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Why does the US have to fight other countries wars?
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Why does the US have to fight other countries wars?


Apr 19, 2024, 9:50 AM
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Israel, Ukraine, Afganistan, maybe soon Taiwan?

Ohh, but let all those folks cross the border

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Re: Why does the US have to fight other countries wars?


Apr 19, 2024, 9:56 AM
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Ukraine is fighting their war. We are helping cover the costs. Afghanistan was our own war. I hope we never go to war for Taiwan. That would be a disaster.

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That begs the question, why sould we pay?***


Apr 19, 2024, 10:04 AM
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Re: That begs the question, why sould we pay?***


Apr 19, 2024, 11:44 AM
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Because Ukraine is in NATO's interests. So thats why countries are paying for Ukraine to fight the war.. They do the hard part and risk their lives. Its a great deal for us.

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Re: That begs the question, why sould we pay?***


Apr 19, 2024, 3:48 PM
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does ukraine win?

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Re: That begs the question, why sould we pay?***


Apr 20, 2024, 8:13 AM
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Maybe. Time will tell.

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the US borders Ukraine and Afganistan?

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Apr 19, 2024, 9:59 AM
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and Taiwan?

thass some wild #####. I need to brush up on my geography.

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Re: the US borders Ukraine and Afganistan?

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Apr 19, 2024, 10:01 AM
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I am pretty sure Taiwan is off the coast of Florida

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Same reason I have to pay off student loans for other people. Insanity.***

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Apr 19, 2024, 10:00 AM
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So we don't have to fight the countries they're fighting?

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Apr 19, 2024, 10:02 AM
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Just a guess.

Lessons were learned in WW2 and WW1. If you don't support countries against an aggressor, eventually you will have to deal with them directly from a position where they have much more power and resources. We saw this with Japan in the Pacific, taking islands, claiming land, and eventually attacking Pearl Harbor. We saw it in Europe with Hitler taking country after country, only to have to go and fight him as well.

Had we backed China (more) against japan, and other Pacific nations, things could have been very different. Had we backed some of the European states like Poland, etc. Hitler could have been stopped.
We joined South Korea fighting North Korea as Russia backed NK and we backed SK. BUT, we didn't have to fight Russia.

Proxy wars have prevented a third world war for decades now, and they are the preferred solution. We helped Afghanistan and the Taliban against the Russians. We helped Saddam Hussein as well, against Iran. HOWEVER, eventually, fighting enough proxy wars, you learn the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend, as they can then attack you, or your friends. Saddam attacked Kuwait, and the Taliban orchestrated 911.

ANYWAY, this is the detente world set up by Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon, and many others have played along, and it has been a relatively good plan overall, at least with avoiding WW3. Proxy wars are the cornerstone of the most peaceful era of human history, relatively speaking.

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Re: So we don't have to fight the countries they're fighting?

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Apr 19, 2024, 10:04 AM
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IDK, I think our strategy of sitting back while Europe and Asia Systematically destroyed one another, giving the US a 20-year head start in global manufacturing, worked out pretty well for Baby Boomers.

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Lol. And the children of those boomers rely heavily on those same

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Apr 19, 2024, 10:17 AM
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####holes of the past to provide cheaper labor as our manufacturing has been offshored for decades now to allow cheap debt. To their benefit and our ultimate detriment.

I never understood our penchant to trade with China. It never made sense. Until it made perfect sense, and even then it's a bad move. If you can't keep them in check with proxy wars, make them economically dependent. And that's what we've also done. And China played along, prospered, but has turned a corner, as predicted.

One day, in a hundred years or so, I'd love to see what the history books (websites, blogs, whatever they have) say about the American economic empire of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Everyone plays our game now, well most. Japan played it, only to end up in decline. Western Europe has played it as well. Germany has played our game. We took our worst enemies, made them economic allies, and used them to our benefit, then they too prospered and played our game themselves. We have since moved onto less savory trading partners, and they too have benefited. They are not going to continue playing our game though.

India is the next runner up in the scheme, btw. I predict in 20 years, if the wheels stay on, India will be the #1 international trading partner of the US, across an ocean anyway. Poverty, a huge population, excess labor, they're ripe for the picking.

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Balm hates boomers but lives EXACTLY like them.***


Apr 19, 2024, 10:18 AM
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My biggest fear for the future is anti-semitism taking hold.

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Apr 19, 2024, 11:37 AM
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Because the economic system the west currently runs on, is based on centuries old Jewish economic principles. It's a very successful system, and very profitable for everyone, if run morally and with constraint and moderation. BUT, if things go sour with the economy, expect to see anti-semitism increase.

The religious persecution of jews, and the animosity arabs have with the jews, is religious in nature. BUT, worldwide, most antisemitism is not rooted in religion, but in the economy. If you go way back in economic history, it was the jews who laid the foundation upon which America's modern economy is built. Heck, the entire western world now. And it's a hugely successful system. It all stems from debt. And more specifically, usury. Christians today do not think of debt as evil. Quite the opposite. It's an "asset". It builds wealth, and it helps the poor become wealthy, over time, IF controlled and used wisely. For over 1,000 years, charging interest on debt was considered a sin by the Christian church. It was deemed evil as it placed the borrower into servitude of the lender, and allowed the lender to extract labor from the borrower beyond that which was lent. Long ago, during the same period of time Christians vilified usury, it was embraced by the jews. Under the jewish religion, jews who lent money to other jews could not charge interest on that debt (usury). BUT, jews were allowed to charge interest to other non-jews. And this is why, no matter where jews traveled and settled in the world (and they traveled to make wealth in Christian nations), they were always prosperous. They became bankers, and lenders of money over time. With modern regulations on usury though, a system was devised where usury could be limited enough to still help the lender, while not placing the borrower into servitude. And the modern banking system was formed.

What America has added to this equation is something new, and dangerous, and ultimately unworkable over time. We have devised a system where debt can be considered an asset, upon which more debt can be lent, creating more debt, and a larger asset, upon which MORE debt can be lent. This all assumes the lower tier, originating debtor, can pay their debts, and on up the line. Think of it as a pyramid scheme, but instead of cash being the currency, debt is the currency. This is the system that collapsed in 2008 when banks lent more then they should, to people who never could pay it, but the banks saw that higher debt load on the borrower as an asset upon which they could then create even more debt, BIGGER assets, and so on. And when the original scheme unraveled at the lowest level, it unraveled all the way to the top of the financial system, mainly through the derivatives markets.

Countries who prosper on debt have problems when that debt is misplaced, and becomes too large. They become subject to the danger of inflation, which is where the difference in debt lent, versus labor expended to repay the debt, get out of whack and the equilibrium is lost. When this happens, and debt becomes toxic as the currency underpinning it changes in value, and everyone suffers as a result, anti-semitism historically has thrived. The hyperinflation in Weimar Germany led to the antisemitism that defined Hitler and the Nazis. Mismanaged debt, coupled with reparations that were owed by germany for WW1, planted great social distrust in the jewish community, which has always thrived on debt, and who historically introduced it into modern economics.

Human nature says the system of banking and finance we have today is prone to fail. The strength and morality of the jewish religion keeps the evil in lending in check, where less religious or pragmatic people see more money, the jews have always managed to use constraint. Overall, though, today, while using a financial system based on the financial system the jews created over centuries, we have lost the restraint, and used debt for nefarious purposes. We've used it in government to buy votes and reelection for decades now. We've used it to buy huge houses we couldn't afford in the early 2000's. Without a strong moral character, one could fall victim to this type of lending. My very best friend offered me one of the EXACT loans that sank the financial industry in the US. 5 years, interest only, affordable, for only 5 years, for more than I could afford later. I declined the offer, on moral grounds. I did not see my salary tripling in 5 years enough to service my mortgage, which would also triple. That was not just a financial decision, but a moral one to decline that loan. I advised my friend he shouldn't even be selling those loans. My friend lost his job, in large part because he sold those mortgages. His employer went out of business. He and his brothers lost their jobs.

I never understood anti-semitism until college, and taking history courses. But it's not a religious animosity for most, it's blaming a religion for an economic problem that creates anti-semitism. It's subtle. Most people who hate jews don't even know why they do, but there is a reason. There are stereotypes. Who were the bankers in Harry Potter? That wasn't by mistake. There is a deep-rooted history of anti-semitism and its roots are more economic than religious in the west. Except for the hatred of arabs, the antisemitism seen in the west is rooted mostly in the economy the west actually thrives on. And it will rise again if the economy goes south. It always does. When you have back pain bad, you LOVE your doctor when he gives you some pain pills. Get hooked, end up an addict, and die from an overdose, and your family HATES your doctor. Money is the same type of addiction. You LOVE your lender for providing financial relief, only to hate them later if you go broke paying them back. And when your lender becomes greedy and lends you more money than you can repay, or your doctor becomes greedy and keeps writing scriptz for pain pills, you end up hating them both.

There is a lot of fuel for anti-semitism in the United States. A lot of debt. Europe as well. We have taken the morally grounded economic system created by the jewish people, and misused it to our own detriment, over time.

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"Morally grounded"... Not even close. Look at 2007/8 as a prime example.

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Apr 19, 2024, 2:17 PM
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Then the Banksters laughed in the faces of Congress because they OWN THEM.

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Oh, the bankers were not morally grounded at all.


Apr 19, 2024, 2:29 PM
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You can't be giving a newlywed couple 1 year out of college with maybe $40K household income a $400k mortgage, with a fake 5-year interest only rate of less than half the current interest rate, knowing they will have their mortgage nearly triple at year 5. Nothing moral about that. Nothing moral about offering it, OR TAKING IT.

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Remonds me of the Big Short

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Apr 19, 2024, 3:51 PM
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"Variable rate, yeah, those are popular with immigrants, they are just happy to get a loan and will sign whatever you put in front of them,.......... We used to be Bartenders"

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I agree that antisemitism spikes when the economy goes bad....


Apr 19, 2024, 4:20 PM [ in reply to My biggest fear for the future is anti-semitism taking hold. ]
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A few areas of I'd like to add some more context:

The hyperinflation of Weimar Germany didn't define Hitler and the Nazis. Hitler & the Nazis were antisemitic before the hyperinflation. And what finally drove the rest of Germany over a cliff was the Great Depression, when the government of Heinrich Bruning was overly tight in fiscal and monetary policy (the opposite of hyperinflation). It was an overly tight-fisted government that drove many Germans into unemployment & welfare, and that opened them up to the Nazis. Hyperinflation had left the scene many years prior.

In many areas, Jew were not allowed to hold land. So, they were forced to be merchants in order to make a living, because very often agriculture was off-limits to them. And they were also forced into ghettos, such as the Pale of Settlement in Russia, where they were walled-off from most of the rest of Europe.

I think we need to be careful how we label the "success" of jews. The vast majority of Jews were not bankers. And they had poor and rich Jews, just like everyone else. It wasn't a community of rich bankers.

They were also labeled as communists, even though the vast majority of Jews were not communists.

Antisemitism is always something to beware of. It can come at us for any number of reasons.

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Apr 19, 2024, 4:18 PM [ in reply to Lol. And the children of those boomers rely heavily on those same ]
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China's coming apart at the seams, though.

One thing about authoritarian regimes is they're really good at doing things at scale. When consent of the population is of no concern, you can build the really big pyramids.

The problem with that, though, is that when you mess up, it tends to be large...and China's not just been building some awesomely big pyramids - the biggest in history, actually - they built cities full of them. Now 80%+ of their population's capital is tied up in housing ownership since it was by far the biggest investment opportunity available to the public. So they overbuilt - to the tune of enough housing to house three billion people, which is problematic when you only have 1.3 billion and that number's about to plummet like a stone thanks to another really huge-scale authoritarian policy, that being One Child Only. No bueno.

We were overbuilt by, what, 5% in the 2008 crisis?

And unlike Russia, they have very limited energy reserves, and very, very poor soil. They can't keep the lights on and they can't feed their people by themselves, and thanks to two-plus decades now of Wolf Warrior asshattery and endless IP theft, the world's increasingly unwilling to do business with them. And Xi has accumulated more power than even Mao ever had.

I don't see how this has any kind of happy ending for them.

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We don't have to.

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Apr 19, 2024, 10:09 AM
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It's absolutely in our best interests to do so though (in most cases).

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$$$$$$$ and that Global economy thingie????***

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Apr 19, 2024, 10:15 AM
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Well, that, and also not being the biggest swinging military d!ck on the


Apr 19, 2024, 10:21 AM
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planet, something none of us have ever witnessed. And something that is uncomfortable to imagine.

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Re: Why does the US have to fight other countries wars?

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Apr 19, 2024, 10:30 AM
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https://youtu.be/EZWQ2rjwvYk?si=QQsWk3Zl-Q2UUPSm

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Because we are ruled by foreigners.***


Apr 20, 2024, 7:33 AM
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