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CU Medallion [58497]
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Herschel Freaking Walker - a U.S. Senator? You have GOT to
Oct 27, 2022, 8:03 PM
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be kidding me! The fact that he is a serious candidate should be a huge red flag to us all, regardless of political preferences, that something is bad, BAD wrong. At any time previously, say 10, 20, 30, or 40 years ago, this would have been understood by everyone as pure comedy routine material due to the fact that it was so outrageous. Everybody, pub, dem, or libertarian, would have understood it as farcical. And what's even worse, he may actually be the best candidate, but I digress. Then we have Fetterman, who with sufficient recovery and rehab may be capable of the job some day, but clearly he is not fit to serve at this point in time. His candidacy is a slap in the faces of voters.
We could go on and on about Trump and Biden and whoever you don't like about how unfit they are, which while understandable, would be entirely pointless and is not my aim here, as these two guys above are indisputibly unfit, regardless of political affiliations or leanings, and llustrate very clearly how low the bar can go, and how we are all being played. I don't know exactly what to do about it, how to prevent it in the future, GOOD LORD! STOP IT!
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Ranked. Choice. Voting.***
Oct 27, 2022, 8:12 PM
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RCV. SWOON.***
Oct 27, 2022, 9:19 PM
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Re: RCV. SWOON.***
Oct 27, 2022, 9:31 PM
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I don't think Biden or Trump would have gotten their respective nominations with RCV primaries. I also think honest to god campaign finance reform and banning congress from buying stocks would give us better candidates.
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Re: Ranked. Choice. Voting.***
Oct 28, 2022, 10:24 AM
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It would empty the clown car out after one cycle. One. That's all it would take.
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Both sides have bad candidates and whacked out extreme political positions….
Oct 27, 2022, 8:13 PM
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Offering only bombastic rhetoric about how bad the other side is or outdated fringe solutions. There’s no attempt to even understand the technical depth of any issue.
Bourbon is good and our Tigers are doing fine on the gridiron.
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Re: Both sides have bad candidates and whacked out extreme political positions….
Oct 27, 2022, 8:32 PM
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I mean, the last Presidential race was between a narcissist and a potato. I think these are the only types of people that want to be in politics now.
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Herschel Walker
Oct 27, 2022, 9:04 PM
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What part of his platform do you not like?
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Him not being able to speak coherent English***
Oct 27, 2022, 9:07 PM
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It has nothing to do with his platform. It's the fact that
Oct 27, 2022, 9:17 PM
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he's a mental midget with multiple personality disorder. Not so sure about his integrity either. How anybody can feel good about somebody like that holding the office of U.S. Senator and assuming the duties and resposibilities that office requires, just because of his "platform" is freaking insane.
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I'd love to seem him articulate his platform beyond the
Oct 27, 2022, 9:20 PM
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slogans.
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Re: I'd love to seem him articulate his platform beyond the
Oct 27, 2022, 9:27 PM
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I seem him do it
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Re: I'd love to seem him articulate his platform beyond the
Oct 27, 2022, 11:10 PM
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Aa articulate as Herschel.
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I'd love to see him point out Russia, China, North Korea
Oct 27, 2022, 9:27 PM
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and Iran on an unlabeled map. If he could do that, I might vote for him, but I guarantee you he could not do it. Senators should be able to do that. THAT'S the problem with Herschel as senator.
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Re: I'd love to see him point out Russia, China, North Korea
Oct 27, 2022, 9:29 PM
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VPs too.
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Maybe so - or VP.***
Oct 27, 2022, 9:28 PM
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That’s what people like Keowee (and a growing scary number of Americans)
Oct 27, 2022, 9:48 PM
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can’t understand. Before your positions on issues mattter, there’s a minimum mental capacity and character threshold that you need to meet before you should be a viable candidate. But people like him don’t care what that person is like at their core, if they are mentally stable, what their values are, if they generally are not an awful person, as long as they support the party line. As long as their team wins, they don’t care.
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What you can’t understand
Oct 27, 2022, 10:13 PM
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is that I support the constitution. “The People” get to choose their representatives no matter how bad you want them to be Mensa members. It has nothing to do with how ###### I think someone is, it’s what the constitution allows.
Another example. I’m not pro-life, but overturning RvW was the right call, because of what the mother fkn constitution says.
Get it?
Immma sooo ScARy!!!!!!!
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Letterman [257]
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Where did I say you couldn’t vote for an awful candidate?***
Oct 28, 2022, 12:07 PM
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Re: He can't tell you why...
Oct 28, 2022, 9:23 AM
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JFC. Pot calling kettle black.
The ignorance on the left is prolific and ubiquitous and has been a long time.
There's no choice as a conservative of who to back. ANYONE with a D next to their name has to be opposed because any D will support the party line, especially any junior member or senator. THE LEFT IS RUINING THE COUNTRY. I sincerely believe that. I don't necessarily support and love every R I will vote for, but I have no choice but to oppose the Ds.
The cancel culture, wussification, wokeness, identity politics, victimization, dumbing down public K-12 education, virtue signaling, racism, CRT, division, need to transform America, hating the USA, big gubment is the solution, everything is a human right, global warming, climate change, climate crisis, elitism, etc...
^^ This is why I hate the left as a group. Including all the TNet libs that engage in the leftist group think.
But to quote Trumpp, there are good people on both sides. Individually most of us would get along fine.
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I don't support the Dems either, ya dolt.
Oct 28, 2022, 10:17 AM
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Fetterman is worthy of his criticism but you nitwits have swallowed the Oz BS hook, line, and sinker.
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110%er [7231]
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Kinda undermines the platform
Oct 27, 2022, 9:45 PM
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when he clearly doesn't believe in it himself.
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Re: Kinda undermines the platform
Oct 27, 2022, 10:15 PM
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Based on what? A birthday card?
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He's obviously ok with smasmorshians and violence
Oct 27, 2022, 10:42 PM
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towards women.
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I'm just so sad that Imus and crew aren't around to
Oct 27, 2022, 9:08 PM
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comment on it.
RIP Don Imus and Bernard McGuirk.
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quack quack***
Oct 27, 2022, 11:15 PM
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How should we define fitness for office?
Oct 27, 2022, 9:28 PM
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I’m not being argumentative, I’m asking honestly.
Certain health metrics? A specific age range? Should they take a test and be required to achieve a passing score?
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Re: How should we define fitness for office?
Oct 27, 2022, 9:37 PM
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Yes.
1. < 16% body fat, 20% for females (real females)
2. Age 40-65
3. 80% or better on the citizenship test. You know the one legal immigrants take
4. Must read the constitution. The original one, not Cliff notes or Howard university rewrite
5. 3 term limit for house, 2 for senate
6. Must live in the district they represent 100% of the time. Only the executive branch resides in DC.
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Re: How should we define fitness for office?
Oct 28, 2022, 9:25 AM
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Have a natural p3nis or v@gina, haha.
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I'm not proposing that we should define it, but certain
Oct 27, 2022, 9:44 PM
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things should be automatic disqualifiers, like multiple personality disorder, lack of proper education, poor grasp of the common laguage, poor understanding of world history and events, etc., certain levels of brain damage or mental incompetence, etc.
My problem is not so much with Walker (or Fetterman) as it is with people who actually are enthusiastic about their candidacies while not realizing (or cynically denying) their absurd unfitness for the job.
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Re: I'm not proposing that we should define it, but certain
Oct 27, 2022, 9:50 PM
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So you are saying that Lincoln should have never been elected?
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No, and please tell me you are not comparing Herschel Walker
Oct 27, 2022, 10:05 PM
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and applying basic standards for senators in 2022, to Abraham Lincoln in 1861.
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Re: No, and please tell me you are not comparing Herschel Walker
Oct 27, 2022, 10:08 PM
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You’re right. Herschel had way more formal education. Not fair.
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Come on, Keowee.
Oct 27, 2022, 10:30 PM
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You and I see eye to eye on almost everything. Don't do this.
Lincoln was a brilliant man whose lack of formal education was not a hindrence in 1861, and he was more than capable of facing the challenges before him, as history has proven beyond question. He was very knowledgeable as he educated himself more than sufficiently. He was a great orator, with excellent command of the laguage.
I don't believe any of that is true of Herschel Walker - he has certainly never demonstrated it, if so. His formal education is highly suspect, and does not equal Lincoln's informal one, for sure. Any comparison to Lincoln is a joke. If he produces a document that rivals the Emancipation Proclomation or the Gettysburg Address, I may change my mind.
I do not consider myself a Republican, even though I have voted straight pub since 1980, including twice for Trump. I vote pub because they are always the best of two realistic choices. I'm not advocating for Warnock, not at all. This isn't about political sides at all, for me - this is about sanity, integrity, and common sense.
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Re: Come on, Keowee.
Oct 28, 2022, 6:59 AM
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lol, you are right, this game is super boring. Anyway, I think “I vote pub because they are always the best of two realistic choices.” sums up most conservatives these days.
Seems now the Dems are only putting up someone that is “controllable” and pubs are only putting up someone that is “popular”. I think much of that has to do with fact that the avg person has the attention span of a gnat.
I will say that Herschel does own/run successful businesses and zero of the abortion claims have been proven. But that is not what the MSM is reporting (shocker). None of that has anything to do with him sounding like he has brain damage, but it has to mean something.
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Re: How should we define fitness for office?
Oct 27, 2022, 9:47 PM
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It'll never happen, but they should have to take the multiple choice section of the FSOT.
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I agree, it's essential that we determine fitness for office
Oct 28, 2022, 10:37 AM
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but my concern is that it's too subjective.
Most people are extremely biased when they say that someone isn't fit for office. It's typically a member of the party they don't like, using evidence that is partly true but partly exaggerated.
We saw Democrats repeatedly say that Trump wasn't fit for office. We saw Republicans repeatedly say that Biden wasn't fit for office. Rather than being based on emotional conclusions, as it typically is, it should ideally be based on something we can actually measure.
Currently, all that's needed to run for office - even high level office - is popularity and/or the ability to fundraise on a large scale. Political parties seem less concerned about the quality of their candidates, and more concerned about beating the other guy. That's not how it's supposed to be.
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So you'd vote Warnock?***
Oct 27, 2022, 9:31 PM
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Nope. Read my post.
Oct 27, 2022, 9:35 PM
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I said that Herschel may actually be the best candidate. THAT is even more indicative of how absurdly bad this situation is.
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That due to platform differences with Warnock?***
Oct 27, 2022, 11:32 PM
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Yep***
Oct 27, 2022, 11:54 PM
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Both parties know that's the case with their bases...
Oct 28, 2022, 12:06 AM
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which is why they're okay running the lowest bar type candidates like Walker. They know at the end of the day, it's more about the platform than the candidates. No one expects Walker to be anything but a "yes" vote for whatever the Republican Party leadership proposes in Congress and that's all that matters.
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Absolutely, and I don't think that's right, and I think it's
Oct 28, 2022, 12:24 AM
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a cynical way to do things, but I realize that's reality. It's the disgusting side of politics.
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He11yes. I would gladly vote for someone who treats the
Oct 27, 2022, 11:36 PM
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office and his constituents with the respect they deserve. Tommy Tuberville is my senator…know what he does? What Trumps goons tell him to do. He also hosts fundraisers at his Santa Rosa beach house….in Floriduh. I bet he ain’t set foot in the state of Alabama in more than a year.
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You don’t get Herschel without DJT
Oct 27, 2022, 10:49 PM
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He has created a new standard for the GOP.
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Re: Herschel Freaking Walker - no less capable than Biden
Oct 28, 2022, 12:24 AM
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Herschel is no less mentally capable than Joe Biden.
And I'm talking about the 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden (who was sharp compared to the 2020 version).
The election of Joe Biden set the standard for any politician to be elected who espouses a certain philosophy ... even if that person doesn't understand anything about said philosophy.
Biden's handlers tell him EVERYTHING as far as policy. There's nothing cognitive between his 2 ears.
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However, the mindless Joe Biden still possesses the sociopathic (or by Q's definition, psychopathic) quality of lying and feeling no shame or remorse for his lying.
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And NOW the American public has become aware that Fetterman and Walker are poor candidates because they are not perceived as being intelligent?
What about the evil liars (Raphael Warnock, Pocohontas Warren ... 2 other psychopaths) who misrepresent themselves to their constituents and cash in big on being in office? Does anyone really prefer a gov't run by psychopaths to one being led by mentally mediocre people?
I'll choose the slow witted over the lying psychopaths any day all day.
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Re: Herschel Freaking Walker - no less capable than Biden
Oct 28, 2022, 5:51 AM
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I agree. Walker might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but Warnock is just a really bad human being.
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Okay, I can understand that logic...
Oct 28, 2022, 7:53 AM
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Then why do y'all rally around Dr. Oz over Fetterman? Same situation. Fetterman isn't the sharpest knife and has problems, but Oz is a horrible person.
You fall too much on your partisanship.
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The fact that those are the only choices you have for such
Oct 28, 2022, 7:23 AM
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an important position is the problem.
Sure, there are plenty of incompetent politicians, and while I'm not about to set about defending Joe Biden, at least he has had a long career in politics in which he has demonstrated a certain level of intelligence and competence, even if he no longer does (I agree 100% with that) and is now just a bumbling puppet. And I'm not talking about using policy differences or philosophical differences which I may disagree with or think absurd as evidence of incompetence; I'm talking about significant, literal functional, demonstrable, glaring deficiencies like we see in Walker and Fetterman. As much as I disagree with Biden and his handlers, never has it been this big of a cartoonish joke in terms of obvious incompetence.
Sorry, but this isn't about one side vs. the other; Stop trying to frame it that way. This is a new low, a horrible joke on us all. Except it's not a joke.
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Re: Herschel Freaking Walker - no less capable than Biden
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However, the mindless Joe Biden still possesses the sociopathic (or by Q's definition, psychopathic) quality of lying and feeling no shame or remorse for his lying.
Yes, he does, but for this same characteristic, you gave Trump a free pass and defend him. He has been proven an even more prolific liar than Biden and clearly has no remorse.
RTD, the first step to fixing this is putting aside partisanship and recognizing both sides are putting forth flawed, unfit candidates instead of circling the wagons for the "lesser evil" and thus making excuses for them.
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This whole "I like him because he's not a politician..."
Oct 28, 2022, 6:24 AM
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Is dangerous ground, and I've always thought so. Usually, my observation is a candidate described that way doesn't know how to properly perform the job of a government representative. For some reason we've glorified that. It's like hiring a football coach because he doesn't know football. How silly is that?
We don't need non-politicians in office. We need good politicians in office.
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Let's put aside Walker vs. Warnock for a moment.
Oct 28, 2022, 6:31 AM
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This is an honest question, as I haven't followed it. I understand people voting for him against Warnock. But how did Walker win the Republican primary? That's the problem, and a major one. This should not have happened.
(I suspect it's akin to how President Trump won the Republican primary in 2016.)
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Re: Let's put aside Walker vs. Warnock for a moment.
Oct 28, 2022, 7:34 AM
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Because his Conservative Christian values far exceeded his Republican opponents in the primary. That is what is needed in the bible belt, as Christian conservatives have proven time and time again that they refuse to compromise their values when it comes to selecting their representatives. They always walk the walk, not just talk the talk. ?
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I can't recall in my lifetime...
Oct 28, 2022, 7:49 AM
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This many people unfit and unqualified for public office who are running on both party tickets. Maybe Trump started this trend that any idiot could be elected, or maybe the good people just throw up their hands and say what's the point.
Do we really think Walker is going to make positive, significant change in Congress? Or Oz, who is about as self-absorbed of a fraud and con man as they come? But then his alternative, as you mention, probably can't even function at 100 percent if elected (along with his suspect policies).
We've become so polarized as a nation and left to believe we can only have R or D, that we've got swaths of people vehemently defending absolute #### candidates because, well, at least he's got the letter they prefer by his name.
I hope some good change is coming because it doesn't look optimistic. We're electing imbeciles, narcissists, con men, and nursing home patients left and right.
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Re: I can't recall in my lifetime...
Oct 28, 2022, 8:00 AM
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It's not the letter by the name that counts, it's fealty to DADDY. Ask LCheney. The GOP is currently a cult. It will be interesting to see the dynamics of the GOP once DADDY is gone. I for one hope it reverts back to being a rational, healthy and respectable counter to the Dems.
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Let's be honest
Oct 28, 2022, 10:42 AM
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both parties are mostly cults. Both the Republican and Democrat parties have a significant number of followers who blindly go along with whatever the leading politicians in their party tell them to believe. They defend their candidates to the death and vilify the opposing candidates without ceasing.
The Republican party is screwed up, but surely you can acknowledge that the Democrat party is too.
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Re: Let's be honest
Oct 28, 2022, 11:25 AM
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A cult is a group or movement held together by a shared commitment to a charismatic leader or ideology. It has a belief system that has the answers to all of life's questions and offers a special solution to be gained only by following the leader's rules.
We know this fits MAGA and the current GOP perfectly. Who would be the Democrats cult leader?
14 characteristics of a cult leader.
1. Narcissistic
2. Charismatic
3. Dominant
4. Demands Obedience
5. Claim supernatural powers
6. Arrogant and boastful
7. Sociopathic/psychopathic
8. Delusional
9. Persuasive
10. Authorative/controlling
11. Exploitive
12. Underdog
13. Intolerant of criticism
14. Visionary.
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He's up 5% in the latest real clear politics poll
Oct 28, 2022, 9:28 AM
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Let's Go Walker my dawg.
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I think he's a good dude, knows success.***
Oct 28, 2022, 11:39 AM
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It's the result of years of horrifyingly partisan politics.
Oct 28, 2022, 11:40 AM
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Compromises are rarely reached. So with both parties walking in (almost) complete lock-step, there is no choice than to vote for a party and not an individual.
If both parties had more Machin's and Sinema's - we'd be much better off.
If you took Fetterman off the ballot in PA and The Dems just said "We'll pick someone after the election" - that Dem spot would still get 45% of the vote.
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