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Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 12, 2020, 10:31 AM
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courses? I've tried looking it up online and can't find anything that describes these majors and the courses they include. I also wonder if these majors are available to non athletes. I'm just curious and also wonder why it is so hard to find information on them. I know we have very few scholarship athletes who have real college majors.
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If you are somehow implying...
Feb 12, 2020, 10:35 AM
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that student-athletes are not enrolled in and/or working toward legitimate degree programs, you couldn't be any more misinformed.
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Re: If you are somehow implying...
Feb 20, 2020, 7:22 PM
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I'm certain you are correct, but times must have seriously changed since I was in college in the 60's-70's. EVERY athlete that managed to be in any of my classes were the absolute dumbest and/or laziest students, and managed to cut classes more than they attended. I guess all that has changed as they now get their degrees in 3 years, which is extremely taxing IMO. I cannot even imagine doing that, without also being an athlete and having to practice often. Amazing transformation. We now have supermen I guess.
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 12, 2020, 10:35 AM
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I suspect it is on a need to know basis.
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 12, 2020, 10:45 AM
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I completely agree with you.
For example our December 2019 graduates from the football team graduated with degrees in silly things like:
Management Sociology Pre Med Communications Construction Science and Management Finance History Political Science Civil Engineering and a Masters in Communication Tec and Society
How long can our football program keep up these sham majors?
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 21, 2020, 7:27 AM
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OP forgot to whine about the Masters in Athletic Leadership which includes classes in marketing, research methods, finance, legal issues, ethics, conditioning, facilities management, governance, sociology, psychology and administration. Interestingly, these are many of the responsibilities of a high school or college AD. Sounds like a solid curriculum with a realistic goal.
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 12, 2020, 10:45 AM
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Generally the "stars" that have a shot at the league will done something such as communications, general business, or PRTM. Enrolled in the classes with just any student at Clemson. I did have a couple in engineering with me, and know of some non-NFL caliber guys getting tougher degrees in biology and stuff. But to answer your question, they take the same classes as everyone else. I actually had a 300 level English class with Mike Williams.
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 20, 2020, 6:11 PM
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I took English 102 my freshman year at Clemson back in the late '80's and had a football player in the class who was in his third year of college. I thought to myself, how do you make it to your third year of college and you're still in freshman english? Anyhow, midway through the semester he dropped the class. I suspect some freshman the following year was trying to figure out how do you make it to your fourth year of college and you're still in freshman english?
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 12, 2020, 10:47 AM
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You're either trolling or didn't do any research.
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Sheesh. Ask a legitimate question and get accused of being
Feb 12, 2020, 5:59 PM
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a troll, a coot or plain lazy. I simply asked what the majors consist of. What exactly is Communication, Sports Communication, General Business, Pre-Business, Health Science? I can guess at those but not sure about them. That's all I'm asking. Those are the types of majors that didn't use to exist and I've not heard of any regular students majoring in those. In no way did I imply cheating, not going to classes, etc. Also, I have no problem with them not being Rocket Science and Brain Surgery. Having so many players graduate in 2 1/2 or 3 years when non athlete students have a hard time graduating in 4 years makes me wonder too.
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Also, thanks to those who gave me a legitimate answer. ***
Feb 12, 2020, 6:00 PM
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Re: Sheesh. Ask a legitimate question and get accused of being
Feb 12, 2020, 6:16 PM
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Implying that there are majors just for athletes is very troll-like. They major in the same things all other students do. There are no “athlete majors”.
As for graduating in 3 years, many athletes stay for summer sessions plus enroll at least a summer ahead of regular students. For example, our early enrollees are enrolled for spring and both summer sessions. They’ll have nearly a year of coursework done before ever playing in a game...
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Re: Sheesh. Ask a legitimate question and get accused of being
Feb 12, 2020, 9:36 PM
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You don't know ####!! My son scored 1435 on his SAT, and was accepted in engineering and the Calhoun Honors. He changed majors to psychology as a sophomore. I was very pissed and told him he would need to have a doctor degree to make a living in psychology, I was pissed for 2 and a half years until he he told me he had full scholarship to Wake Forest Seminary. He graduated from Clemson ### laude and is an ordained minister. What I'm telling you is you have no idea what these young men have in mind in picking their major.
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Re: Sheesh. Ask a legitimate question and get accused of being
Feb 20, 2020, 5:31 PM
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Most kids in public schools these days have the opportunity to take AP or dual credit classes and start college with anywhere from 3 to 30 credit hours. At least some of our scholarship athletes stay on campus year round and can knock out 3 or 4 classes in summer school each year.
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Re: Sheesh. Ask a legitimate question and get accused of being
Feb 20, 2020, 5:44 PM
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1. You pretty much accused Clemson of cheating.
2. It literally took me 30 seconds to look up every single curriculum you listed. Except for "general business" which doesnt exist at clemson.
3. If you haven't heard of those majors you clearly haven't been on a college campus on the last 30 years
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Re: Sheesh. Ask a legitimate question and get accused of being
Feb 21, 2020, 11:31 AM
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Assuming things haven’t changed in the 10 years I’ve been out, freshman and sophomores who intend to obtain a degree in one of the business majors, such as accounting, finance, management, marketing etc., are listed as Pre-Business majors until they’ve completed their prerequisite coursework, which includes introductory coursework in accounting, finance, management, marketing, etc. Once completed, generally at the conclusion of sophomore year, these students then have to declare a specific business major, such as accounting.
I think I may also be able to shed some light on how many of our football players are able to graduate early. I attended a small rural high school and enrolled at clemson with zero college credits. Despite never taking a Maymester or summer course, I was able to graduate on time, but to your point I had a lot more time to devote to my studies than football players do. However, it’s becoming more and more common for freshman to enroll with a substantial amount of college credits. But most importantly, since football players are already staying on campus for summer workouts, they’re likely taking full courseloads during summer session. They probably take one or two Maymester courses as well. (Maymester classes meet numerous times per week for several hours at a time to basically cram an entire semester’s worth of coursework into a month).
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 12, 2020, 10:49 AM
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They have majors like any other student. Tony Elliot was a chemical engineer at Clemson. Christian Wilkins was a communication major if I remember correctly. There are some who have sports management major, others doing business majors. I remember aa couple of the new guys are construction management majors.
The majors are not listed anywhere that I know, but you can pick it up from media stories etc. Thats where I got this information.
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Re: Tony was a Civil Engineering major
Feb 12, 2020, 10:57 AM
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Thanks for the correction. my memory is failing at my age.
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OOps. Its Industrial Engineering in link
Feb 12, 2020, 11:03 AM
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Now that I read the link its industrial engineering. not sure where you got civil but shall we say an engineering degree.
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 12, 2020, 11:32 PM
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"I know we have very few scholarship athletes who have real college majors." Clemson is not UNC. Athletes attend real classes and have legitimate majors.
Information about Clemson majors: https://www.clemson.edu/degrees/index.html
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 20, 2020, 4:56 PM
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I would suspect that most of the majors that are chosen by the students athletes are those fields of study that do not require a lot of laboratory classes and others that extend into the late afternoon. From my own experience as a Clemson student, there is no way that I could have possibly participated in sports or other campus activity that required me to be at practice, meetings etc because I had afternoon labs until four o’clock almost every day. I guess that is another reason why I respect the college athlete so much. There is only a few hours in a day.
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 20, 2020, 6:20 PM
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One good thing that has helped is the fact that some classes are now available online to all students. It's possible to study while traveling. Time management is everything.
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 21, 2020, 9:28 AM
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Couple of serious thoughts about the subject of a question that was obviously biased and badly intended.......
I have also been nervous about the number of our graduates who complete their college degrees in less than four full years. It took me 4.5 and I went to summer school twice. So how do our football players graduate so quickly? So I thought about the question.
I started a long time ago and I went to Clemson having completed zero advanced placement classes. When my own kids started school, all three of them had at least 15 hours of advanced placement credits that were recorded on their transcripts and counted toward completion of their degrees.
I had a lot of fun at Clemson often at the expense of academics. Like a great many of my non-scholarship athlete friends and classmates, I goofed off a lot for several years, more or less coasting through easy classes and dropping those classes that were hard and the ones where I only started to study the week before mid-terms. In short, I was a terrible student, as were many of my friends. The athletes that we recruit these days almost always have a work ethic way way beyond that of average Clemson students of my era. Today's athletes have an athletic support staff that 'assists' them in going to every class, that monitors their progress weekly, that lines up tutors for them the instant academic weakness is noticed. Athletes who play football were recruited by a head coach who insists they complete their degrees and exercise diligence in the classroom that matches what they display on the field. So the academic support offered to todays scholarship athletes vastly succeeds the level of support most Clemson students had when going to Clemson.
The era of the dumb jock stereotype seems to be fading. In the way back I knew and knew of a few jocks who were dumber than rocks. I'm sure that sort of player still exists, but Clemson has not had a player fail to qualify for a long time. We used to 'lose' several players a year before they even got into school. When I listen to ANY Clemson player being interviewed pre- or post-game, or watch any and every Clemson player with a role in any promotional program video, I am often very much pleasantly surprised at how they speak, what they say and how they come across. If you picked 10 players at random off our team and ten students at random from campus and did a TV interview, I'd bet on the jocks coming across better than the average student. Most of the jocks are well spoken. I worked 40 years for a large Charlotte based corporation and we hired more than a former Clemson football players. I never noticed that any of them were weak performers or out of their depth doing work that required a college degree. I think the jocks of today are, in general, as well prepared for college work as average students.
I am positive that every athlete playing football at Clemson today is remarkably more diligent about everything they do than the majority of students. Most bring a huge and well developed work ethic to life. They learned that work ethic in the gym, but I believe it carries over to life. Perhaps the OP was a highly developed, dedicated scholar who always worked hard on his studies. Most students are not like that. Most football players in our program ARE like that.
Finally, I think the large majority of athletes Clemson recruits to play football come out of high school planning to play professional sports. Most of them have been heading that way for at least 4 or 5 years before enrolling in college and most have had counselors in high school drilling it into their heads that they must get into college, must achieve decent grades and must score reasonably well on standardized test to become a pro athlete. When those same guys get to Clemson, many plan and expect to go pro 3 year after their senior year in high school. Those guys have academic assistance from the athletic department who show them exactly what they have to do to graduate in 3.5 years. They know they must take X number of hours for 6 straight semesters, they must attend two sessions of summer school every summer after the last year in high school. Most players now enter Clemson a semester earlier than was once common getting a semester for full time college at a time most non athletes are still in high school. Finally most players do not graduate in 3 years. Most redshirt a year and/or never play sports. Usually college sports makes it clear they are not going to be NFL players and so they end up graduating a bit later.
So those are my answers to the question of HOW the players do it. I've been out of school a long time and over the years I have grown to think that for many careers what you majored in might not be so important. I've know Clemson guys with RPA degrees who had great careers not remotely related to their field of study. Most of the corporate engineers I knew ended up doing management jobs not really engineering jobs. And the world is full of highly successful people with what would have once struck me as a 'weak' degree.
Well that's what I think.
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 21, 2020, 10:49 AM
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Agree with your comments. High schools today are preparing kids for college work much better than in my day. No comparison. My grandson who is a ninth grader will have a greater chance for survival in college than I ever had because he is being prepared to be a student.
Like you, I always listen to interviews of current players very carefully and it’s easy to see a marked improvement in this area. There was a time when the athletic department had seminars to help players deal with the media. I hope that they still do because it’s very important for them to come across as a person of intelligence when the talk with the media guys.
I don’t have any idea why some make post like the original one here. Obviously,to me, no true Clemson man would ever do that but I find a lot on tnet that is very unclemsonlike !
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This would be a fair question to Bubba at UNC.
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Feb 21, 2020, 7:46 AM
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However...apparently his answer to the NCAA of “nun ya bidness” was sufficient.
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Re: This would be a fair question to Bubba at UNC.
Feb 21, 2020, 8:24 AM
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Lol ... and - of course - backed up by a roomful of lawyers !! -">
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 21, 2020, 8:12 AM
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Surprised the original post didnt go over worse.
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Re: Does anybody know anything about college athlete majors and
Feb 21, 2020, 12:32 PM
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My question is more about the high school credits. How do all these players get the classes completed to be available to enroll in January? They spend several summers doing football camps and visiting colleges not to mention official & unofficial visits during the school year. I’m convinced I would have flunked out of HS with that much on my plate.
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I'll be honest...
Feb 21, 2020, 5:18 PM
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The OP's post was scarce on legitimacy and high on innuendo...and pretty disrespectful...
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