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My NFL musings
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My NFL musings


Sep 27, 2017, 6:12 AM

TL;DR NFL Sucks, Go Tigers

I can imagine this was a hotly debated topic the past week

I rarely get on the boards anymore since I switched professions almost 2 years ago, I neither have the time nor easy access to the internet I had while working in banking. But these recent NFL protests has made me curious as to how many others share my views

Last year when Kaepernick started all this mess I wrote it off as some delusional idiot influenced by a wacko muslim activist girlfriend, and while it ticked me off at the time, he played in one of the most liberal cities in America so I wasn't surprised when his team didn't do anything about it. Nevertheless it still turned me off on wanting to watch the NFL and I pretty much just watched the Panthers games, not caring about the rest of the league. His reasoning for protesting our flag, albeit flawed in reasoning from the start in my opinion, was immediately made void when he wore that Castro shirt, and thus any argument in support of him was made laughable.

The 4 letter network pundits were all too quick to point out how it was his and other players 1st amendment rights to kneel during the anthem in protest which I scoffed at as utterly ridiculous, because as employees you give up a lot of 1st amendment rights and you don't have the right to do whatever you want even if you feel strongly about it. For instance when I was in banking would I have the right to put a sign on my desk stating that abortion is murder, something I feel strongly about? Of course not, I'd be told to take it down or I'd be fired. So the notion that they can kneel and the owners/coaches can throw up their hands and say "well it's their right to protest" is absolutely insulting to anyone that can think logically.

This season with the spread of protesting I became completely off put by it all. The owners and coaches had had an entire off season to address it and get things straightened out. All they had to do was put in guidelines saying "while you're wearing that uniform or representing this team you will respect the flag of the United States, on your own time you can champion whatever cause you feel like promoting." It's literally that simple, that's all that needed doing, and it wasn't done. With the spread of protests mounting through the pre season I became increasingly incensed with the lack of control coming from owners and coaches, until week 3 of this year I only watched two games, both Houston Texans games because I wanted to cheer for Watson and see how he did

Then of course this past weekend President Trump exercised his 1st amendment rights and all the media lost their minds over it and acted like he was the one that started all this divisiveness even though it had been going on and alienating people for well over a year. Suffice to say obviously a lot more players were going to jump on the FU Trump bandwagon but now to me it was made personal and the owners were so quick to try and appear like they backed the players "right" to disrespect our flag. That was the last straw for me, the utter stupidity of the NFL and owner not having a finger on the pulse of the majority of football watching Americans, they wanted to be so quick to be seen as being politically correct.

The Texans vs. the Bengals game last week was the last NFL game I will ever watch. I am so intensely angered by the lack of respect by these spoiled brats and these billionaire owners that I will never again watch another NFL game. I'm not sure they realize how badly they've screwed up all of this. There will always be die hard fans and people willing to fill stadiums, but who they should be skittish to offend and drive off are the casual fans like myself and others like me. I don't think they understand just how many people they've alienated by allowing this complete lack of respect to fester and grow and then embrace it all in the name of trying to be politically correct and then cry out for "unity" by locking arms, give me a break!

This week I tore up and threw away the few items of NFL gear I had. And as a manager for my company I called and unsubscribed from NFL Sunday Ticket, I told my guys at work why and that we wouldn't be supporting the NFL or indirectly any advertisers anymore if I could help it

I am curious as to if anyone else followed this millennial's actions

I sincerely hope all former and present Tigers make a ton of money playing in the NFL, I simply won't be watching

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Re: My NFL musings


Sep 27, 2017, 6:29 AM

I second that...free speech you know!

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Re: My NFL musings


Sep 27, 2017, 6:38 AM

Very thoughtful post and I applaud your convictions ... just like I applaud some NFL players for theirs.

I think two things stand out to me in all these discussions ...

(1) You said towards the end there is "the lack of respect". I don't think players are showing this and they are quite clear they are not disrespecting veterans. Yet so many are putting words in their mouths and then reacting to them.

(2) These "protests" happen before the start of the game, at some point in the two hours before kick-off that has endless talk about things (including this) and commercials (lots of those). I try to avoid this, I assumed everyone did.

Looking at the bigger picture ... it seems everything conspires to cause people to lose sight of what matters ... the press, the tweets, fake news, etc.

Maybe one day the terrible NFL will be completely gone ... the NBA too. That would virtually eliminate college sports. Will we all think we got to a better place?

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Sep 27, 2017, 7:49 AM

With apologies, I must take exception with your "(1)" comment. You say that the players have made it clear that they are not disrespecting veterans... I contend that "words are not enough." With their mouths, they say they are not disrespecting, but with their actions, they are.

If I tell my wife every day how much I love and respect her, while at the same time carrying on extramarital affairs with other women, then do I really love and respect her? You tell me... Wouldn't you say that my actions speak louder than my words?

Go Tigers! Beat the Hokies!

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Re: My NFL musings


Sep 27, 2017, 9:17 AM

I'm not sure the example makes sense. The words say love but the actions don't (in your example).

For the players kneeling is not saying "I disrespect vets" ... even if you want to claim otherwise.

Now if the players turned their back on the flag I would agree with what you are saying, but that hasn't happened that I know of.

Here is a curious question ... what could players do before the start of an NFL game to draw attention to their opinion that there is not "justice for all" in today's America? Since the flag is supposed to stand for that according to the Pledge of Allegiance.

The other option is to stop with the national anthem before sporting events.

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Sep 27, 2017, 5:15 PM

Maybe the example was not the best, but you apparently caught my meaning.

As far as the players not saying "I disrespect vets" by not kneeling, again we disagree. When they refuse to stand at attention to honor the flag, they are indeed showing disrespect for both the country and veterans who have fought and died for it.

And your comment about "...if they turned their back on the flag", do you not consider refusing to honor the flag as pretty close to turning their backs?

Now, to your "question" about what they could do before the game... well, perhaps they could gather with their teammates and coaches to discuss the game plan. Why do they think they have the right to use the platform of a football game to express their displeasure with what they perceive to be an injustice? Most of them enjoy countless interviews with the sports papparazzi (sp? sorry) before and after the game; not to mention that ESPN has changed it's name from "Entertainment and Sports Programming Network" to "Entertainment and Sports Political Network", so they're always available to carry the voice of discontent.

I used to love watching NFL football... every Sunday and Monday... but that's when it was "about football." Unfortunately, it's no longer that way. In my case, instead of taking out advertising to complain about the complainers, I take a different approach: I change the channel. In so doing, I don't infringe on anyone's rights.

My point is simple: When I go to a football game, I am there to see football. Anything that distracts from this is offensive. I don't recall what the "minimum salary" of an NFL player is, but I'm pretty sure that if they want to buy advertising time APART FROM the football game, they can darn well afford it.

Solid Orange... back to football... Go Tigers!

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Re: My NFL musings


Sep 27, 2017, 6:40 AM

Yeah, it's a pretty sad state of affairs. I, too, have sworn off the NFL in total disgust.

I especially liked your comment about "...President Trump exercised his First Amendment Right and the media lost its mind..." So true. The hypocrisy in the media is even more disgusting than the disrespect for America being shown by NFL athletes.

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Re: My NFL musings


Sep 27, 2017, 7:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkwi9NZAfes

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Sep 27, 2017, 7:50 AM

I am with you. Dems can justify anything - riots, statues, the flag - but let a Repub say something and all hell breaks loose. All this nonsense just leads to greater polarization and harder feelings. As per the voting map, the red counties need to stand up and put an end to this.

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Why doesn't a reporter ask how to get them to stand?


Sep 27, 2017, 8:03 AM

My big question... I want a reporter to ask some of those taking a knee how long is this going to go on? How do they know when it it time to stand back up and show their respect for the flag and country?

I know it was originally (and I assume still) being done to bring attention to the issues with the treatment of minorities by law enforcement, but my question remains... how do we correct this? And who is the "grand master" that decides thing are ok? What exactly do we do/what exactly do they want?

I want specifics... not "minorities need to be treated better>' How do they need to be treated better? What specifics do they want? What will make them stand up?

Do we need to provide more social programs? Do we need to pay each minority reparations? Do we need to start killing whites/others to "make up" for the past? What exactly do we need to do?

And more important, who decides when we "are there"? No question that there are problems. No question that we aren't there... but when? And why won't any network/reporter take this on and start asking for specifics?

Everyone wants to complain, but not offer solutions. Similar things happen in business all the time - but you can't work on a problem if you don't know the specific things that need to be addressed. I want a list of "solutions" that are addressable. None of this "treat me better" --- "it's not fair." Sounds like my kids -- when they get upset I won't buy them something or let them do what they want.

Is that the solution... give me more and let me do anything I want?

Sorry for the rant... just I wish someone would provide an answer as to how we get this all to end....

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I think that is part of the problem for both sides


Sep 27, 2017, 8:39 AM

There is no specific, decisive way that we can address these issues. Those protesting haven't said anything specific because nothing specific will work. And those against the protests want something specific so that they can quickly address those and get the protests over with. It really is a complicated situation.

At the end of the day, I don't believe the protesters are able to change anything. Racism will still continue in this country. These protests might actually be making the truly racist even more hate-filled. However, that's not a reason that they should stop.

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Re: I think that is part of the problem for both sides


Sep 27, 2017, 10:42 AM

So it just is going to go on forever? No end?

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Re: My NFL musings


Sep 27, 2017, 8:09 AM

Well stated OP. I am one of those who almost never watches the NFL, having only watched last year's SB, and 2 DW4 games this year. I just don't care for them. I haven't watched the NBA in years. They are worthless IMO.

Anyway - having said that - I think you are wasting your breath trying to make these protesters, and those who support the protesters, understand how disrespectful they have been and still are. It seems that they are self-serving and do not give one iota of concern for anything other than themselves. Good luck trying to convince them of their wrongdoing. But boycotting everything related to NFL and NBA is a good start. If anyone thinks this crap stops today, they are seriously kidding themselves. This problem will not go away - ever. I'm still ticked that they destroyed Confederate monuments of brave soldiers who were respected for their bravery, until these a-holes came along. Tearing them down offends those of us who respect bravery, and just because it offends someone, it should not be torn down if that deed offends someone else. Tearing them down would make one a SUPREMACIST.

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I executed a preemptive strike against the NFL.


Sep 27, 2017, 8:30 AM

I quit watching it 20 years ago.

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Its too much like watching two big companies play


Sep 27, 2017, 5:17 PM

a game. Aetna Vs Blue Cross in the spreadsheet bowl.


Who gives a chit?

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