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CU Medallion [58969]
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Clemson under Leggett
Jun 2, 2013, 4:51 PM
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2003-2012 (using USA/ESPN Coaches poll):
Average final rank: 17th
Average final finish among ACC teams: 3rd
Coots average final rank: 11th
Narrow it down to the previous 5 years, 2008-2012:
Average final rank: 17th
Average final finish among ACC teams: 4th
Coots average finish: 10th
This year will not improve any of that; again multiple ACC teams will finish ranked higher, and the coots will finish higher.
I like Jack Leggett; he's a first class individual and has had a good run at Clemson. It is clear and indisputable, however, that if you are satisfied with finishing 3rd or 4th in the ACC and behind the coots most of the time, the he is your guy. If you want better, there is absolutely no reason to think Jack is the guy.
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Re: Clemson under Leggett
Jun 2, 2013, 4:53 PM
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1 championship in that time frame also.
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CU Medallion [58969]
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Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 4:54 PM
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 4:55 PM
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One in 18 actually.
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 4:59 PM
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And 5 trips to Omaha in those same years
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:01 PM
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yep we do great until talent equalizes. Jack is not an elite coach plain and simple.
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:02 PM
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We do better in Omaha than we ever did with Bill though.
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:03 PM
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ah yes I forgot Brad would rather insult Bill who built Clemson baseball than to say anything bad about Jack.
The Jack Leggett fan club is getting sadder and sadder.
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:09 PM
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Pointing out a fact is not an insult. Our record in Omaha is not good and under .500. If you levy a criticism on one coach and say that out program has fallen - then the only coach who we can compare him to has to be able to survive the same criticism.
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:10 PM
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We were kigns of the ACC under Bill. Now we are consistently middle of the pack that is a fact.
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:13 PM
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It is a fact. ACC is also larger and now includes 2 national powers that Bill never had to deal with - Maimi and FSU. ACC now compared to the 80s is night and day different and much harder.
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:15 PM
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Ah so we brought in two good teams that is your excuse for 1 in 18? Pathetic how you Jack lovers accept mediocrity.
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:18 PM
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That is the one problem. 1 in 18 is not good. 5 trips to Omaha in 18 years isn't mediocre though.
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:21 PM
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Dude you fail to read what I am posting. Why do we not ever win in those trips? Why do we not ever win the ACC? When we run into teams that have equal talent we lose more times than not. most of the time due to crappy fundamentals. Look at our record vs the top 25 the past 5 years.
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Re: Yep - one in 10 years.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:29 PM
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I get what you are saying, and I am pointing out that when you say we are mediocre, when we still have elements of sustained success - it is ridiculous.
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In all fairness, the ACC is better now than it was then.
Jun 2, 2013, 5:13 PM
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But again, whether or not Leggett is the right man for the job going forward has nothing to do with coach Wilhelm.
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Re: In all fairness, the ACC is better now than it was then.
Jun 2, 2013, 5:15 PM
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I dont give a dman who we brought in 1 in 18 is just bad.
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I loved coach Wilhelm too, but at this point, I don't care
Jun 2, 2013, 5:11 PM
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what he did or didn't do.
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Again, very good, but still finishing behind multiple ACC
Jun 2, 2013, 5:09 PM
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teams and the coots.
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Re: Again, very good, but still finishing behind multiple ACC
Jun 2, 2013, 5:16 PM
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I agree. My stance has always been that it is proven that Jack takes us to Omaha every 4 years. Until that changes, I do not see the need to change.
Finishing polls and regular season records are important. However, we have a tournament for a reason. Success in that is more important. I know these last 3 years are hard, but we ahve had a ton of success with Leggett in the NCAAs.
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Re: Then expect to enjoy days like today.***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:22 PM
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Re: Clemson under Leggett
Jun 2, 2013, 4:55 PM
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I agree. He has had a good run but it does seem like its time for a change of some sort. I feel like we will always be pretty good and competitive while he is here. I am not convinced he will ever win a championship though. How do you fire a coach that gets you to the post season pretty much every year? It's a tough decision any way you slice it.
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Tom Osborne didn't win his first national title until...
Jun 2, 2013, 4:58 PM
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his 21st season at Nebraska, he ended up winning 3.
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Do you normally use outliers to justify your opinions?***
Jun 2, 2013, 5:00 PM
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Orange Blooded [2564]
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CU Medallion [58969]
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Re: Clemson under Leggett
Jun 2, 2013, 5:10 PM
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You don't fire a coach that has been with you for
20 years and has a bunch of win's,but you can ask
that coach to resign,just like they did Bobby Bowden
at FSU.The coach at Liberty,learned how too beat
Clemson,while he was at cooterville.
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Re:Baseball fans have accepted mediocrity. At the rate, we
Jun 2, 2013, 4:58 PM
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are going., I would like to know that we can be expected to be the 4th best
program in the conference.
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All-American [598]
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Correct me if I m wrong
Jun 2, 2013, 5:08 PM
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But CU is in the top 2 for most CWS appearances without a Championship
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Re: Correct me if I m wrong- Correct
Jun 2, 2013, 5:16 PM
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FSU has 21 and we have 12 but it is a little misleading. Okla St won some years ago but havent in 16 times.
I also noticed Texas has been 34 times and has won 6
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All-American [598]
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We are 0-5 vs usuc in CWS.
Jun 2, 2013, 5:11 PM
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Have we ever beaten them in CWS?
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The life expectancy of all things eventually runs it course
Jun 2, 2013, 5:44 PM
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Jack Leggett's career at Clemson is no different.
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