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All-American [581]
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Big 12, question for away games,
Dec 5, 2012, 9:37 AM
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for those wanting Clemson to go the Big 12,
How feasible is it for you to travel to:
Baylor, 970 miles
Iowa State, 1024 miles
Kansas, 939 miles
Kansas St. 1019 miles
OU, 1000 miles
OSU, 1000 miles
TCU, 965 miles
Texas, 1074 miles
Tex. Tech. 1277 miles
WVU, 471 miles
These distances are from Greenville, SC per Map Quest.
Clemson fans traditionally travels very well but I think this will
severely limit travel for some families.
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I'd drive to Lubbock tomorrow. Picture Perfect Place
Dec 5, 2012, 9:38 AM
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and maybe snow for the kids
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CU Guru [1654]
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Are you kidding about Lubbock? It is a wasteland
Dec 5, 2012, 9:42 AM
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Texas.It's some good country.***
Dec 5, 2012, 9:43 AM
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Oculus Spirit [82129]
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I average 2-3 away games a year from Raleigh. If that
Dec 5, 2012, 9:38 AM
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were to happen, I'd average 1 away game every 2-3 years.
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Tradeoff--money and exposure vs travel distances. of course
Dec 5, 2012, 9:39 AM
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having some southern teams and eastern teams in the mix will make it more attractive travel wise.
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After the Big XII adds
Dec 5, 2012, 9:41 AM
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Clemson, FSU, Miami, GaTech, one of the NC schools (preferably NC State), and one of the VA schools, travel out west won't be that much of a concern. We will play the east schedule and mix in a couple of west teams every year.
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HAHAHA....don't hold your breath!***
Dec 5, 2012, 9:43 AM
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It may not be those exact teams,
Dec 5, 2012, 9:49 AM
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but most likely the Big XII will add at least 4 teams from the ACC once the "super conference" movement finally happens. So the basic premise of my post remains. I am just hoping Clemson does not get left in the dust.
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Re: After the Big XII adds
Dec 5, 2012, 10:08 AM
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Actually if Clemson were to bolt fromm the ACC then I'd rather it be for the SEC. Only because to keep the strength and tradition of southern rivalry in this region. Travel won't be as bad too.
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Oh, I agree 100%. The question is
Dec 5, 2012, 10:10 AM
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whether they will invite us or not. I think it is a longshot, but there is a slim chance.
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If 4 current ACC teams made the jump then this
Dec 5, 2012, 9:41 AM
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would be negated to a degree.
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Agree
Dec 5, 2012, 9:44 AM
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It won't just be us...add in GT, VT, FSU and you have some you can make for sure. Plus, I've been to UVA, BC, VT, Miami which are all hikes for me, so I see myself making one far away game a year as me and my dad have the past decade or so
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Agreed***
Dec 5, 2012, 10:20 AM
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I go to 3 away games per year - I would go to 1 in the Big12***
Dec 5, 2012, 9:42 AM
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Did you check distances to Syracuse,BC,and Louisville all of
Dec 5, 2012, 9:44 AM
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which will be in the Atlantic within 2 years? Also possible games in some years in SouthBend and Miami.
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All of this was done this summer. To compare the two
Dec 5, 2012, 9:50 AM
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scenarios is laughable.
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The assumption is we won't go alone...
Dec 5, 2012, 9:45 AM
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If there is expansion, the Big XII would snag a few other more eastern schools.
You're original point is well taken, however. We'll lose the geographic kinship in exchange for the additional millions of dollars.
Or we keep the kinship and get left behind in football relevance.
It's a lousy choice to be made, either way.
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All-American [591]
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Supposedly FSU and 3 others are shopping themselves to all
Dec 5, 2012, 9:45 AM
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the big conferences BIG, BIG 12, and SEC.If and only if this does happen it would make things a lot easier.
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i realize i'm in the minority, but clemson games are
Dec 5, 2012, 9:47 AM
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sort of like road games for us. takes us 3.5 hours to get down there from NC. on the other hand, we are quite close to wake, duke, state and carolina. and VT is not that bad a ride. so we'd definitely go to way fewer road games. but that's just us.
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Oculus Spirit [82129]
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Me too, but Clemson is 4 1/2 for me.
Dec 5, 2012, 9:48 AM
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8 ACC venues (now 7 after Maryland leaves) are within a 5 hour drive of me.
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Think it's different in Texas, Oklahoma?
Dec 5, 2012, 9:56 AM
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I know people who drive all the way from Odessa to Austin every saturday to see UT play...and that's through flat a$$, boring a$$ Texas.
I feel with all of the Tobacco Road schools so close, we as fans are extremely spoiled with how far away each school is. Baton Rouge to Athens/Columbia sure is a hike, but there usually isn't a shortage of yellow n purple in the stands is there?
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what's your point? my point it that i won't be going. but
Dec 5, 2012, 10:24 AM
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the clemson sun does not rise and set with me and my family. if going to another conference is what's best for clemson, then so be it. i just won't be heading to road games nearly as often as i can do in the ACC. that's all i'm saying.
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It's just as easy for me to not go to away games in the
Dec 5, 2012, 9:48 AM
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Big 12 as it is to not go to away games in the ACC.
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Re: Big 12, question for away games,
Dec 5, 2012, 9:49 AM
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Ideally it would be
FSU
NC State
Clemson
GT
making the jump.
Go to a POD system where you would play all of those every year and rotate home and away with the rest.
That would give you a max of 3 away games in those locations.
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There's also the "end game" scenario .....
Dec 5, 2012, 9:50 AM
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Which theorizes the surviving relevant teams form a new CFA sort of group, realigning into more geographic-friendly groups.
If so, the foray into the Big XII, or Big XVI or whatever, will evolve into a Big Southeast ... restoring region rivalries after this period of cross-country wandering.
We shall see....
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agreed....I could see a top 64 schools shaking out from this
Dec 5, 2012, 9:56 AM
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and essentially breaking away from the NCAA to form their own group.
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Re: agreed....I could see a top 64 schools shaking out from this
Dec 5, 2012, 10:32 AM
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450 miles is doable in a weekend. More than that, not so much. Also the teams you cited are in cities with airports and are easy to get in and out of. Some of the schools in the Big 12, not so much.
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Not much different than traveling to....
Dec 5, 2012, 9:55 AM
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Boston (955 miles), Syracuse (820 miles), Miami (732 miles), Pittsburgh (542 miles), Louisville (413 miles), or Tallahassee (406 miles).
That said, if a move to the Big 12 is made, ideally you'd like to have a southern block of schools join us (FSU, VT, GT, and NC State as an example) which would minimize the travel to a certain extent.
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Re: Not much different than traveling to....
Dec 5, 2012, 10:13 AM
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Boston (955 miles) <-- Every other year
Syracuse (820 miles) <-- Every other year
Miami (732 miles) <-- Every 7 years
Pittsburgh (542 miles) <-- Every 7 years
Louisville (413 miles) <-- Every 7 years
or Tallahassee (406 miles) <-- Every other year
You say ideally, but it won't ever be ideal.
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Re: Not much different than traveling to....
Dec 5, 2012, 10:14 AM
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You act as if we would be going to every Big 12 school every year.
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Huh? All road games in the Big XII will be significantly
Dec 5, 2012, 10:16 AM
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longer than road games in the ACC.
Like I've said, there are currently 8 ACC venues within a 5 hour drive of me. If Clemson goes to the Big XII, there will be 1 (Clemson).
I've had this argument already over the summer, not having it again.
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good luck.***
Dec 5, 2012, 10:18 AM
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If the Big 12 expands....
Dec 5, 2012, 10:28 AM
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they are going to expand to at least 14 if not 16 teams. In so doing, they'll set-up more regionally-centric divisions so a to minimize the travel requirements for all schools.
Frankly, I rather fly to games against Texas, Baylor, Kansas State, TCU, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State than drive to places like Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, UVa, or Maryland.
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shakes head. so the current big12ish is not a lot different
Dec 5, 2012, 11:04 AM
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so you create a hypothetical to explain it away?
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Not much different than traveling to.... [1]
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Boston (955 miles), Syracuse (820 miles), Miami (732 miles), Pittsburgh (542 miles), Louisville (413 miles), or Tallahassee (406 miles).
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When it comes to conference expansion.....
Dec 5, 2012, 11:41 AM
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isn't it all hypothetical since no one really knows what is going to happen?
As I have said time and time again; I am not a big fan of Clemson joining the Big 12.
However, I am a big fan of Clemson getting out of the ACC.
While the The Big 12 is not an ideal alternative, it does seem to be the best option depending upon how many teams are involved and how the expansion is structured.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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you made a statement saying 'it's not much different
Dec 5, 2012, 11:50 AM
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than current of...'
the heck it isn't. find me a current schedule that would include your examples biggie.
it doesn't exist.
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I said....
Dec 5, 2012, 12:05 PM
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in terms of distance, trips to places like Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, OSU, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech and WVU are not much different than trips to places like Boston, Miami, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Lousiville and Tallahassee.
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i would rather travel to key west in november, but that's
Dec 5, 2012, 12:17 PM
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not on the schedule either.
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Again...it's all hypothetical at this point.
Dec 5, 2012, 12:36 PM
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and unless something drastic occurs, over the next few years, Clemson will be making periodic trips to places like Miami, Boston, Syracuse, South Bend, Pittsburgh, Tallahassee, and Louisville,
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yep, your conclusion was a complete hypothetical.
Dec 5, 2012, 12:42 PM
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That said, if a move to the Big 12 is made, ideally you'd like to have a southern block of schools join us (FSU, VT, GT, and NC State as an example) which would minimize the travel to a certain extent.
trying to explain away 'periodic' trips on a current or future schedule to suggest it's not that much different.
or were we talking vacation travel time in the 9 months of the year there isn't football?
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I though football trips were vacation travel.***
Dec 5, 2012, 3:45 PM
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it can be, not sure i'd take 3 days off to go to wake, but
Dec 5, 2012, 3:53 PM
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to each his own.
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Team travel cost...
Dec 5, 2012, 10:48 AM
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I wonder what the difference would be--ACC vs Big 12??
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Exorbitant....
Dec 5, 2012, 11:49 AM
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Not just football travel.... it's every sport.
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Every team would be flying. Travel costs would skyrocket.***
Dec 5, 2012, 4:14 PM
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The alternative is to be irrelevant in college football, soo***
Dec 5, 2012, 3:53 PM
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Re: The alternative is to be irrelevant in college football, soo***
Dec 5, 2012, 4:05 PM
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IMHO that is what our admin(especially barker) and BOT want!
if not why have we not made positive steps to get out of the dying ACC????
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Re: Clemson to Syracuse = 852 miles***
Dec 5, 2012, 3:56 PM
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