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Oculus Spirit [97968]
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Question for the politics bored
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Jun 22, 2023, 11:07 AM
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Just curious. Dems, why do you want to tie your hopes up in Joe Biden? And pubs, why do you want to tie your hopes up in Donald Trump? And why, dems, do you want to tie your hopes up with AOC? And pubs, why do you want to tie your hopes up with people like MTG and Boebert and Santos?
I mean WHO votes for these "leaders"? Who wants a person, human beings LIKE THIS, in charge of their country?
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All-In [38514]
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To be fair, Representatives aren't national elections
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Jun 22, 2023, 11:14 AM
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So not sure that anyone on either side outside of those districts are necessarily tying their hopes to any of those. The House will always have its idiots.
And even when it comes to President, there is still a large degree of voting for who you get. Trump really is an outlier in the blind support that he gets, and cult of personality is rare and dangerous in democracy.
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Heisman Winner [138413]
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Ranked choice voting is the only escape from this cluster.
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Jun 22, 2023, 11:15 AM
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Which Congress would never even consider, since it is counter to their best interests, so....enjoy the ride.
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All-In [38514]
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Absolutely!!!***
Jun 22, 2023, 11:16 AM
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CU Medallion [58654]
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It's mostly people who have bought into the concept that
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Jun 22, 2023, 11:18 AM
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all people who disagree with you are your enemy, and the power of the federal government must be used to stop them, and all compromise = weakness.
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Legend [17417]
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Have you considered other possibilities….
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Jun 22, 2023, 12:01 PM
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Many Democrats don’t fully embrace Biden or AOC.
Many Republican don’t fully embrace Trump or MTG.
It would be nice to have pragmatic approaches and rational discussion rather than BS posturing for social media and media that appeal to extremes
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CU Medallion [58654]
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It's a totally legit question.
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Jun 22, 2023, 12:20 PM
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Millions of people vote for them.
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All-In [38514]
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Millions of people voted for AOC and MTG?***
Jun 22, 2023, 2:21 PM
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CU Medallion [58654]
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Uhhhh ... no. ?
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Jun 22, 2023, 2:38 PM
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The post(s) I'm responding too references Trump, Biden, MTG and AOC, Boebert, and Santos. Millions of votes.
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All-In [38514]
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A congressional district is around 750k population.
Jun 22, 2023, 3:21 PM
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So no representative has received millions of votes.
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CU Medallion [58654]
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Not what I'm saying.
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Jun 22, 2023, 5:03 PM
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Trump, Biden, MTG, AOC, Boebert, Santos.
Millions of people voted for them, not each one of them.
Back to my original point, it's legitimate to ask who and why people voted for them. People are voting for them in sufficient numbers to elect them to serve at the highest levels, whether it's 80 million or 150,000, and I think that's the point, and the concern, thus the question "why" and "who".
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All-TigerNet [13301]
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I voted for Trump cause:
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Jun 22, 2023, 12:04 PM
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Lower taxes
Less regulations
More secure border
Telling UN and NATO to start paying up
Energy independence
Booming economy
Not bowing down to the climate change cult
All others are not representative of my district.
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CU Medallion [58654]
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That sums it up pretty well for me too.***
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Jun 22, 2023, 12:34 PM
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Orange Blooded [4024]
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Re: I voted for Trump cause:
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Jun 22, 2023, 7:44 PM
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Balanced budget and elimination of the federal debt is no longer a conservative boilerplate.
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110%er [5717]
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Re: Question for the politics bored
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Jun 22, 2023, 1:27 PM
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IMO what is going on in the country is a lot more than Trump/Biden. Trump's election was a result of the left becoming extreme left.
People/candidates come and go, but the culture/platform stuff is harder to change. With the momentum behind the craziness on the left, social media, university indoctrination, identity politics, white supremacy is the biggest threat, change your kids changer w/o telling parents, etc. etc. etc. all this bullchit will exist far beyond Trump, Biden, MGT, and Boeb.
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Re: Question for the politics bored
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Jun 23, 2023, 12:32 PM
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> Trump's election was a result of the left becoming extreme left.
Just lol. Even who you pick is the left’s fault.
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110%er [7302]
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Re: Question for the politics bored
Jun 22, 2023, 9:30 PM
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Voted for Trump the first time (primary and general) because he, unlike the other Pub candidates, was:
Opposed to tepidly pursued wars (I.e., opposite to the GWB approach to Afghanistan & Obama’s approach to ISIS)
Opposed to wars designed to make politicians ‘look tough’ (I.e., GWB - Iraq& Hillary’s overthrow of Qaddafi / Libya)
Platform of sincerity to push policies that would encourage onshoring of strategic industries.
Will vote for Trump (if he is the nominee; DeSantis if Trump doesn’t get there) because Trump will:
Trump will fight to undo the weaponization of the federal bureaucracy; our weaponized bureaucracy is the single biggest threat to widespread American freedoms since the War of 1812.
Trump (same as DeSantis) will lead the reversal of non-merit based employment and academic standards.
Trump (and DeSantis) will actively support school choice; widespread options for school choice will be the single biggest factor to motivate public schools undo their authoritarian social justice driven agenda.
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Oculus Spirit [97968]
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Hitler and Lenin all recieved votes due to their stance
Jun 23, 2023, 8:40 AM
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on the "issues". I can go on...Mao, Castro, Chavez, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, the list is endless.
There's a danger people who only judge a politician based on rhetoric face that they will never realize, until it's too late. You vote character first, then rhetoric. Any bad actor can tell people what they want to hear. It takes a good actor to tell people what they don't want to hear. And then we vote for the rhetoric, and what we want to hear. That cracks the door enough for bad actors to enter the picture. It cascades from there. This is how democracies become dictatorships.
I just don't ascribe to that mindset. I've read too many history books.
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110%er [7302]
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Dictatorship first requires control of the bureaucracy
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Jun 23, 2023, 11:27 AM
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Trump has zero chance of becoming a dictator.
Control of the bureaucracy is an absolute necessity for a dictatorship to take place.
Military means or tightly controlled paramilitary organizations to replace the bureaucracy with the dictator’s own bureaucrats is one way to take control of the bureaucracy. This was the tactic of Hitler, Castro, Pol Pot, and Saddam Hussein.
Building relationships with the existing bureaucracy is another means by which a wanna be dictator can achieve his objective.
Stalin patiently worked the existing Soviet bureaucracy. Trotsky got all of the early publicity because of his rousing speeches and highly visible public persona. The outside world (and many within the Soviet political infrastructure) did not see the rise of Stalin coming. It was not until numerous high profile Lenin associates got Arkancided that it dawned on people that Stalin was on his way to power. Stalin’s path took ~ 15 years to work.
Xi Jinping has acquired his power by the slow and steady Stalin approach.
Trump has neither the paramilitary, military, or ‘corrupt the bureaucracy’ ability to become a dictator.
Biden’s successor, on the other hand, be in position to be the early stage of dictatorship by virtue of being the ‘head of an authoritarian central committee’ leader role. This is the clear and present danger to those who are paying attention.
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Oculus Spirit [81409]
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lol***
Jun 23, 2023, 11:58 AM
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110%er [7302]
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Re: lol***
Jun 23, 2023, 2:15 PM
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LOL … the response of the ignorant.
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Re: lol***
Jun 23, 2023, 2:37 PM
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lol’ing at you is reasonable.
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All-In [25000]
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Ignore their Lack Of Linguistics... It's easier for the
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Jun 26, 2023, 1:12 PM
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simple minded than actual debate.
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Oculus Spirit [81409]
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What is there to argue?
Jun 26, 2023, 1:30 PM
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That "Biden's successor", whoever that may be, is going to turn the US in to a dictatorship?
Why would anyone argue with that nonsense? You can tell me the earth is flat, and i'm not going to argue with you about that, either. What's the point?
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Oculus Spirit [97968]
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They said the same of Putin. Xi. Hitler too.
Jun 23, 2023, 5:18 PM
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The abilities of each have been underestimated. In fact, THAT is a prerequisite for becoming a dictator. Being underestimated.
Just ask Hunter Renfrow.
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110%er [7302]
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Re: They said the same of Putin. Xi. Hitler too.
Jun 23, 2023, 9:52 PM
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No one in the federal bureaucracy nor among our country’s ~ 50 million Trump haters are ‘taking for granted’ Trump as being a wannabe dictator.
Quite the contrary.
The federal bureaucracy & TDS crowd live in a state of near nervous prostration that the (in their words), dummaass Trump also possesses the ability to become a dictator.
If there is one absolute truth that can be uttered about Trump, it is that he’s not being underestimated.
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Re: Question for the politics bored
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Jun 23, 2023, 12:35 PM
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It cracks me up that you think he had a platform other than demagoguery.
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Re: Question for the politics bored
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Jun 25, 2023, 12:23 AM
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He was building a wall.
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All-TigerNet [11018]
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Maybe we shouldn't let people be "in charge" in the first
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Jun 25, 2023, 12:17 AM
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place.
Maybe people shouldn't be allowed to make edicts that result in you either complying or being murdered just because they won a popularity contest.
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Lot o points [163012]
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Ok, I never post here, but I, like many others I assume
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Jun 25, 2023, 7:30 AM
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are voting against someone vs. for someone.
Sad but true.
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Orange Blooded [3227]
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Re: Question for the politics bored
Jun 25, 2023, 8:17 AM
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I will hold my nose and vote Biden just to keep Trump out, although I don't like Biden and think it's a shame he is running again. That said, if the Repubs put a viable candidate, someone who is "normal" like Nikki Haley or who knows, I would vote for that person over Biden.
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110%er [7302]
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Comparing bad stuff: Biden vs Trump
Jun 25, 2023, 9:48 AM
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Biden = redirecting America’s foreign policy to favor foreign countries in exchange for money being wired to personal bank accounts.
Trump = impulsive talking that is frequently over-the-top unkind to those who have angered him.
Biden = admitting to taking classified documents for 50 years … he had executive privilege for taking those classified documents for only 4 of those years, as protected by Article 2 of the Constitution.
Trump = admitting to taking classified documents during that 4 year interval of time in which he was president; during that 4 year period he had executive privilege as protected by Article 2 of the Constitution.
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