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Re: Opinion piece from Gold Star spouse and veteran.
Sep 12, 2020, 11:10 AM
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Obama withdrew us from Iraq generally. That saved thousands of troops lives in comparison to W. That is a pretty drastic change from W.
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Yes I would say that O did not involve American lives in as much military conflict as W,
Sep 12, 2020, 11:19 AM
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although that’s not terribly surprising when you consider 9/11 happened during W’s term.
Just wanted to post another perspective in light of the “suckers” accusation. Dozens of people claiming it was never said...military personnel speaking to his behavior and the respect he showed them. And again, like the article I linked about Superfund sites earlier this week...the sentiment about how Obama was eloquent, but didn’t actually back it up with action.
Anyway, just one man’s opinion, but thought it worth sharing.
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it is simple,
Sep 12, 2020, 11:28 AM
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who has a long, documented track record for lying, Trump, or the editor and chief at the atlantic?
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I didn’t say anyone lied. I will say they lack journalistic integrity.
Sep 12, 2020, 12:00 PM
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Anyone who reads The Atlantic and cannot see the clear disdain they have for the President is just not paying attention. The integrity of a publication is only as strong as the current leadership, just like the WaPo or NYTs.
I believe the reporter who says four people came to them with this accusation. I also believe that it is unconscionable to report it as anonymous sources. It’s okay to publish using anonymous sources in the interest of safety (anonymous sources say the FAA has cut their inspections by 50%), not for gossipy political garbage like this. And then to have over 20 people, including harsh critics of Trump, say they were there and never saw it, and then have articles like this claiming just the opposite treatment. The Atlantic should be ashamed of themselves.
It is my hope that that is helpful as well.
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Re: I didn’t say anyone lied. I will say they lack journalistic integrity.
Sep 12, 2020, 12:05 PM
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You're naive when it comes to Trump, but nobody can question your loyalty.
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Carlsbad, I respect your stance on Trump, and I can
Sep 12, 2020, 12:17 PM
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only ask you to take my word for it that I don’t consider myself blind to the way in which Trump demeans the office of the presidency with his rudeness, pettiness and divisiveness.
But when four anonymous sources come to a publication that is openly hostile toward Trump with a rumor about a comment from Trump...and it is refuted by over 20 people on the record, including a man who is literally being prevented from publishing a tell-all book by Trump’s administration, then other people like this also speak to the kindness and compassion shown to them...is it possible in your opinion that you might be a bit naive about the tactics his opposition will go to in order to smear him?
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Re: Carlsbad, I respect your stance on Trump, and I can
Sep 12, 2020, 12:28 PM
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Trump says anything and everything and gives little thought. Then later he denies. He has been a lying fraud his whole life. He might not have said it, but there is absolutely no reason to believe his word. None. The person who wrote the article is known for her character, honesty, professionalism, and integrity. Maybe she was duped? It's possible, but there is no reason to ever believe a word out of Trump's mouth.
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It's been confirmed by multiple news outlets including Fox
Sep 12, 2020, 2:13 PM
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So, no, she was't duped.
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Re: It's been confirmed by multiple news outlets including Fox
Sep 12, 2020, 2:19 PM
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Maybe they are part of the Deep State who wants to slander Trump? They are part of the duping obviously.
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Re: Carlsbad, I respect your stance on Trump, and I can
Sep 12, 2020, 3:55 PM
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There may not be much of a reason to believe Trump on many things. His mouth is his own worst enemy. The guy needs to stick to a ###### and not speak like he’s at a WWE match.
That said, there’s also not much reason to believe these leaks, anonymous sources, and media outlets either. We already know of one successful multimillion dollar lawsuit with the Covington kid and we witnessed the depths a news organization will go to show a false perspective. I think there are other lawsuits in the works now from others mistruths. But basically, there’s more reason to be suspicious of news outlets now more than ever...and that goes for both sides.
Trump should get criticisms no doubt and I think we’ll see them all brought forth during the debates. But from the actions he’s taken with our military, I’d highly doubt that’s his true opinion of the men and women in the armed forces. The actions just don’t seem to reflect that.
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Re: it is simple,
Sep 12, 2020, 10:25 PM
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I believe the editor and chief of the Atlantic helped lie W into the Iraq War. Oh, and i think he just admitted the sources for this recent story were bogus.
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You're not that stupid, I don't think.
Sep 13, 2020, 12:05 PM
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The writer wasn't in the room. The honesty of the writer may be in question but not necessarily. You may believe the writer without believing the story since it was secondhand information. If four lied to the writer that doesn't dismiss his credibility.
This isn't a Trump said vs a writer said. This is now about the 21 people who publicly said it didn't happen and the 4 who anonymously claimed it did.
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TU all ^^^. Thoughtful & respectful thread.***
Sep 12, 2020, 12:42 PM
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Re: Opinion piece from Gold Star spouse and veteran.
Sep 12, 2020, 3:43 PM
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Am I mistaken or did the Biden campaign have a TV ad ready to go the day the story broke...that’s impressive.
I also want to know how these 4 anonymous sources were confirmed. Between each other? Why not come forward? Afraid of losing their jobs? Why would they want to remain in such a position with a high degree of likelihood of Trump remaining president? Why not resign and write a book like everyone else?
I also want to know why not a single mention of this was brought up in the 30 months that have passed since this incident supposedly occurred. I’ve heard of rape allegations being delayed because of shame from the victim,,,but what about this? Why the timing?
I think I know the answers to these questions with it being less than 60 days till election, but I’ll just sit back and watch everyone tear each other apart. I feel like I know the outcome to this flick but I still enjoy the action sequences.
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