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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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Jul 2, 2023, 6:58 AM
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For another opinion on these specific allegations, click on Josh Pate's link just below the one you posted.
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You have a point, to a point.
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Jul 2, 2023, 7:43 AM
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Yes, so far we have incidents. And we have different explanations of those incidents. And, no one posting on message boards or putting out youtube videos knows the correct explanation.
I'm willing to sit back, at this point, and say, "Time will tell." If Kirby is running a program where character and off field behavior don't matter, then time will soon run out on him. If he is demanding discipline and accountability and taking appropriate steps to stop, or at least greatly slow down, the number of incidents then he might have a very long successful tenure at UGA.
My mantra has been and will continue to be, "I will not hold a coach responsible for the actions of a player. But, I will hold him accountable for how he responds to those actions."
If I were a UGA fan I would be greatly concerned about what appears to be a program with an excessive amount of illegal and dangerous activities. There may be a resonable explanation. But, I would sure as heck be concerned.
If I were AD, I'd be calling in Kirby and saying, "What the heck is going on and what are you doing about it? No spin. I want the truth."
If I were the president I'd be asking the same question to the AD.
If I were the Board of Trustees I'd be asking the same question to the president.
They may be. There may be all sorts of internal investigations going on. But, if I were a fan, I'd be concerned there may not be.
It's one thing for fans to say, "I don't care what is going on, just keep winning national championships. That's all I care about."
It's another thing for coaches and ADs and presidents etc. to have that mindset.
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Re: You have a point, to a point.
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Jul 2, 2023, 8:04 AM
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Appreciate the sensible reponse to this.
I cannot imagine all levels of UGA leadership are not aware of these issues and the narrative they create. I'm equally as certain they have addressed this amongst themselves and with the team. As for the traffic stuff going on, it may be that Kirby is going to have to make an example and cut someone loose. If people dying didn't get the point across I don't know that cutting someone from the team will but it may be all he can do.
As for these two specific allegations of abuse against women, Adam Anderson was accused and kicked off the team. He was indicated and awaiting trail. If he's guilty, he should go to prison. He'll get his day in court. Other than kicking him off the team I don't know what people expect Kirby to do. The Jarratt situation is different. All I know about this was everyone else knows, what they've read or heard. Apparently the charges were dropped. As for his underage drinking on a recruiting trip, does anyone believe that sort of thing doesn't go on everywhere?
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You’ve asked this question more than once, but also
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Jul 2, 2023, 4:54 PM
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scoff at anyone here that ever accused your trashy program of wrong doing “but can’t cite specific examples.”
Once again, talking out of both sides of your mouth.
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Re: You’ve asked this question more than once, but also
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Jul 2, 2023, 5:06 PM
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As usual I don't know what you're talking about or even what is wrong with you.
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Oculus Spirit [77577]
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We both know that’s a lie,
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Jul 2, 2023, 5:21 PM
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but keep it up. Someone is bound to be as delusional as you and actually agree with your BS.
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Re: We both know that’s a lie,
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Jul 3, 2023, 10:46 AM
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No lie there. Believe me, a host of people here read your responses and wonder what's wrong with you.
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Oculus Spirit [77577]
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Link?
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Jul 7, 2023, 9:18 PM
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Uh-oh, that's twice in a day someone has called you out for fake news. Close to your record, little fella.
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Re: You have a point, to a point.
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Jul 2, 2023, 8:19 AM
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I could agree if the players mentioned ever missed a game.
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Jul 2, 2023, 9:49 AM
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I get complaining internally to university leaders for fear of eventually getting in trouble if these kinds of bad behaviors continue, however, & I mean this in full sincerity, if it doesn't matter, is it not just much ado about nothing?
Nobody likes these issues, of course, & the loss of life, while singular, is still sincerely tragic, but if the players & team don't get in trouble both internally or externally & the run of winning continues, is it really worth the coach, president, BOT, AD, et. al getting furious about together?
Remember, NCAA enforcement was all but completely lost during the COVID year, but I haven't seen any enforcement since regardless & I'm sincerely not sure what I'd expect them to do here.
Again, in all sincerity, Coach Smart may eventually have to let a player go from the team, but that's about as severe as I can see it being for the program at-large at this point. We had problems with many of our brightest stars here at Clemson early in Coach Swinney's tenure, & while Coach Swinney did dish out some suspensions early to some elite-level guys like Sammy, I don't think even a suspension or two will affect Georgia this year, nor do I think any NCAA involvement is likely at all outright.
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Please.
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Jul 2, 2023, 4:51 PM
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Comparing these two programs and their leadership accountability is ridiculous at best.
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Re: You have a point, to a point.
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Jul 2, 2023, 10:25 AM
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Most schools and fans only care about championships...
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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Jul 2, 2023, 4:46 PM
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UGA football has a fixer or liaison between the football team and Athens PD. The buck stops with Kirby.
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why are you on TigerNet deflecting (defending)
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Jul 4, 2023, 7:16 AM
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this stuff man . who cares about opinions . the facts are it's just deplorable
16yo drinking
sexual assault - literally forcing someone
absolutely wreckless driving
you just can't take the trailer park out of a Georgia Bulldog can you ?
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
Jul 6, 2023, 4:52 PM
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Being a fan is the pits sometimes. Invest your heart and money into a program, and somebody with completely opposite values, and a pressure to win at any cost, is given the key. A winning program, even 10 and 2 seasons will get you fired. A few shady things become necessary. Some of my preacher friends were so proud of their bulldogs, now they are stone silent.
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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Jul 2, 2023, 7:16 AM
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National media needs to address this issue.
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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Jul 2, 2023, 8:26 AM
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If there is “sweeping it under the rug” behaviors going on by the university and it’s systemic over several years, then really how is that any different than what was exposed at Baylor and PennSt? Again, these are emerging allegations, but so far not exactly shining a positive light on the program thus far.
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Ask Any Penn Stater
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Jul 2, 2023, 10:52 AM
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They did nothing wrong and will deflect any concerns to a conspiracy. And yes, they will send their kids to camp there…amazing.
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Re: Ask Any Penn Stater
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Jul 3, 2023, 11:59 AM
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Cry me a river!!
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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That's coming. Most likely more national articles, lawsuits, etc. Kirby and the UGA power structure knew that they had a potential problem but figured by hiring a Bulldog of a "get out of jail" coach and with "cozy" relationships with Athens police and courts that they could manage the chaos which they did well - until somebody got killed, then it got real. Kirby knows what he has done to win and he knows he has to keep winning at all costs else the curtain comes down. Always works this way.
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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Jul 2, 2023, 9:44 AM
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Everyone keeps saying Kirby cannot be responsible for the actions of 18-23 year old men. But the NCAA used to charge schools with “lack of institutional controls”. This was one of the major charges that was dropped on Coach Danny Ford and eventually brought him down.
The head coach has a greater responsibility than winning football games. He is responsible for guiding young men into productive adults. The head coach has a very large staff of people to help guide these young men. He must organize his team into groups that are responsible to each other and staff members.
If there were 20 traffic violations over 8 years, if there were one or two domestic issues and if no one had died from racing in an institution vehicle no one would raise an eyebrow.
I have two questions 1 where is the GBI and 2 where is the NCAA. If only to clear the University of charges and make it look above board these two institutions should be launching full scale investigations.
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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Jul 2, 2023, 11:05 AM
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Do you really expect the GBI should launch full investigation into traffic violations?
You can find the graphic details of the allegation against Jarrett and see why charges were dropped. I'm not in a positon to say the guy is guilty or not, I'm just pointing out the charges were dropped.
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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Jul 2, 2023, 5:03 PM
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I do not care about UGA one way or the other, however it is kinda disingenuous of some folks as to how worked up they get about Kirby . If he was tanking the UGA football program and not getting recruits Clemson used to get, I doubt there would be multiple post about UGA needing to get rid of the guy. There wasn’t a loud cry about Mark Richt and discipline issues once Clemson started whipping UGA on the field and in recruiting, yet Richt had multiple issues with players legal issues
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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Jul 2, 2023, 5:12 PM
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Most of this outrage is about Kirby winning championships. As for Mark Richt, unless I'm mistaken he was 3-1 against Clemson.
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It’s cute seeing you two trolls pander to each other***
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Re: It’s cute seeing you two trolls pander to each other***
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Ryan_Kantor® , I'll reserve my judgment from your post history and pic here, but I noticed your TD'd this post. No worries, but I see you didn't have the sac to say why. Likely won't respond judging by your post history and pic (oops), but not all guys that look like a complete Dootch are. Not holding my breath.
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It's not that
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Jul 2, 2023, 5:53 PM
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It's not about winning championships, to be fair. It's just not that. Other programs had similar things happen without title contention, for example.
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Lol. Either your memory is terrible or you’re
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willfully ignoring the countless articles, threads and comments about thug-U, UGA over the last two decades posted here. As much as I liked Mark as a person and a coach, I don’t recall anyone withholding their feelings on the antics that happened under his watch. I can’t relate to the people actually concerned about Kirby, his job or his recruiting success. It’s an institutional problem there and always has been. The only thing new is they are winning. Whats truly disingenuous is you’re placating a troll as if it makes anyone but yourself sound foolish.
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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Whether the evidence or court decides innocence or not, something is amiss. To answer your question, Kirby has to hold the players accountable and the UGA AD, the University President and BOT have to ultimately hold Kirby accountable when the events are proven.
If the UGA officials turn a blind eye, that's on UGA and has nothing to do with how the Clemson football program is run.
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Where there’s smoke, there is fire.
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Jul 2, 2023, 4:58 PM
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Any idiot can see that unless you’re a win at all cost kinda human like you hear none of their fans disagreeing with.
All they can talk about is their three-peat.
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Re: Where there’s smoke, there is fire.
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I can only imagine your outrage if Kirby wins his 3rd in a row. It's going to be epic here.
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If scurvy buys another.
Jul 8, 2023, 12:20 AM
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FIFY.
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
Jul 3, 2023, 8:15 AM
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I am shocked. I do not like rumors and I will admit that I have never liked the Dawgs, but if UGa is turning a deaf ear to the reports of the Atlanta Constitution, there needs to be an investigation.
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
Jul 6, 2023, 12:59 PM
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It's as simple as this. Although kendrick is one of many examples, the UGA fan base, coaching staff and admin welcomed him with open arms when they knew of his thuggish behavior. Do you really think he changed his ways overnight? Clear answer is no. We tried corrective measures, exhausted of all patience, our coaches were left no options other than an outright release. Kendrick then took his gun brandishing butt down here where he won a 2nd natty. Nuff said.
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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There will never be another team on probation. NCAA is going to be bought by Foreigners. ‘ Merica is broke
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
Jul 7, 2023, 10:19 PM
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I’m sure the Georgia PD has nothing better to do than interview Georgia football players after hours on the side of the road. Probably half of them are season ticket holders…autographs anyone?
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Re: DAWGS and Kirby - Who is Accountable????
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How many of these young men went to court in front of a jury and were found guilty of rape or sexual misconduct? Exactly. Not one. I am not a Georgia fan, but there needs to be a higher standard of proof other than (She said he did it) before we start ruining young men's lives and potential football careers. I know this might sound foreign to some people, but women don't always tell the truth people. In fact, they lie quite a bit, and they would have no problem in ruining a man's life and career simply because she got mad at him. If any of these men go to court and are found guilty of rape, then fine, off the team they go, but until then, you are innocent until proven guilty. This is America, remember?
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