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Morning Dose of the Echo Chamber
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Morning Dose of the Echo Chamber


Feb 21, 2023, 8:08 AM

From the NY Times to my inbox.

Lefties read this and nod in affirmation. I read this and ask W T F? This says the opioid crisis is due to
- health care system's resistance to providing addiction care
- insurance companies won't pay for treatment
- US's non-gubment controlled healthcare system

But not one mention of a parents responsibility to raise their kids with ethics and morals and to be on top of them like white on rice and an individual's responsibility 1) to not get hooked in the first place and 2) to want to fix your life. The 'easier' the lefist's system makes it for people to get on and stay on drugs, guess what? The more people you will get on drugs.

This is a nice compact example of how they think. The individual bears no responsibility for anything...


Good morning. The opioid crisis doesn’t need to be this bad. It’s another example of America’s surprising resistance to effective treatments.

Underused treatments

It is a public health crisis that kills hundreds of Americans a day. Effective treatments could bring down the death toll. But many doctors and patients are not using those treatments.
Regular newsletter readers might think I’m talking about Covid. But the description also applies to drug overdoses. They don’t get nearly as much attention, but they’re a similarly major public health problem, and they have neglected solutions.

More than 100,000 Americans die each year from overdoses, mostly from opioids, according to C.D.C. data released last week. That is higher than the toll from gun and car crash deaths combined. While medications like methadone and buprenorphine can sharply reduce deaths among opioid addiction patients, only about a quarter of people who could benefit from these treatments receive them.

Decades into the overdose crisis, tens of thousands of people whose lives might be saved are instead dying from opioids.

Extra barriers
America’s addiction epidemic did not have to unfold this way, and it highlights the health care system’s continued resistance to providing addiction care.

Treatment can be very expensive, and it’s often not covered by insurance. Addiction doctors have complained to me that they can spend hours of their workday on the phone with insurers asking them to pay for a medication, and sometimes insurers say no anyway. Patients have shared similar experiences.
The federal government has sometimes exacerbated the problem. Until last year, doctors had to go through special training and obtain a waiver to be able to prescribe buprenorphine, the medication for opioid addiction. At the same time, federal officials have failed to enforce laws requiring that insurers cover addiction treatment.

A comparison to France, which faced its own opioid crisis in the 1980s and ’90s, is instructive. In 1995, French officials deregulated buprenorphine so more doctors could prescribe it. Over four years, overdose deaths fell 79 percent.
It is a sharp contrast to the U.S. Rather than impose extra requirements for addiction care, French officials greatly relaxed rules during a crisis. And through the country’s government-run health care system, officials made sure that the treatment was widely available and paid for.

On top of America’s bureaucratic problems are more personal ones.
Some doctors hold stigmatizing views about addiction and the patients afflicted by it, and refuse to provide treatment. Many doctors say they lack the confidence to treat addiction because they don’t have enough training or access to specialists who can help guide them. Drug users can also resist treatment. Some think of medications for addiction as merely replacing one drug with another, though experts reject that framing because the medications replace drugs that do harm with drugs that can help.

All of these problems lead to the underuse of effective addiction treatments in the U.S., and so it is easier to get high than it is to get help.

The bigger picture

Some of the problems are specific to addiction. But others are broader. Obesity and mental health conditions are often undertreated, too. Flu seasons are consistently worse than they have to be because not enough people get their annual shots. While Americans’ overuse of health care frequently receives attention, underuse is a problem in many situations as well.
Why is this the case?

Often, people, including doctors, have outsize fears about the downsides of some treatments, especially new ones. With Covid, doctors worry about Paxlovid’s interactions with other drugs — a real problem but largely a manageable one. With opioid addiction, patients make the mistake of thinking of a prescribed medication, like buprenorphine, as just another drug, even though it can save their lives.

The American health care system’s fragmented nature also makes it easier for problems to fall through the cracks. In France, officials can leverage the country’s universal health care system to overcome hesitancy to new treatments by guaranteeing they’re widely available and by strongly pushing for their use. In the U.S. system, there is no centralized authority, so medical authorities struggle to coordinate care even when the best practices seem clear.

As a result, drug overdoses are both a major public health problem in their own right — they are one reason U.S. life expectancy fell in 2020 and 2021 — and representative of the system’s larger struggles. The U.S. spends far more per person on health care than any other country and also has lower life expectancy than Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia and much of Western Europe.


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Re: Morning Dose of the Echo Chamber


Feb 21, 2023, 8:39 AM



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Re: Morning Dose of the Echo Chamber


Feb 21, 2023, 8:51 AM

BirminghamBigGubmentTiger weighs in with another stellar analysis, full of insight and provocative commentary!

You go Birm! Ignorance is bliss baby!

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Feb 21, 2023, 11:23 AM [ in reply to Re: Morning Dose of the Echo Chamber ]



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Tell us you don't understand addiction without telling us


Feb 21, 2023, 8:58 AM

you don't understand addiction. When the best parents in the world still have children getting addicted to opioids, some even resulting in death...there just MIGHT be some other factors at play. Maybe.

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Re: Tell us you don't understand addiction without telling us

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Feb 21, 2023, 9:05 AM

Tell us you have no concept of individual responsibility without telling us you have no ufcking clue what it means because you want socialism (or worse) and you'd like nothing more than for the village to raise your kids so you can wear your birkenstocks down to starbucks and sip a latte.

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You're the definition of closed minded***

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Feb 21, 2023, 9:11 AM



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I like your funny words magic man


Hey, guy.

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Feb 21, 2023, 9:13 AM [ in reply to Re: Tell us you don't understand addiction without telling us ]

This is a message board, so very little here is ever going to register on my blood pressure, no matter how much dumb shit comes spilling out of your keyboard.

That said...there are several posters on this very board who have experienced the deepest kind of loss a parent can go through, so if you're looking for a rise out of me, try telling them that they didn't "instill enough personal responsibility" into those they loved. I probably won't help you up off the ground.

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Re: Hey, guy.

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Feb 21, 2023, 10:19 AM

Of course there are situations where the best parenting fails, but let's be honest, statistically speaking, if more parents were on their kids more, vetting their friends, looking at their phones, etc. fewer kids would take the wrong path or be exposed to the wrong path in the first place.

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Feb 21, 2023, 9:15 AM [ in reply to Re: Tell us you don't understand addiction without telling us ]

If you honestly believed in"individual responsibility", you would support efforts to force people to have health insurance rather than free load on the tax payers. Why are you such a hypocrite? I'll wait.

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Re: Tell us you don't understand addiction without telling us


Feb 21, 2023, 10:28 AM

Force people to 'have' insurance meaning to pay for insurance?

Does or did Obamacare check the box for this idea? I'm not an Obamacare expert, so not sure.

I get what you are saying in that having insurance is generally a good thing and would prevent ER visits that cost us (taxpayers) a fortune. It would also, in theory, help with preventative care which could reduce costs as well by avoiding or delaying conditions/diseases, etc. But there is also a tradeoff on big gubment overreach.

The government could force us all to drive EVs or force us all to only buy one of the top 3 safest vehicles. In the minds of the EV evangelists, this is a totally acceptable proposition. I guess the state of CA is headed that way in 2035.

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Did you stretch before making that leap?***


Feb 21, 2023, 10:31 AM



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I like your funny words magic man


What leap?


Feb 21, 2023, 10:41 AM

to the EVs?

Just an example of what might be considered government overreach...

Another one: no sodas in NYC or whatever feel-good rule someone came up with a while back. I do not disagree deleting soda from anyone's diet is a good thing, but the gubment can't tell you how to do everything and we should not want it to.

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Feb 21, 2023, 11:30 AM [ in reply to Re: Tell us you don't understand addiction without telling us ]

As expected, your feigned demands for "individual responsiblity" has been exposed. You're too predictable.

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Feb 21, 2023, 11:29 AM [ in reply to Tell us you don't understand addiction without telling us ]

mainlining from all over the world under the fog of war. 5%--> 90+% in Afghanistan in worldwide opium production during our occupation.

Who's banking all the proceeds from the current fentanyl crisis...? Do you think all of those people 'on the street' are paying with Bitcoin?

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Re: Morning Dose of the Echo Chamber


Feb 21, 2023, 10:54 AM

That's passing a lot of judgment on parents who may not even be in the know that their kids are hooked. I know of one case where the kid got hooked as a young teen due to a sports injury and then passed away years later due to an overdose. Parents had no idea what was happening.

I'm sure you'll easily throw stones at them, but perhaps attempt some sort of empathy. For once.

I don't think the "government should save us!" approach really works, either, but it's easy to sit back and judge parents for this when you haven't been in their shoes.

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Feb 21, 2023, 11:09 AM

You've certainly posted some doosies before (my favorite was your meltdown over the coffee cups) but this is plain ole stupid. Making drug addiction political, and blaming it on "the left" and bad parenting is very tone deaf. I'm sure if you looked into it you would find that opioid addiction is highest in a lot of what some consider to be "red states".

Only left leaning people use/abuse drugs? Only bad parents/poor people have kids that are strung out? Get a grip, this is truly embarrassing.

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Re: Morning Dose of the Echo Chamber


Feb 21, 2023, 4:36 PM [ in reply to Re: Morning Dose of the Echo Chamber ]

I still stand behind the OP

I read this and ask W T F? This says the opioid crisis is due to
- health care system's resistance to providing addiction care
- insurance companies won't pay for treatment
- US's non-gubment controlled healthcare system

which is true. You guys can twist it all day long, but it is just a plain as day example of a leftist media outlet writing for the echo chamber. And, the fact that you are all triggered means I'm right LOL.

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And you are so b u t t hurt over the coffee cup that was 100% legit pandering to the granolas. That's the funniest thing since Dave Chappelle.

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Re: Morning Dose of the Echo Chamber


Feb 21, 2023, 1:30 PM

The article doesn't seem to be about children in particular. I'm not sure what you think would be gained if the article announced that people deserve to have problems if they take drugs. The article was focusing on ways to make it easier for people who want help, to get help.

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Feb 21, 2023, 4:43 PM

The article reflects a leftists way of thinking. The author never contemplated any type of strategy related to personal or individual responsibility. Why are people getting hooked on opioids? Maybe there's something that can be done BEFORE it becomes a life and death situation.

But, no - no contemplating that type of approach.

People are obese - 'we demand treatments' they say. W U T? How about don't eat so much?

No, no, no you morons cannot have any of this type of common sense. And don't give me the 'some people are obese b/c they have a disease' bullchit. 99% of Americans are fat because they eat too much and eat unhealthy foods. So, you can talk about the 1%, but I'm referring to the 99%.

Yes, indeed, individual responsibility is a foreign concept to you guys.

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Feb 21, 2023, 4:48 PM

Thanks for the thoughtful response. However, individual responsibility isn't a foreign concept to me.

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Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale hath had its effect: like a man, who hath thought of a good repartee when the discourse is changed, or the company parted; or like a physician, who hath found out an infallible medicine, after the patient is dead.
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