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Oculus Spirit [91100]
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Hey Judge Keller, UConn has now won 4 MBB Natties
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which ranks them tied for 6th place with Kansas Jayhawks.
1. Do you know IF they have a bigger arena than Clemson?
2. Do you know IF they spend more $ than us?
3. Do you now how many years it took their HC to win last night? Bet KY, UNC, Duke & Indiana are in this group.
4. Do you know who the top 5 most Natty-winning teams are?
Oh, will your lovely ole mercantile store be open on the Tigers Spring Game Saturday and will there be a sale on ALL-IN Orange stuff?
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Re: Hey Judge Keller, UConn has now won 4 MBB Natties
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Apr 4, 2023, 10:31 AM
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I think they have won five natties and not four.
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Re: Hey Judge Keller, UConn has now won 4 MBB Natties
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Apr 4, 2023, 12:00 PM
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Get your basic point but having your initial statement factually wrong undermines your point. Uconn has 5 NCAAB championships; the same # as Duke and Indiana. UCLA with 11, Kentucky with 8 and N Carolina with 6 are the leaders.9 other teams have 2 or more!
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They have 5 Natties in Men's Basketball***
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Re: Hey Judge Keller, UConn has now won 4 MBB Natties
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Apr 4, 2023, 10:38 AM
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They now have 5 nattys. The coach was hired from Rhode Island in 2018. They've been on a steady incline ever since. The argument will be he can recruit metro players...not.
He won last night partly due to having 3 transfers. One, not well known player from San Diego (not San Diego St).2 was a transfer from East Carolina, and another from va tech. He did recruit a couple top 50 players from img academy.
He's a hurley. Coaching matters. Any of that other stuff is just noise. UConn had been mediocre at best. That's why they hired a new coach. Zero to do is with money and shinny toys.
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How Many
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Apr 4, 2023, 10:48 AM
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Football natties again?
Give Judge the list of NCAA hoops AND football champs…
I think the collective IQ of this group continues to dwindle as the BB hatred builds to insanity.
So now, Mr. Genius is ready to give up our football success for a sport that 83% on here don’t even understand.
Of course 81% don’t understand football either.
Thanks for addressing this and displaying enviable ignorance. I’m not sure who envies it, but keep it on full display.
Great Job!
P.S. firing BB will NOT give us 3 natties in hoops retroactively in spite of your stupidity.
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Re: How Many
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Apr 4, 2023, 11:18 AM
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Cry me a river!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: How Many
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Apr 4, 2023, 11:53 AM
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You sure do whine and cry a lot.
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Re: How Many
Apr 4, 2023, 1:13 PM
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More BB stuff on the football board. However, why are we talking Natties and MBB in relation to Clemson? An NIT win would be a a far stretch and an improvement. Spring game just ahead .. MBB is thankfully over … Hurry football !!!
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Re: How Many
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Would you like to start over? This post makes zero sense other than to express, like Judge Keller, you hate most Clemson fans and don’t want Clemson to do anything proactive to be successful.
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Re: Hey Judge Keller, UConn has now won 4 MBB Natties
Apr 4, 2023, 8:52 PM
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From the site where they got the data--
"Please note that the MBB expense number includes $13,373,551 which is attributed to a legal settlement in FY22."
So that puts them down to about $10.6M, still more than us, but nothing crazy. We were just above $8M
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UConn plays its home games in two different arenas...
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Apr 4, 2023, 10:55 AM
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The Harry A. Gampel Pavilion which has a seating capacity of 10,167 and the XL Center (formerly the Hartford Civic Center) in Hartford which has a seating capacity of 15,600 for basketball.
With respect to spending, UConn spends approximately $24 million annually compared to Clemson with spending in the $7 million range.
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Re: UConn plays its home games in two different arenas...
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Apr 4, 2023, 12:10 PM
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This is where the difference in accounting measures come in. They pay their coach roughly $3 million. What do you actually think UConn, on an annual basis, is spending on basketball that Clemson isn’t? It’s not the coach. Have you noticed that not one penny of Clemson’s last facility renovation appears in the numbers used by these reports? Would you like to bet that UConn’s are? These reports are not standardized in any way. What does Clemson need that it doesn’t have is a question that no one can give a concrete answer when I pose it. Lack of support/funding is just a boogeyman perpetuated by those beholden to Brownell’s. Apparently our AD and our current coach think that the needs of the athlete are so thoroughly satiated at Clemson that the next capital investment should be in administrative facilities.
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CU Medallion [64621]
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A big part of that $24 million...
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Apr 4, 2023, 12:32 PM
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includes an $11 million severance payment to former coach Kevin Ollie. Even without that payment, they still spend $7.2 million which is very close to what Clemson currently spends. The rest is for Coach Hurley and his staff. SDSU, on the other hand, spends less than half that much annually.
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UConn is a basketball school and has the tradition and support to prove it.
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Apr 4, 2023, 11:27 AM
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Clemson isn’t and doesn’t.
Coaching matters and they seem to have a great one.
But you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think the other stuff matters a whole lot too, especially when we aren’t just talking about one good season but consistent high level success.
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Re: UConn is a basketball school and has the tradition and support to prove it.
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Apr 4, 2023, 11:39 AM
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Yes. That Rhode Island coach making almost as much as Brownell is only part of it. The ghost of UConn teams past help guide the ball into the basket often times. No other schools can ever be good than those who have always been good. #firebrad.
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Exactly!***
Apr 4, 2023, 12:56 PM
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Re: UConn is a basketball school and has the tradition and support to prove it.
Apr 4, 2023, 8:14 PM
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Basketball, like many collegiate and professional sports, certainly has been dominated by very FEW teams, historically. Of the 353 teams who participated in the NCAA Division 1 title chase this year, a grand total of only 15 of those teams have won 2 or more National Titles (61 out of 84 times/72.6%) ) since the NCAA Tournament began in 1939. Furthermore, these 15 teams account for only about 4.2% of all eligible teams as of 2023. Additionally, just SEVEN teams (1.98%) account for 44 (52.3%) of those 84 NCAA Titles. Based on those numbers, Clemson has a very unlikely chance, historically, of EVER winning a basketball title, regardless of the coach. That isn’t to say that it is impossible because that wouldn’t be true. I’m only suggesting that the likelihood of Clemson ever cutting down nets is remote at best, and that stinks. But, I’ll get right back on that banana boat come November and hope that 2024-2024 will finally be THE year.
P.S. As I’m sure you know, of the six original members (out of eight) who remain in the ACC, only one has failed to ever win the conference title: Clemson. “Regular Season Champions” is a made up term because the ACC Tournament officially determines the men and women’s ACC basketball Champion. Why do you think that has been the case? Is it exclusively due to coaching? It could be, but I highly doubt it. I mean in 1954, what would the the statistical probability have been that Clemson would 0 for 69 opportunities (Covid Year of 2020 doesn’t count) after 70 years? I would think even the most ardent of coach haters or coach defenders would have to admit that the historical evidence suggests that Clemson’s problems in men’s basketball is MUCH bigger than the head coach. If it is coaching, like so many suggest, Clemson must have the WORST coaching selectors in basketball history.
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Re: UConn is a basketball school and has the tradition and support to prove it.
Apr 4, 2023, 9:02 PM
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I’m not going to pick apart the whole thing but you’re neglecting the tremendous growth in the NCAA and the change in format of the tournament. You point out the 4.2% of teams have won 72.6% of the tourneys but with the current roster, even if a different team won every year, only 24% of teams would have ever won. In the 34 years since expansion, 19 different teams have won. So the concentration of winning has shifted dramatically from the previous 50 years. And all of that neglects the growth in teams making the Elite 8, Final Four, or just playing for the championship. This constant rationalizing of why it’s okay to support a coach incapable of success in the post season is ridiculous and not grounded in reality.
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So you believe we can remain just a football school and continue to spend less
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Apr 4, 2023, 3:35 PM
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than many other high major programs, and still be great at basketball?
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Re: So you believe we can remain just a football school and continue to spend less
Apr 4, 2023, 3:54 PM
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We are also becoming a softball school. Maybe we should spend less money on basketball and more on softball, because John Rittman knows how to get the job done.
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The spending at Clemson and UConn is substantially similar..
Apr 4, 2023, 4:36 PM
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The $24 million they are reflecting this past year is largely related to a large buyout payment.
SDSU and FAU spend less than half of what Clemson spends.
It ain't about the money. It's mostly about the coaching or the lack thereof.
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Then why are we spending so much on football?
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Apr 4, 2023, 5:03 PM
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If it doesn’t matter, we are just wasting our money, right?
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I didn't say the money didn't matter...
Apr 4, 2023, 5:51 PM
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I said when it comes to basketball, it's not about the money (i.e., money isn't the root of the problem). It has FAR MORE to do with the coaching or the lack thereof. After thirteen years of inconsistency and mediocrity, that much is abundantly clear.
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So money matters in football, but not basketball?***
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Apr 4, 2023, 7:07 PM
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Those are your words, not mine.
Apr 5, 2023, 7:30 AM
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Coaching is the problem in men's basketball. It's not a lack of resources.
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Stop with the money ########
Apr 5, 2023, 11:27 AM
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Football received funds AFTER they began winning. I guess we could buy players with NIL, that will help. But then we would still be standing around the 3 point line waiting to see who's going to take a shot.
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Re: I didn't say the money didn't matter...
Apr 4, 2023, 9:05 PM
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Notice he didn’t actually answer - just a rhetorical fallacy to avoid that he has no actual point.
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I do
Apr 5, 2023, 11:11 AM
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I've only been a Clemson fan since 1991
IN that time Clemson FOOTBALL.. a FOOTBALL school took a dive.. big time. It took a coach to get it going in the right direction, to build excitement, to get the money flowing and the facilities built... .. then it took another coach to bring it to the level it is today.
There was excitement with Barnes.. and Purnell.. it was trending up... Money was spent.. millions were put into Clemson Basketball...
now the excitement over Clemson basketball has flat lined. not trending up or down...
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Someone else is pulling his strings on the CBB issue
Apr 4, 2023, 4:37 PM
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He's not making the final call. He's effectively doing what he's told by his boss.
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Re: Someone else is pulling his strings on the CBB issue
Apr 4, 2023, 5:20 PM
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That's why I also wrote letters to Clements and the BOT. I doubt I get a response from either.
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They don't care what we think...
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Apr 4, 2023, 5:53 PM
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as long as the money keeps coming in !!!
If you really want to effectuate change, you have to hit them where it hurts the most; in the pocketbook. As long as people are buying tickets to the CBB **** show, nothing is going to change.
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Re: They don't care what we think...
Apr 4, 2023, 8:55 PM
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Which I am not going to do. If nothing else, they know there are some very disgruntled fans out there. If attendance drops, that will get their attention. It's like when the newspaper owned the Chicago Cubs. Wrigley was sold out for every game. The newspaper had zero incentive to spend money to improve the team.
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I will not be buying season basketball tickets next year...
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Apr 5, 2023, 7:31 AM
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which will be a first for me on over 30 years.
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Re: Hey Judge Keller, UConn has now won 4 MBB Natties
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Apr 4, 2023, 12:13 PM
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UConn's basketball rise is directly related to Clemson. If Tate George doesn't hit that shot against us in the 1990 sweet 16!
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Except our wins in that tournament were invalidated by NCAA
Apr 5, 2023, 10:45 AM
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due to the Wayne Buckingham transcript issue.
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Re: Hey Judge Keller, UConn has now won 4 MBB Natties
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5 natties after this one.
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OK, Ok, ok..I was off 1 freaking Natty! 5 instead of 4.
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Apr 4, 2023, 2:18 PM
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Whatever, just wishing CLEM MBB could just win an ACC Conference Championship OR win 3 straight games in the NCAA Playoffs!!
Or...win a NIT which Coots men have TWICE!!
Oops, bet I'm short 1 on that total too~
LOL!
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Re: OK, Ok, ok..I was off 1 freaking Natty! 5 instead of 4.
Apr 4, 2023, 3:30 PM
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if i recall correctly,jim calhoun wasn't exactly running the cleanest of programs.
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