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Orange Blooded [2753]
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The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 2:45 AM
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I'll make this concession to OSU fans: I don't like the rule that allows such a play to be called incomplete-- I think the rule should be changed and clarified to rule out this result. That said, that play was ruled *exactly* how it's been interpreted and called consistently for several years now, all across the college football world. So let's not act like it was the wrong call according to the rules. Plays like this happen *ALL THE TIME* and no one blinks an eye out complains. This one got a lot of light and heat shed on it because it was for high stakes in a contested game, but that call was no different than normal -- that is, if you drop the ball too soon after the potential catch, they seem it as having not established possession. Again, I don't like the rule, but we didn't get an unfair break.
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Re: The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 3:18 AM
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The reality of it is judgment calls like that will always be a part of sports. There can be rules made and clarifications to those rules, but ultimately there will ALWAYS be some play that will be in a gray area that an official has to make a judgment on.
I initially thought Ross was bobbling the ball before he dropped it, but I also thought there was no way he could have made a football move because the defender was pushing him from behind as soon as the ball got there. On the replay, he obviously had a solid hold on the ball, but was never allowed to make a move of his own volition - i.e. a football move.
It was the right call no matter how many OSU homers cry otherwise.
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Re: The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 7:51 AM
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I COMPLETELY disagree with you. Are you saying if that was in the endzone, as time expires for the win, it should have been a catch?
A few of our fellow tigers take on this reminds me that opinions are like asholes on many occasions.
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Legend [16879]
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So, because you disagree
Dec 29, 2019, 7:56 AM
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The OP is an a$$ whole? Is that how it works?
Per your scenario...Ross would have been pulling away from the DB...not trying to make a catch, tuck and reverse field, but...I'll just carry on being an a$$ Whole with the OP. I'm good with that.
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Re: The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 8:00 AM
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I thought the play should have been whistled dead if anything. Ross was wrapped up and being pushed backwards. To me his forward progress was stopped.
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Legend [16566]
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Agree. Reminded me of the non-fumble in the second half of
Dec 29, 2019, 8:03 AM
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the ND game where Simmons stripped the runner and they called "forward progress" instead.
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Ross's forward progress was stopped as soon as he caught the ball
Dec 29, 2019, 8:29 AM
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...however briefly.
The rule on this states:
" Rule 4 Ball Declared Dead ARTICLE 3. A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle or declare it dead: a. When it goes out of bounds other than a kick that scores a field goal after touching the uprights or crossbar, when a ball carrier is out of bounds, or when a ball carrier is so held that his forward progress is stopped. When in question, the ball is dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II"
The key term in this case being declared dead. The ball is declared dead when progress is stopped in this case. Once declared dead there can't be a fumble, even when it is in question.
The officials had two choices. Either make the incomplete call or rule forward progress stopped due to Ross being driven toward the Clemson goal line.
Either way, it's fourth down and Clemson punts.
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Re: The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 8:01 AM
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It was a catch and a fumble. They were robbed luckily. On to LSU.
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Re: The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 8:22 AM
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The exofficial working with the TV crew said it as not a catch and he explained it well. Slow motion is not used for that type ruling.
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Re: The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 8:33 AM
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It's not a bad call by the refs due to the rules to an extent. That was a catch though. Reminds of the Dez Bryant catch called no catch.
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Re: The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 8:35 AM
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It was not a catch. The official in the booth didn't hesitate to say so; hence, it wasn't even close. Super slow mo made it look like a catch.
The officials let it play through so there could be a review.
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Re: The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 8:36 AM
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It was an incomplete pass. The officials reviewed it many times and "officially" declared it an incomplete pass. Their decision is the only one that matters. Move on to LSU
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Re: The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 8:25 AM
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Meh. On the same play their was defensive holding on the boundary receiver (#17) with a grab of the jersey limiting separation.
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Re: The TRUTH about the incompletion vs. fumble play:
Dec 29, 2019, 8:30 AM
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You are correct. I saw that, too.
That one should have given us a first down and kept the drive alive.
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