Re: How does it feel to know everything they said about Ukraine

How does it feel to know everything they said about Ukraine

It was the US that blew up the pipeline. It was not some Ukrainians

To your credit, you did the work to research some of the ‘skim’ conjecture; I haven’t specifically done so.

My conjecture about Zelenskyy’s skimming comes from the reports of his acquisition of various extremely expensive ‘toys’; my conjecture about Biden’s skimming had begun with his VP era ‘if you (Ukraine) doesn’t fire the prosecutor of Hunter, then Ukraine isn’t getting the ~ $1B in aid’ … followed by the prosecutor getting fired. The FBI’s Clousou-esque investigations of the Hunter Biden laptop supports (but doesn’t prove) my strong suspicion that the FBI is covering up for Biden family’s corrupt dealings with the Ukraine. The fact that the other Biden admin’s people or political supporters avoid the legitimate suspicions about skimming indicates to me that they, too, are in on the action.

Discrediting both Seymour Hersch (somewhat understandable) and the Hindustan Times (why?) as reason to ignore the skimming allegations seems extreme.

I do understand why you don’t want too much public to erode as far as supporting the war, but disagree with you in that growing skepticism (about our expanding expectations as far as the ‘good’ outcome from the war) is a bad thing.

Our own leaked intelligence says

Re: How does it feel to know everything they said about Ukraine

RememberTheDanny

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Apr 15, 2023, 7:26 PM

Skimming is the world’s second oldest profession.

Only propagandists will assert that Zelenskyy is not skimming. (It’s understandable that supporters of Ukraine’s side don’t want to get into this; it also isn’t a lie if the help Ukraine hawks don’t proactively say that Zelenskyy isn’t skimming. Does that seem clear?)

The sorry state of affairs as far as Americans quietly condoning skimming isn’t anything new. Not long ago, I had finished reading Rick Atkinson’s final volume in his WW2 trilogy “Guns at Last Light.”

He reported that at one point before the American forces finally breached the Seigfried Line that ~25% of American supplies had been skimmed off and sold on the black markets of France, Belgium, and Holland. This skimming was done by American servicemen; some of our struggles preceding to and during the Battle of the Bulge were attributed to shortages of supplies.

(*). I’ve got growing concerns that American politicians, bureaucrats,and industrialists are keeping the war going at a steady bleed rate so that their profiteering gravy train can continue.

(*). I’m also concerned that American politicians are bragging too much about whooping the Russians. There is no useful military or diplomatic benefit from this verbal chest beating.

(*). If our politicians would be less braggadocio about our role in the UKR / RUS war, then I could stomach the skimming more easily. I’m afraid, however, that we are talking ourselves into believing that our verbal BS (and corresponding enrichment of big shots via the quiet skimming) will be effective in either overthrowing Putin &/or getting Russia to relinquish Crimea.

(***). We’re letting our big talk + sense of entitlement for skimmed wealth delude us into understating what Russia might do if they really feel threatened too much. Biden’s diplomatic record has been very poor. His handlers aren’t giving him good enough advice.

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