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Clemson has outscored Boston College 131-33
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over the last decade at Chestnut Hill. And before you "Trevor this" or "Deshaun that", the second highest scoring game for the good guys was DJU last year. Florida State gave up 29 in one game 4 days ago. BC only scored 24 against Northern Illinois - IN OVERTIME. The only scored 31 against Holy Cross. Nebraska's utterly putrid offense put up 35 on North Illinois. Just food for thought while trying to convince yourselves about how great Norvell and his Noles are.
We allowed 77 against Duke over the equivalent number of games in Durham (4). That 2.3 times what we allowed at BC. So if you're finding someway to excuse FSU's performance at BC then you should be willing to excuse up to 44 points or so surrender at Duke. Because that would be the relative performance.
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Devils advocate here but we lost to Duke by 21 points
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So theres that.
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Re: Devils advocate here but we lost to Duke by 21 points
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So which do you think was more of an outlier. Us only scoring 7 at Duke (far more signifcant than them scoring 28) or them giving up 29 to a terrible offense while having a total defense ranked over 100? Considering we won every statistical category except turnovers in the Duke game I'm pretty sure it a bigger outlier than a bad defense performing badly. But I guess we have to wait till Saturday.
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we will have to wait until Saturday....
Sep 20, 2023, 8:38 PM
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I see it being a close game tbh, based on home game FSU history alone, no particular football reason.
but our "outliers" have become more trends lately (3-4 vs last 7 P5 teams).......so we'll see
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Re: we will have to wait until Saturday....
Sep 20, 2023, 8:43 PM
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I'm choosing to believe that our young qb is growing and that our coaches are finding complimentary weapons for him. He had a major setback against Tennessee but seems to be steadily making progress. DJU never recovered from the game against Georgia except for a single, inexplicable Wake Forest game. I've watched enough football to know not to pick the outcome. But I have no reason not to be confident in our guys.
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Last seasons losses dont count for this season
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Different team, New OC, new starting QB from last season. Three out standing True Freshman in Peter Woods, TJ Parker, and Tyler Brown.
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that's correct, but they do count in the trend......
Sep 20, 2023, 8:50 PM
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that continued through at least the first game of the year.
Like I said....I see this game being close.
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Trends only matter to sports pundits, and as it relates to Clemson..
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over the past 15 years the pundits always end up wrong.
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no they don't.....trends are used everywhere.....
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both short term and long-term.......right now our 5-year, 2-year, & 9-game trends aren't trending up
but keep believing we're the same 2016-2018 team we once were.......to each their own.
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I didnt say we were as good
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Sep 20, 2023, 9:32 PM
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As that time period. But to think we were going to continue on forever to be as dominant on offense and defense as we were for the six straight CFB appearances, 4 national title game appearances, and two national title victories is absurd. The “trends” still don’t matter. The only thing that matters is this, the way we finish the rest of the season and the fact that Dabo has always proven the doubters wrong. So show up and show out on Saturday. All that nonsense the pundits talk about doesn’t matter.
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Agreed. Finish 12-1 go back to CFP
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To prove “Dabos way” either works or don’t work.
I’m not convinced it does but I’m open to him proving me wrong
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Ok, so our blow out loss doesn't count, but fsu's close win
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Sep 20, 2023, 9:07 PM
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Does. Got it.
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Re: Ok, so our blow out loss doesn't count, but fsu's close win
Sep 20, 2023, 9:18 PM
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My point is Saturday will resolve it and this is interesting but will have little to do with the final result. Speculation is fun but we will know for sure in a few days.
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Re: Ok, so our blow out loss doesn't count, but fsu's close win
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Just to make sure we are talking about the point I was responding to, VizTiz wrote, “But I guess we have to wait till Saturday.”
My comment was, that is the most relevant point because everything else is idle speculation. I was agreeing with that quote.
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BC has become FSUs Achilles heel
Sep 20, 2023, 8:34 PM
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Even though they’ve won 5 straight, 4 of those wins are by 3 points or less. They dominated them before that red bandana whipping in 2017.
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Re: Clemson has outscored Boston College 131-33
Sep 20, 2023, 8:35 PM
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We have never played that QB....he is a legit total threat. You are comparing apples and oranges.
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Re: Clemson has outscored Boston College 131-33
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Who? The BC quarterback or the FSU quarterback? They basically played to a standstill. And our offense is the worry not the defense.
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Re: Clemson has outscored Boston College 131-33
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Irrelevant and immaterial. This is Clemson against Florida State.
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Re: Clemson has outscored Boston College 131-33
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Do you know how to read?
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Re: Clemson has outscored Boston College 131-33
Sep 20, 2023, 8:59 PM
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We need to establish a running game and limit fsu's time of possessions. Plus win the turnover margin in order to win. Fsu's offensive line will not be able to push our defensive front around.
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As much as I'd like to I don't see any transitive
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correlations in our respective performances vs BC in terms of this Saturday.
FSU played their first nooner on the road against an always tough but normally on the wrong side of the equation BC. Could they have been overlooking that game some in anticipation of playing us? Some factor, probably. But now they also have a road league nooner under their belts which improves that factor heading into this weekend.
Winning is hard, and sometimes an inferior opponent on paper just has your number that day. FSU managed to outlast and overcome that type of game in Boston, so they have that under their belt also. We've managed that same feat many times over the years in championship seasons, and sometimes on the wrong side - it's part of the mix.
FSU has been up there with Georgia as our biggest rival the last bunch of decades. While Georgia is more personal, FSU is more often, and largely the one program standing in the way of league titles. Neither of us is each other's Duke or BC.
I do feel like we match up very well with FSU in all phases minus PK, and we have tons of tape on their QB, this being his year 6. I trust Wes to dial up some smothering nasty to bury their passing attack, and G Money to put his under the radar WR and QB corps to work bigly. With a 2-headed monster in the backfield, we have a lot of firepower we're bringing into High Noon Saturday.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Clemson has outscored Boston College 131-33
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God bless the transitive property
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TL;DR
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Just win, baby.
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Tell 'em coot, no one knows losing better than you
Sep 21, 2023, 4:31 AM
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fno.
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SCU beat us by a point a week after they blew UT the F out,
Sep 21, 2023, 12:20 AM
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so we should win the OB handily based off your calculations
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Re: SCU beat us by a point a week after they blew UT the F out,
Sep 21, 2023, 8:03 AM
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That is not at all the inference that I was making from that facts but what should I expect from a lying coot?
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Still waiting for those links...or you could just admit
Sep 21, 2023, 1:48 PM
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that I never actually said either of those things and that it was just a fabrication...Either/or...Liar's choice
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Re: Still waiting for those links...or you could just admit
Sep 21, 2023, 5:07 PM
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Or you could just admit that you initiated every bit of #### with me based on - shocker - a lie - and bow out gracefully. No one gives a crap about our little feud. Or you can keep this going. Either is fine with me.
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So you said it, but admit you can't back it up with proof?
Sep 21, 2023, 6:34 PM
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sounds like you lied to me, how would you spin it?
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Re: So you said it, but admit you can't back it up with proof?
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Perhaps it’s just the company you keep - like constantly upvoting and defending a poster like Judge Keller who actively denigrates the football program and makes personal digs at the coach. I know you’ve commented that you think him bashing the football team is funny or great (don’t recall the exact words) because it makes people who do the same to Brownell mad. There is no comparison between those programs and if you’re such a super fan and tearing down Brownell ticks you off so should the same not be true about Swinney? I’m pretty sure you like to throw hypocrite around a bunch too. And no matter how many times you ask I’m not poring through the rabid sack of cats that is your 20+ thousand posts.
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So you made it up then?***
Sep 21, 2023, 6:59 PM
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Re: So you made it up then?***
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Nope. Yet again you resort to lying. This is a weird game you’re playing.
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Re: Are yall talking about the time someone said this
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I’m sure PJ Hall was lying in this scenario
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You clearly said I said Dabo was ripping us off"...Why can't
Sep 21, 2023, 9:05 PM
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you prove it?
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No, not a fabrication at all, that was an assumption that
Sep 21, 2023, 9:03 PM
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someone who grew up less than an hour down the road was a Tiger fan as a child...What Viz did was fabricate things I didn't say...Not surprised you can't tell the difference
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Thank you for clarifying how your
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fabrication came about.
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I'm not surprised you can't tell the difference between
Sep 21, 2023, 9:38 PM
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the two
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Clemson beat Duke week one in football.***
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Apparently everywhere but the scoreboard***
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Re: No, not a fabrication at all, that was an assumption that
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So you are, in fact, going with PJ Hall is a liar. But I CANT simply use search and prove that because you don’t use that word. You just directly contradict him and insist your account is true. That’s calling him a liar but you’ll say the same about me because I can’t direct to a specific post that says “PJ a hall is a liar”. You do internet like a pro.
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I didn't say PJ Hall was a liar, I said I made an incorrect
Sep 21, 2023, 9:37 PM
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assumption...I never said PJ Hall SAID he grew up a Tiger...You fabricated sentences I never said and attributed them to me...Can you not tell the difference?
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Re: I didn't say PJ Hall was a liar, I said I made an incorrect
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I didn’t do that - someone else did. Why don’t you thread stalk them and call them a liar constantly.
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They didn't say I said Dabo is ripping us off***
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Re: They didn't say I said Dabo is ripping us off***
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JFC aren’t we dealing with that separately in this exact thread?
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Please explain to us all....
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In what green skied, inside-out world of unicorn farts do you live in, where assumptions can magically become facts?
That's like eating a bowl of frog turds and crapping out a big ol' slice of red velvet cake.
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Re: Please explain to us all....
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Re: Where did I say either of these things?
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It’s called paraphrasing, summarizing, and hyperbole. Do you see any quotes in there. Have you not chosen to attack me when I engage with others about Brownell? Do you not attack when I say things in support of Dabo? You also lend your approval via TUs to people with really crappy things to say about our football program and lend your approval to folks with a delusional appraisal of our basketball coach via the same. So, while my comments may be snarky, hostile, or hyperbolic, they are not lies as you would perpetuate. They are a reasonable presumption based on how you choose to express yourself on this board.
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So you made it up?***
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Re: So you made it up?***
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Is that your default when something goes over your head. Just because you don’t like the explanation doesn’t mean it isn’t one. Most rational people would, at that point, agree to disagree and move on.
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Re: So you made it up?***
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CM shut up hater
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Say it with your real account***
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I love the fact that all the naysayers talk about trends
Sep 21, 2023, 5:21 AM
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and transitives and historical rivals,
and every one fails to mention that FSU has lost 7 straight in the series. 7.
People see what they want to see, or not - especially when looking in the mirror.
Have a good'un.
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Re: Clemson has outscored Boston College 131-33
Sep 21, 2023, 9:21 PM
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I really think too many of y’all are over analyzing one game for FSU. They are human and honestly I don’t think they took that game too seriously. We are going to get their best shot. If we don’t play lights out we’ll get beat comfortably.
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