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Green Dems are ph****** idiots…***
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When the opportunity was to transform the world from
Feb 27, 2022, 7:39 PM
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analog to digital, transportation from ground to air, space flight from prohibitive to private, goods delivery from big box to front door, a few guys did it, spending not a tax dime.
We then needed a vaccine for a new virus. A few guys did it. All govt proposed to do was buy it and distribute it: what resulted was the biggest cluster you-know-what in history.
So, here we are needing non fossil energy, and no one has yet articulated a way forward. The developments might yet come. I am sure there are some people who know what the roadblocks are. There are perhaps some things we can do to facilitate that ways past them. But what does Biden do? Make everything artificially expense and place us in a strategically weak place, assuming that this will somehow produce something even Elon Musk can't now point toward. It is idiocy.
NASA is a counter example. They spent trillions in today's dollars to scale up 1950's technology to do one thing no one needed. Then they embarked on another Trillion dollar project to produce another thing no one needed, killing a dozen people in the process before they gave up on it. Burt Rutan, speaking to an experimental aviation convention, said, "NASA was supposed to invent space flight, but they failed. So now ...". He stopped because some in the audience laughed. He said, "No, really. Everybody who has been to space raise your hands." Nobody. "See, what they did doesn't work." So, who is providing private rides to space now? And how did that come about? One man thought it was crazy that the US (NASA), after all those previous Trillions, could no longer put anything larger than a satellite into orbit. So he did it his way. While he made Teslas on the side.
Green is a great goal. I'm all for it. But the greens have lost their minds. I don't doubt there are some things govt can do to facilitate innovation. This ain't it.
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Triggered people dont think well. Take a deep breath.
Feb 27, 2022, 10:52 PM
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First, that wasnt my weird take on nasa, but Rutan's. And nasa did spend trillions on two manned projects, the end result being that we couldn't get more than a few hundred pounds into orbit, and no humans at all. Had to ride russian rockets to the space station. Govt run projects do have that historical result.
And I didnt say that govt funding couldnt facilitate innovation. I said the opposite.
I said, with examples, that all transformative innovation has come from private individuals, independently motivated, who saw the intersection of opportunity and capability. I said Biden's strategy of artificially producing incentive by inflating energy costs while decreasing our security cannot create what is not there. It will be hugely expensive with little return. You cant manipulate reality. He's pursuing an idiotic strategy. The goal is fine, and govt can help, but his far left admin is leading him in the wrong direction.
I appreciate your links, because I would have chosen them myself. The technology for the vaccine was already there. Figuring out the specific code was 'done by Friday', as it were. Production and distribution on a global scale 'right now' is what a private company couldnt do, so govt can help with that. But they screwed that up, trasnferring to the vaccine almost as much mistrust as people have in the politicians themselves.
I know I triggered your grasping reflex for anything far left. Slow down. The pipleline wasnt killing anybody, nor was our production. We need all the oil we and Canada can produce. Cutting it off is not going to bring any innovation one day sooner.
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lol, trust me, nothing you guys say triggers me.
Feb 28, 2022, 4:58 PM
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It's more exasperation at the illogic or circular logic I see displayed but even then it's actually more a chuckle than anything else.
Anywho:
1.) It is your take on NASA that then you use Rutan to support. I do find it funny that immediately after saying it's not your take you immediately give it again. And what a weird take it is when NASA is the reason we went to the Moon (no private business at the time could have afforded the risk or expenditure). So "Govt run projects do have that historical result" is factually incorrect, but you know that I think. Have you ever looked at all the technology that came from the space program? So to think all that was wasted effort is again, weird.
2.) The links I provided clearly show, to those unbiased and objective, that government-led funding and research had a MAJOR role in vaccine development to the point where they could not have been created without it.
3.) You said, "a few guys did it, spending not a tax dime." Which is factually incorrect. You said, We then needed a vaccine for a new virus. A few guys did it. All govt proposed to do was buy it and distribute it." That was factually incorrect.
4.) Read my links again about "the technology was already there"
5.) You said in regards to the Government being able to push forward with green energy/technology "I don't doubt there are some things govt can do to facilitate innovation. This ain't it." Which I provided one counterexample in the fact that electric cars booming now is in large part because of government subsidies given to buyers and innovators in order to "facilitate innovation." And it allowed guys like Musk to achieve what they achieved.
6.) What's this about a pipeline and what does it have to do with your point about Public/Private innovation? Also, your point about Biden's strategy of 'inflating energy costs while decreasing security' isn't supported by anything you said, can you link me to where he stated that strategy or what "security" means in that statement? Thanks.
My point isn't a far-left idea. The idea that public and private can work together and is an impressively strong force for innovation is not a far-left idea, or at least it hasn't historically been. And it certainly shouldn't come off as "triggered" except to the irrationally inclined which I don't think you are.
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Re: When the opportunity was to transform the world from
Feb 28, 2022, 6:47 PM
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Indeed, the greens and the dems, the progressives, etc. have displaced any potential they had to think logically with the religions of wokism or climatism. Their everyday life now centers around believing in chit that doesn't pass a basic sanity check.
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Re: When the opportunity was to transform the world from
Mar 1, 2022, 12:04 PM
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I really like your post and agree with your take in more than just a general way but haven't researched the subject, so I'm about to inject into this thread something everyone hear will consider absurd ideas from an absurd person but I believe it explains why NASA has never returned to the moon. I did not arrive at these conclusions by myself. I got them from arcane websites and YouTube channels. I'm not ashamed of that. I consider myself very open minded.
NASA went to the moon to look for evidence that our sun has gone nova in the past, no other reason. They found that it has, more than once. Hence the coming and going of so many different forms of flora and fauna throughout Earth"s history, and the near extinction of nearly all life on Earth multiple times, even over the last 120,000 years. There's no reason to go back to the moon. It's all about how we're going to survive the next nova now. That's the reason for all the underground bases and such. Search for the underground construction at the Denver airport for starters. Some believe the Sun will give notice by certain activity before the next nova. The hope is the government will announce this beforehand and direct us into underground safe havens we arrive at on our own or are shuttled to once the locations are given. This all seems so much more important than the Kabuki theater we are watching and talking about now.
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Psaki's statement is an example of why I can never vote for
Feb 27, 2022, 11:45 PM
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the left and Democrats in general. They make policy based on emotion and the way they wish things were rather than reality. FACT - the USA is nowhere close to having enough renewable energy sources to meet the demand currently being provided by fossil fuels. It's as if the Biden regime thinks that by cutting our fossil fuel production that it will force the US off of fossil fuels and bring about their "green" economy. Of course that is not the reality - for every drop of oil not drilled by US energy providers, the US is simply importing the energy we require and in the process support and rely on people that hate us (i.e. Russia and OPEC).
If the Biden regime was serious about hurting Russia AND helping the American people they would be doing everything in their power to "drill baby drill". Unfortunately they are not interested and seem to enjoy the fact that their policies are adding to geopolitical instability while draining working class American wallets.
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Re: Psaki's statement is an example of why I can never vote for
Feb 28, 2022, 5:59 PM
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You guys act like the plan is to flip a switch and everyone converts from gas powered cars to electric overnight. There will be a gradual transition, and the logistics and power demands will transition along with it.
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Re: Psaki's statement is an example of why I can never vote for
Feb 28, 2022, 6:51 PM
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It doesn't matter a lot. In the end-to-end life cycle of a gas engine and electric motor, if you really add it all up over a 20-year life and including recycling of all the components, electric cars do not solve the problem.
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Re: Psaki's statement is an example of why I can never vote for
Mar 1, 2022, 7:55 AM
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Explain.
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Re: Psaki's statement is an - - - myth of EV's unravelling
Mar 1, 2022, 8:14 AM
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The myth of EVs (Electric Vehicles) as an economically favorable alternative to gasoline / nat gas powered vehicles may be starting to unravel.
Replacement batter costs may be responsible in large measure for this.
Typical EV use 4 or 5 batteries per vehicle.
Replacement costs for each battery are in the ~ $5000 to ~$7000 range ... and this does not count the cost of those batteries as inflation escalates into high gear.
That's ~$20,000 to ~$30,000 per vehicle for a complete battery change.
Considering the capital outlay to purchase a 2022 model Tesla (~ $45,000 for a 'cheap' model) compared to cost for a 2022 Toyota Camry (~ $30,000 for a 'cheap' model), the math isn't looking good for EVs.
There is a good argument that, taking into account the cost of (ever-more-expensive) gasoline, then the cost of electricity for home-recharging of EVs will be both (1) less than cost of gasoline and (2) not as 'psychologically shocking' as that from regular costs of filling the tank.
I'll admit to not having done the math of (a) life of a typical EV battery per mile -vs- (b) cost of fuel in between major IC (internal combustion) engine service work. But the psychological shock of forking out $5K per battery will be tough for American consumers to handle.
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Re: Psaki's statement is an - - - myth of EV's unravelling
Mar 1, 2022, 8:57 AM
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Life expectancy of a Tesla battery is 300000-500000 miles.
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Re: Psaki's statement is an - - - myth of EV's unravelling
Mar 1, 2022, 9:40 AM
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Good point ... the Tesla Model 3 with the Long Range battery comes with a warranty of 8 years or 120,000 miles (with 70% retention of the battery's original capacity) ... which ever comes first.
Selling price rises (at bottom end / bare bones model) to ~ $50,000. Middle range model price ~$60,000
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Re: Psaki's statement is an - - - myth of EV's unravelling
Mar 1, 2022, 12:14 PM
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Unfortunately with the limited range of travel of gas powered vehicles vs. battery powered vehicles and the time spent on charging stations most people may never operate their vehicle over a distance of more than 120,000 miles in a lifetime.
Libs continue to let freedom ring.
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Re: Psaki's statement is an - - - myth of EV's unravelling
Mar 1, 2022, 1:02 PM
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I'm happy for all of you Uber drivers who can lay out $50,000 jack for your Tesla's.
Also, glad to see that Inside EVs site was able to enough work to find this kind of success story.
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Re: Psaki's statement is an - - - myth of EV's unravelling
Mar 1, 2022, 1:56 PM
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They are expensive up front, but cheaper to maintain. No oil changes, radiator flushes, transmission service or replacements, no belts, hoses, MAFs or the other sensors that trigger Check Engine light, spark plugs, gaskets, ignition coils, brakes last twice as long, fuel injectors, etc.
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Re: For all the clowns claiming that Biden can’t affect
Feb 28, 2022, 6:14 PM
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I don't think man that can barely read can affect much of anything.
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Re: For all the clowns claiming that Biden can’t affect
Mar 1, 2022, 7:49 AM
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1 Yes, I have.
2 Tapping into strategic oil reserves is an immediate short term move. Let’s do it.
3 Deploying renewable energy is a long-term move and more permanent. Let’s do it.
Utility companies are switching to renewable energy because the pricing is lower and fixed. For example, would you like to have a fixed rate mortgage at 3% or a variable rate mortgage at 4%? Your call.
Biden‘s impact of oil prices is small compared to the actions of OPEC and non OPEC members.
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Re: For all the clowns claiming that Biden can’t affect
Mar 1, 2022, 7:55 AM
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OPEC actions are a direct result of Biden’s policies. Once he was elected OPEC ceased fearing the US as an oil exporter and adjusted supply to create more profit for them. He took us out of the game.
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Re: For all the clowns claiming that Biden can’t affect
Mar 1, 2022, 7:58 AM
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Explain.
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Re: For all the clowns claiming that Biden can’t affect
Mar 1, 2022, 9:30 AM
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Birminghamtiger, don’t look for an explanation from Chief KeeweeIndian. His statements are 100% nonsense.
“OPEC actions are a direct result of Biden’s policies.”
Does the chief think Biden controls OPEC?
“adjusted supply to create more profit for them”
Does the chief realize that OPEC has been doing this since inception. They are a cartel. They don’t care about any POTUS. As a cartel, they manage supply and demand to control prices.
Chief Keowee should stay in his playpen.
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Re: For all the clowns claiming that Biden can’t affect
Mar 1, 2022, 7:53 AM
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Why not increase oil production until we figure out how to go completely green? Seems like coming sense in these times.
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I have no issue with renewable energy where appropriate.
Mar 1, 2022, 8:21 AM
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But it's not the end all answer and will not happen overnight.
Sirriusly, would you get on a solar powered 737?
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Re: I have no issue with renewable energy where appropriate.
Mar 1, 2022, 10:16 AM
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There is no such thing as a solar powered 737. Never will be. So your question is pointless.
But many of you will fly on planes powered by hydrogen and fuel cells. You just might need to wait 10 years or so.
Don’t get all worked up about anecdotal BS you hear from Fox News or AOC or the squad. Most of that is nonsense and has zero opportunity to be deployed at commercial scale.
If you want to see what WILL happen and IS happening with respect to renewable energy, look at the large investor-owned utilities. Look at everybody from SoCal Ed to Con Ed and everybody on the dirt in between.
This isn’t left, this isn’t right, this isn’t politics, this is business. Would you prefer a 3% fixed rate or 4% floating rate on your home mortgage? That is the decision being made by conservative GOP C suite executives at American utility companies saving millions / billions via renewable energy.
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Re: I have no issue with renewable energy where appropriate.
Mar 1, 2022, 10:16 AM
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There is no such thing as a solar powered 737. Never will be. So your question is pointless.
But many of you will fly on planes powered by hydrogen and fuel cells. You just might need to wait 10 years or so.
Don’t get all worked up about anecdotal BS you hear from Fox News or AOC or the squad. Most of that is nonsense and has zero opportunity to be deployed at commercial scale.
If you want to see what WILL happen and IS happening with respect to renewable energy, look at the large investor-owned utilities. Look at everybody from SoCal Ed to Con Ed and everybody on the dirt in between.
This isn’t left, this isn’t right, this isn’t politics, this is business. Would you prefer a 3% fixed rate or 4% floating rate on your home mortgage? That is the decision being made by conservative GOP C suite executives at American utility companies saving millions / billions via renewable energy.
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Heard your comments the 1st time.***
Mar 1, 2022, 3:15 PM
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Re: I have no issue with renewable energy where appropriate.
Mar 1, 2022, 9:52 PM
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Sensible folks deploying renewable energy know that it’s a piece of the puzzle and certainly not the sole solution and not the sole path to energy independence.
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Re: I have no issue with renewable energy where appropriate.
Mar 1, 2022, 9:59 PM
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BTW, AOC and the squad are not included in the group of sensible folks deploying renewable energy. Their ideas are wildly extreme. Don’t believe fox when they say the squad is gonna ban oil and cow farts. Ain’t gonna happen. Green new deal is just a far left batch of talking points. Zero possibility of being deployed.
However, lots of efficient cost effective solar, wind, batteries and fuel cells will be deployed at grid scale.
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