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Justin Ross incomplete pass out of bounds in 2nd Qtr
Oct 21, 2018, 9:32 AM
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Just curious, why is dragging a toe on the way OOB considered a completion but toe touching in bounds and then heel OOB considered incomplete?
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I am not sure why, but it is***
Oct 21, 2018, 9:33 AM
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Re: Justin Ross incomplete pass out of bounds in 2nd Qtr
Oct 21, 2018, 9:36 AM
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Would like to see rule that says that was not a completion.
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Re: Justin Ross incomplete pass out of bounds in 2nd Qtr
Oct 21, 2018, 9:47 AM
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From SB Nation on NCAA Rules for a Catch...met them all!
This is what constitutes a catch, according to the NCAA: To catch a ball means that a player:
Secures control of a live ball in flight before the ball touches the ground, and touches the ground in bounds with any part of his body, and then maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e., long enough to pitch or hand the ball, advance it, avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.
That’s not all. The receiver has to satisfy these three paragraphs, too: First:
If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent) he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or in the end zone. This is also required for a player attempting to make a catch at the sideline and going to the ground out of bounds. If he loses control of the ball which then touches the ground before he regains control, it is not a catch. If he regains control in bounds prior to the ball touching the ground it is a catch.
Second:
If the player loses control of the ball while simultaneously touching the ground with any part of his body [except his feet, of course], or if there is doubt that the acts were simultaneous, it is not a catch. If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball, even if it touches the ground, will not be considered loss of possession.
Third:
If the ball touches the ground after the player secures control and continues to maintain control, and the elements above are satisfied, it is a catch.
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Re: Justin Ross incomplete pass out of bounds in 2nd Qtr
Oct 21, 2018, 9:37 AM
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I think it could have been overruled either way. Announcers didn’t give a good explanation and was hoping they’d bring in a rules experts and explain why.
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Re: Justin Ross incomplete pass out of bounds in 2nd Qtr
Oct 21, 2018, 9:42 AM
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Same here. They will bring him in to explain a QB slide but not why a toe clearly coming down IB is not a completion.
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Re: Justin Ross incomplete pass out of bounds in 2nd Qtr
Oct 21, 2018, 9:44 AM
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Don't have a rule book with me, but this is what I recall. (But it's probably not from the rule book anyway.)
I recall that, for a receiver to be in bound after a catch, he has to make two-point contact with the ground inbound. And heel and toe are considered two-point contact, and so is dragging toe--toe making contact with the ground at one point then dragging to another point.
I don't have a video clip to show you, but I think if, say, both of Ross' two feet hit the ground inbound and then both heels hit the line (assuming no dragging motion), that would have been a catch.
I think you get the point.
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Re: Justin Ross incomplete pass out of bounds in 2nd Qtr
Oct 21, 2018, 9:49 AM
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Ahh. Your explanation is spot on but the rule sucks. Thanks
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Shocked it wasn't reviewed after replayed on the big screen.***
Oct 21, 2018, 9:50 AM
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Here's the rule
Oct 21, 2018, 9:54 AM
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This is from Article 6 - Completed Pass, in the 2018 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations.
XV. Eligible A80 is airborne near the sideline when he receives a legal forward pass. As he comes to the ground facing the field of play, his toe (a) clearly drags the ground inbounds before he falls out of bounds; (b) touches the ground inbounds and then his heel comes down on the sideline in a continuous motion. He maintains firm control of the ball in both cases. RULING: (a) Complete pass. (b) Incomplete pass. The continuous toeheel touching is part of a single process and by interpretation he has landed out of bounds, thus not executing a catch.
What we saw was example (b).
My brother and I argued that call the whole game. He thought it was a completion and I didn't. Although, truthfully, neither of us knew the exact wording on the rule.
Had Ross scraped his toe across the turf instead of landing firmly on one foot, it would have been a completion. Frustrating for sure... but I'm glad there's actually a rule that clearly states the difference between those 2 situations.
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Clear as it can be
Oct 21, 2018, 10:00 AM
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I thought it was a good call too. I remember that happening before.
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100% correct - the refs got it right.***
Oct 21, 2018, 10:06 AM
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It was clearly a catch that should have been reviewed...
Oct 21, 2018, 9:54 AM
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Just more incompetence from ACC officials.
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Should have been ruled complete
Oct 21, 2018, 9:54 AM
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Toe was down inbounds before heel touched out. Unless they say heel was down before control. Lots of made up rules going on here.
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no, as stated above
Oct 21, 2018, 3:50 PM
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The continuous toe-heel touching is part of a single process and by interpretation he has landed out of bounds, thus not executing a catch.
Meaning - the entire foot must come down in bounds.
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Re: Justin Ross incomplete pass out of bounds in 2nd Qtr
Oct 21, 2018, 3:16 PM
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I had the same question. But also in our fake field goal the holder stood to receive the snap but Purdue's holder did not. If his knee is on the ground when he receives the ball and chooses to run why is he not down? I imagine they would have to call them down every time whether they run or not. So our holder should have stayed down caught it then ran. But if any other player goes to a knee to grab a snap or a fumbled ball they are ruled down.
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Re: Justin Ross incomplete pass out of bounds in 2nd Qtr
Oct 21, 2018, 3:19 PM
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It’s Justyn, not Justin.
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Re: Justin Ross incomplete pass out of bounds in 2nd Qtr
Oct 21, 2018, 3:45 PM
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Apparently it was a rule change this year? They just like to give things to argue about.
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The officials made the wrong call.
Oct 21, 2018, 3:47 PM
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The other tawts in the booth didn't care. Welcome to the ACC.
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