 2004 season.
Maybe you can pin all the blame on Bowden and his staff for squandering Charlie's potential, but the results weren't there no matter which way you slice it.
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Re: Other than Lawrence or Watson, what former qbs could have led Clemson to a title in 16' and 18'?
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Jul 7, 2023, 12:46 PM
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Hunter Renfrow.
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