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Legend [17039]
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Hey baseball haters
Apr 11, 2013, 10:16 PM
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Florida had a man picked off (one of two for the game) in the bottom of the eighth to prevent any possibility of an insurance run. South Carolina ended/lost the game on a base running error and was picked off stealing to squelch a rally in the 8th.
So before you start yammering about Clemson's poor coaching and base running decisions how about actually take a minute and watch a college baseball game.
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But we're Clemson, we're better than that
Apr 11, 2013, 10:23 PM
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Every game should be a 10-0 win or else Jack needs to go.
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All-In [26332]
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Exactly.....11-0 every game, then I'd reconsider
Apr 11, 2013, 10:48 PM
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Re: Exactly.....11-0 every game, then I'd reconsider
Apr 12, 2013, 12:56 AM
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12/0 every game, or he should go.
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All-In [29052]
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I'll take 9-0
Apr 12, 2013, 1:14 AM
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As long as we score 1 run every inning. 8-0 for a home game.
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Re: Hey baseball haters
Apr 11, 2013, 10:26 PM
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if the coot hadn't slipped, they would have tied the game
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Re: Hey baseball haters
Apr 11, 2013, 10:29 PM
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If frogs had wings---
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Doubt it...
Apr 11, 2013, 10:32 PM
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the ball was waiting for the runner at the plate. It was a great throw from right field and I think he would have been out either way.
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Re: Doubt it...
Apr 12, 2013, 12:35 PM
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I agree 100%
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Re: Hey baseball haters
Apr 12, 2013, 1:08 AM
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If they, the coots, if they hadn't been heating their bats last year. We could have most likely won a game or two from them. But most importantly, if a bull frog was to have wing, he wouldn't bump his A$$ every time he moved
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Heating your bats isn't against the rules
Apr 12, 2013, 9:53 AM
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so if it gives you an advantage it's stupid NOT to do it.
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Re: Heating your bats isn't against the rules
Apr 12, 2013, 10:45 AM
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From the NCAA rule book
PENALTY for a. and b.—A bat that has been flattened or altered to improve performance is an illegal bat. If such an illegal bat is detected before the first pitch, it shall be removed from the game and the batter will be required to use a bat that conforms to the rule. If detected after the first pitch, legal or illegal, the batter shall be declared out, and base runners shall not advance as a result of a batted ball. The bat shall be removed from the contest.
Bat warmer's have not been specifically banned. Warming a bat widens the sweet spot and increases the distance the ball travels. Both are regulated by very exact specifications to the manufacturers by the NCAA. Therefore changing those properties most certainly is illegal as described above. It would just be very difficult for an umpire to make any conclusive determination about.
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Re: Heating your bats isn't against the rules
Apr 12, 2013, 11:20 AM
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The NCAA could never rule that heating a bat is altering the bat, as the bats can be naturally heated in the summer by leaving them in the sun. Calling warming a bat during cold weather games "altering" it would be pretty much the same as calling long-sleeved undershirts for the players "performance enhancers."
After an extensive google search, I haven't been able to find a single incident of a batter being called out for having a heated bat. And this warmer http://batwarmer.com/endorse.htm claims to be approved by essentially every youth baseball league in the country.
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110%er [6937]
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Re:You know how it is. You have to have an excuse when
Apr 12, 2013, 6:02 PM
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your rival is whipping you again.
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Legend [17039]
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Re:You know how it is. You have to have an excuse when
Apr 12, 2013, 6:22 PM
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I see you ran away from the other discussion since you ran out of bs to spew so you went on to your next straw man argument. I never used bat warming as an excuse I simply dispute his assertion that it is legal. The new bats are only a few years old. The fact that no ones been called out doesn't mean affirmatively that it is in fact legal. The product he linked to says specifically keeps bats at "manufacturers recommended temperature". That is different than heating the bat beyond those ranges and changing the approved properties of the bat. The NCAA passed stringent bat composition rules for a reason and altering the bats past those limits is absolutely against the rules as quoted above. The inability/unwillingness for officials to do anything about it if/when it happens does not make it legal.
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Re:You had better check again. You did not answer my
Apr 12, 2013, 6:26 PM
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question.
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Legend [17039]
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110%er [6228]
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You are one ignorant mf'er***
Apr 12, 2013, 2:53 AM
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Legend [17039]
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Re: You are one ignorant mf'er***
Apr 12, 2013, 6:30 AM
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Says the student stumbling in the door after last call. I'll forgive the discourtesy since I was young and stupid once too.
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110%er [6937]
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Legend [17039]
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Re: An internet know it all. If you don't believe it: just
Apr 12, 2013, 2:27 PM
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You certainly are the voice of humility and reason around here.
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110%er [6937]
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Re You are little smarter than I gave you credit for. I am
Apr 12, 2013, 3:27 PM
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glad you recognized that.
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Who are you talking to and what's your point?***
Apr 12, 2013, 9:14 AM
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Legend [17039]
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Re: Who are you talking to and what's your point?***
Apr 12, 2013, 9:30 AM
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Billiam, Palmetto, Peanut and a host of others that post after every Clemson game, win or lose, and play Captain Hindsight pretending that every in-game decision that Coach Leggett makes is a mistake and that Clemson is somehow uniquely plagued with base running mistakes compared to our competition. Had any of the things that happened in the last two innings of last nights SCar/UF game happened to Clemson this place would have been full of posts about how terrible we are, "this is why we can't beat elite teams," and other assorted nonsense. I thought it was worth pointing out to people who think O'Sullivan is the potential savior of this program and who are so butt hurt about South Carolina's ascendancy that these two problems happen to those schools too - not just to Coach Leggett as they constantly insist.
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Re: Hey Dummy, we don't give a crap about Florida.***
Apr 12, 2013, 9:52 AM
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Legend [17039]
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Re: Hey Dummy, we don't give a crap about Florida.***
Apr 12, 2013, 10:26 AM
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No you just like to pretend to be a Clemson fan while you mock our own players - http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=13799557
I'm surprised you didn't use your herpa derp facilities don't matter, Doug Kingsmore is a top 15 facility, UVA plays in a sand lot so why can't we beat them argument again. You are one of the most vocal anti-Leggett voices on this board and you frequently join the chorus criticizing fundamentals and in-game decisions. You have joined threads talking about Leggett being complacent and supported the idea that this program has declined since losing O'Sullivan. So, you may not care about Florida, but the topic is certainly relevant to the intellectually vacant garbage you and your cohorts spew.
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Re; The program has absolutely declined in the last few
Apr 12, 2013, 3:32 PM
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years. Only an ignoramus would refute that.
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Re: Re; The program has absolutely declined in the last few
Apr 12, 2013, 3:52 PM
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Only an ignoramus would argue that a team currently in the Top 20 who was in Omaha in 2010 is clearly in decline. Just because teams who used to be beneath us have moved up doesn't mean we've declined. We have been a perpetual 10-20th type team which is exactly what we still are.
A far more honest debate would be centered on why have teams that used to be beneath us (UNC, Virginia, and South Carolina) been able to move from outside the Top 20 to permanent fixtures in top 10. Why weren't we able to seize that spot at the top? But to seriously address that issue requires evaluating the entirety of the program and what those competing programs have invested in theirs. That's a discussion that you and others have proven unwilling to have. You expect Jack to win consistently despite being disadvantaged against those teams. you refuse to acknowledge the role their investments have made. Clemson is hardly the only school they have leapfrogged. The most common trait amongst the programs that have been successful and won championships is the amount they spend on baseball (yes even Oregon State and Fresno State). Those programs recognized that to be successful you have to have top coach and top facilities. Clemson is trying to fly by with half the equation. South Carolina hadn't been to Omaha since 2004 when they approved the construction of Carolina Stadium. By your strategy they'd have demanded Tanner go win a championship before they would build it for him. Do you truly believe their success and their new stadium is purely coincidence?
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Re: A far more rational idea would be to question why WC
Apr 12, 2013, 4:12 PM
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has won two of the last three. Why we lose to Winthrop , Coastal and Wm & Mary. Plus, we have lost 3 to Wake. Please explain as I know they have drop a mind into their facilities.
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Legend [17039]
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Re: A far more rational idea would be to question why WC
Apr 12, 2013, 4:33 PM
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Because good teams still lose midweek games. I've dug up the numbers before and Leggett's overall win percentage is almost identical to Wilhelm's. Leggett has a slightly lower ACC win percentage. So, in the big picture Clemson wins their non-conference schedule at a slightly better percentage than we used to. Is every team supposed to fire their coach when they lose a midweek game because you cling to that awfully tightly. Francis Marion, a D2 school, and Furman have beat SCar in the last two years. In fact, I believe Furman has beaten them the last two times they played. How do you reconcile that if those games are so important as a benchmark. As for a specific reason it's easy to lose those games is those teams frequently throw their best pitcher in while Clemson is frequently playing their 4th or 5th best pitcher. And we still win the vast majority of these games.
As for Wake Forest - we're 23-10 since 2002. What would be acceptable for you? Should they simply never win against Clemson. if we replace Leggett exactly how many times can the new coach lose to Wake Forest before they get the same treatment? You can cherry pick incidents to try and prove a point but it fails in the big picture.
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Re: A far more rational idea would be to question why WC
Apr 12, 2013, 8:03 PM
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I did not ask if F. Marion had beat SC. I only asked why we are losing to these schools. You have implied that it was because of facilities that we have lost to UVA and SC. Has the facilities at Winthrop, Coastal, Western and Wake factored into their ability to beat us?
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Re: A far more rational idea would be to question why WC
Apr 12, 2013, 8:31 PM
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I answered you in detail. You're just being an ### at this point. The Francis Marion example just demonstrates that even the best teams lose those type of games. I provided facts that demonstrate we are not losing those games with any more frequency than ever before and reasons why good teams, not just Clemson, lose those games. Wake, Winthrop, Western do not beat us with frequency when viewed over any sugnificant time span. I don't even know why you mention Coastal since we haven't played them this year, are 4-1 against them the previous two years, and eliminated them from the post season the last two years. None of the teams you mentioned are better than Clemson so a relative discussion of facilities is moot. UNC and UVA are, at least for the past 5 years or so, better baseball programs, and it just so happens they've invested substantially more leading up to that. Ignore that since it is more pleasurable to bash our players and coaches for you. Now feel free to reply with some random non-sequitur and dodge the conversation again.
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Re: Re Cherry picking? No one cherry picks like you and
Apr 12, 2013, 9:45 PM
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There you go again. Too intellectually challenging to stay on point? Just call names and change the topic. Must be crushing your soul to watch us win again, if you are even bothering. Why don't you find a thread to cry about Dabo losing to South Carolina in? It is also funny that you call me out as a "know it all" when you post more frequently in a year than I have in six. Do you really think you've had 14,000 thoughts worth sharing?
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Re: A far more rational idea would be to question why WC
Apr 12, 2013, 4:13 PM
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has won two of the last three. Why we lose to Winthrop , Coastal and Wm & Mary. Plus, we have lost 3 to Wake. Please explain as I know they have drop a mind into their facilities.
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Re: mint***
Apr 12, 2013, 4:13 PM
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Sooooo it's excusable because usuc does it also???***
Apr 12, 2013, 9:32 AM
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Re: Sooooo it's excusable because usuc does it also???***
Apr 12, 2013, 10:35 AM
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It's only excusable in the sense that it is a part of the game. The reality is that most people on this board did not give two ##### about college baseball, Clemson or otherwise, until SCar won a title. Now a certain vocal minority try to overrun a board acting like they know something about a sport that they clearly haven't watched much. If you think college baseball is going to be error free then you really haven't been watching much. The game has improved radically in the last 20 years or so I've been watching but is still at best on par with high-a baseball. Also, outside of season ticket holders most people haven't actually seen that much college baseball. The availability of college baseball on TV and the Internet is extremely new. Until a couple years ago you only got some post season baseball on TV. I've been going to games every year since 1991 but have probably watched more Clemson baseball on TV/Internet in the last three years than I was able to see in the previous 20 years combined.
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It's excusable because people make mistakes...
Apr 12, 2013, 11:01 AM
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it happens in every level of baseball even to elite players. Hall-of-Famers commit errors and make other mistakes. Deal with it.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Re: It's excusable because people make mistakes...
Apr 12, 2013, 12:21 PM
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Except we lead the league in times caught stealing. At some point you have to see that something's not working well and do it less.
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yeah but the ACC power teams are perfect.***
Apr 12, 2013, 12:39 PM
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Orange Blooded [2481]
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Naaa... that wouldn't be any fun.
Apr 12, 2013, 2:28 PM
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all kidding aside...
Doesn't matter for me for folks to talk about it.(baseball)
Some don't like basketball or fb, sooo...each to his own.
ya gotta pick ya poison
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