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TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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Dont tell me about it. Show me _ with Wins vs best competition.
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Apr 18, 2024, 7:33 AM
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But off season and preseason is always mostly talk,
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Re: Dont tell me about it. Show me _ with Wins vs best competition.
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Yea. It’s kind of hard to show you before the games start…
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Agreed
Apr 18, 2024, 2:38 PM
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Unfortunately, as it stands today Riley is one of the worst misappropriations of program funds in Clemson history. The past few years have really honed my pessimism, so I think the issues are worse than they seem. Dabo didn't hire Riley because he was simply the best young OC out there, he got him because he genuinely believed he could help in specific, defined ways that CLEARLY didn't pan out.
Riley has this year to impress before I start calling for his head, and Grisham too for that matter. Injuries have really hurt the receiver room, but that does not exonerate him for one of the worst positional performance drop offs I have ever seen. About ready for Dabo to address WR coach the way he did OL.
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Re: Agreed
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Apr 18, 2024, 7:03 PM
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I’m sure Dabo will be quaking in is boots if you call for anybody’s head
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You dumb
Apr 18, 2024, 7:36 PM
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Ok
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Re: Agreed
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You're an idiot. Dude had dominated at every school he'd ever been in. He comes into a team with a completely depleted offense: a mediocre QB, no star wide receiver, and one of the worst offensive lines in football. He doesn't even get a single year of recruits. Still, our offense is a little improved. But because he didn't turn bad players into a top 10 offense in year 1, you call him "one of the worst misappropriations of program funds in Clemson history?" Again, you're a moron.
People don't realize just how depleted our offense was (I won't get into the fiasco of our head coach calling plays). Cade was seen to have talent in high school, but had not been developed at all, both because our head coach gave him 0 playing time and because the previous QB coach was a cancer who made every QB he coached worse. We were pleasantly surprised by Williams and Brown, but no receiver on our roster would have cracked the three deep of the 2018 and 2019 offenses. The offensive line was in the bottom 5 in the country in 2020 and 2021. And while I like Mafah, neither he nor Shipley are close to an Etienne. You have to rebuild when you let your offense get into the state it was in. And he's already signed two star receivers. You're a moron.
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Re: Agreed
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Unfortunately, as it stands today Riley is one of the worst misappropriations of program funds in Clemson history. The past few years have really honed my pessimism, so I think the issues are worse than they seem. Dabo didn't hire Riley because he was simply the best young OC out there, he got him because he genuinely believed he could help in specific, defined ways that CLEARLY didn't pan out.
Riley has this year to impress before I start calling for his head, and Grisham too for that matter. Injuries have really hurt the receiver room, but that does not exonerate him for one of the worst positional performance drop offs I have ever seen. About ready for Dabo to address WR coach the way he did OL.
Garrett Riley can't execute ball security for the players on the field. He can coach it, but ultimately, it's up to the player to execute their training. I know for a fact that they teach and run ball security drills. Ball security alone sunk the season last year and it was Cade Klubnik, Will Shipley, and Phil Mafah who were at fault on the majority of the turnovers. Also, you cannot tell what type of investment a coach is until they've been in the program system for at least three full seasons. To say that it didn't pan out this early is fairly premature. Let's see season two and find out where the program is. If we are hoisting a trophy at the end of the season, then I'd say it panned out quite well. I do believe that Clemson will take a step forward this season and be selected into the playoff bracket. With a defense such as the one Clemson is bringing forward this season, I'd say that Cade and crew will have plenty of opportunities to score as the defense will do their job to keep them on the field. GO TIGERS!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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I agree with all of that. Dabo simply told it like it is. The fact that we came back and gutted out a fairly successful season (after the way we started) says a lot about the determination of the players and coaches.
I'm looking forward to a 11-12 win season, and hopefully making the CFP.
Go Tigers!!! Start off strong, and finish stronger.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:39 AM
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This is something someone who doesn’t like Clemson football or Dabo Swinney would post.
Oh, wait.
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You arent tired of the annual Spring Dabo Swinney hype machine?
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Apr 18, 2024, 12:21 PM
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I’m all for positivity, but Dabo goes a little overboard sometimes.
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Re: You arent tired of the annual Spring Dabo Swinney hype machine?
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Apr 18, 2024, 1:03 PM
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I take it with a grain of salt bc most coaches all say the same thing. I do agree we have the pieces to be a playoff team. We just have to execute and Cade needs to be better than last year. I didn’t disagree with anything he said. Last year I think him and the team went a little overboard with the hype. This year he had a much more reasonable take.
Regardless, you hate Dabo and Clemson football, for some reason, and I’m gonna call you out every time.
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I hope it makes you feel better to call me out.
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Apr 18, 2024, 1:35 PM
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I certainly don’t hate Clemson football or Dabo though.
It’s sad that opinions you disagree or like are considered hatred.
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Kettle meet Pot ***
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Re: Kettle meet Pot ***
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Exactly. When someone says something negative about Brownell, not insulting just constructive criticism, Judge jumps on them like white on rice.
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Exactly. When someone says something negative about Brownell, not insulting just constructive criticism, Judge jumps on them like white on rice.
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Did you really need to respond twice to my post?***
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Re: Did you really need to respond twice to my post?***
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He might suspect that you have a learning disorder.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:35 AM
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Tropical ain’t gonna like this.
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GR gets a clean sheet of paper and new crayons this year!
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Hope he creates a work of art!
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Clean sheet would be a first
Apr 18, 2024, 11:07 PM
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Since Dabo made him color within the lines all last year.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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I should hope so. Last year was dismal on that side of ball with certain groups.
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QB was mediocre.
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Nothing works great when the QB is mediocre.
Not saying there’s not room for improvement at all positions, but if the QB doesn’t step up it’s not going to matter.
The previous 3 seasons were dampened by mediocre play at QB. That’s the secret sauce. Period.
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Re: QB was mediocre.
Apr 18, 2024, 7:07 PM
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And OL and WR and on and on
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Those groups look A LOT better with a QB***
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:42 AM
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We play UGA right out of the gate. When Riley was at TCU and played them his offense was terrible and ineffective. Not a lot of hope from me in that first game.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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Apr 18, 2024, 9:22 AM
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To be fair, what team that plays Georgia does have a lot of hope?
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Tommy Rees OC at Bama
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Last year beat Georgia by calling a heck of a game on the offensive side of the ball.
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Shut the #### up!!! TROLL!!***
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Yes but that's not apples to apples. GR MAY be able to effectively
Apr 18, 2024, 12:57 PM
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game plan for UGA with Clemson's talent, whereas the talent at TCU may not have been good enough to overcome the talent at UGA, regardless of what the OC wants to do.
Talent matters, of course. Our recruiting classes are consistently well above those of TCU.
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Re: Yes but that's not apples to apples. GR MAY be able to effectively
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True, we do have better recruits and a much better defense. Still, after last season I am reserving my optimism. I will still be beyond excited for the game and scream until I’m hoarse.
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Im glad that the honeymoon is over
Apr 18, 2024, 9:26 AM
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Now it’s time to start raising a family
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
Apr 18, 2024, 9:43 AM
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I was surprised we didn't do better under GR last season but I remain optimistic that he'll step it up this season.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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I don't put any of our struggles on Riley. I think he's one of the best young minds in the sport.
I think our struggles, offensively, have everything to do with our personnel and position coaches.
We lacked an elite playmaker at WR. We lacked a homerun hitting RB. We had a talented, but inconsistent TE. We had a below average OL. And we have a head case at QB that made countless mental mistakes.
On top of that, we had very inexperienced positional coaches.
The Matt Luke hire was big and we return a lot of production on offense + added some dynamic freshman WRs. But I fear we still have so much more left to do before this offense is dominant again like it used to be.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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It won't be dominant again like it used to be but expecting a top 20 offense isn't a tall order.
You're over the target in most everything said.
With the pieces we now have , barring catastrophic injuries at a position group , another dismal performance offensively would necessitate changes
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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When I see the personnel on this offense, I don't see many future NFL players. The talent just isn't what it used to be.
We have young, inexperienced coaches on staff. This is Spiller, Grisham, and Richardson's first ever college coaching job. We are still recruiting well enough, so I'm assuming we are missing on evaluations and/or development. That makes sense with first time coaches on staff.
If the offense doesn't improve, then I would blame the inexperienced coaches. I wouldn't blame the guy that has experience as an OC, that coached in a national title game, and has had top 15 offenses in every year until he arrived at Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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Agreed there isn't much to work with , however A. Williams , Tyler Brown , A Randall ( huge upside ) ,
Wesco and Moore all have NFL potential.
We have a few capable bodies on the O line that Luke could possibly
coach up to NFL potential.
RB is thin after Mafah ( with NFL potential.)
Stool could give the NFL a run if ( big if ) he adds much needed weight.
Summary ( IMO ) Grisham has zero wiggle room.
Richardson is probably safe with the successful contribution from Bentancur
Even more so if Henry surprises.
Spiller is safe until the arrival and successful development of Davidson.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says Tigers are in a better place in year two of Garrett Riley
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I'm not that high on Antonio or Tyler. I think they are nice, complimentary WRs. It would be nice if they complimented Randall, but he's been a total bust so far. Randall is the X-factor for me this year. I said the same thing last year as well.
I hope Jay Haynes emerges as the #2 RB. He adds a speed/explosiveness element that could be big for the offense this year.
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LOSING TO DUKE IS A LOW STANDARD TO COMPARE IMPROVEMENT TO
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beating the 2nd and 3rd worst teams in the SEC East with only FGs and last minute hero drive
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that's the momentum we're riding in on.
Orange Glasses Off. Which Garret Riley shows up on Aug 31st. The National Championship GR. or the BIG12 (isn't that worse defense than ACC) GR.
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We have the country's 3rd-longest active winning streak heading into the
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Apr 18, 2024, 1:20 PM
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next season.
Orange glasses or not that's some pretty heavy duty momentum.
Go Tigers!
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Thanks for that info! I knew we were top 5
Apr 18, 2024, 10:29 PM
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Yet some clowns want to go all the way back to Duke. We had 422 yards in that game to their 374. Wasn’t that the game where we had 200/200 passing and rushing but lost for the first time with that stat for a very very long time.
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Liked pic of Garrett Riley and Pearman
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Go Tigers!
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Re: Liked pic of Garrett Riley and Pearman
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Same of y’all don’t understand a thing about leadership. In the public eye, Dabo has to be positive, even if it seems over the top to the public.
No one would want to be working here as a coach if he publicly tore them apart. Leaders lead, they spin the message and look for the positive in everything, even failure.
I am sure in closed doors Dabo lets them have it when warranted and lets them know when they need to step up.
I want our coach focusing on the positive and encouraging our guys along the way. Behind the scenes, he has to hold them accountable to results, and the changes he made this year show us he still does that.
Go tigers!!!
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You are creating a false dichotomy.
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There are more than two choices here, aside from Dabo's over the top optimism and praise or the public bashing of the team.
There is a LOT of middle ground in there that you and others seem to ignore.
No one wants Dabo to bash his assistant coaches and players. At least I certainly don't.
I want a coach who is generally positive and optimistic, but also realistic about some of the challenges the team is facing. Part of the problem with Dabo's over the top predictions are that they create unrealistic expectations from fans who hang on his every word.
Remember when Dabo said during his rant to Tyler from Spartanburg that many fans' expectation exceeds their appreciation? Well, that's going to happen when Dabo says ridiculous things overhyping our players and team.
If anything, I would rather Dabo publicly be positive but also downplay how good we can be, while privately encouraging players and showering them with positive reinforcement. That seems to be a much better approach than saying that a backup QB will be in the NFL one day, or claiming that we have the best position group in the country, while privately bashing our players with "tough love." The former sets realistic expectations for fans while also giving players plenty of positive reinforcement, while the latter sets the stage for frustrated fans and players who don't feel cared for and supported.
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Re: You are creating a false dichotomy.
Apr 18, 2024, 2:12 PM
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Raising money is critically important for Clemson FB to be successful, and Dabo’s form of messaging has been tremendously effective.
Not didsimilar to politics; candidates couch their messages in ways that, let’s say, ‘shades’ the truth in order to optimize fund raising.
I suspect that many of the attentive ‘older-than-students’ Clemson fans had long ago figured this out.
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Re: You are creating a false dichotomy.
Apr 18, 2024, 3:16 PM
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I will say this, I miss that day of coaches "Poor mouthing" about their team. Lou Holtz was infamous for it and then would have a top 5 team. Danny did it, and early on, Dabo as well. If he ever wraps two-a- days and all buy says we stink, I'm booking tickets to at LEAST the ACC Title game. When he talks good about the O line especially, I get worried. Just my .02. That said, I REALLY hope Coach Luke makes the difference we need. Give Cade an actual pocket and reduce his stress a bit. He can play if he can slow down a bit, but the O line has been bad since the last National Title game and gotten worse annually imo. There is no excuse for that and it starts up front. Give them some protection, Cade can throw, WRs all of a sudden get less contested balls, RBs can eat... all works.
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A better OLine certainly will help, but ..
Apr 18, 2024, 11:04 PM
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… more importantly Cade needs to be able to read the defense, make a decision, and get the ball into our playmakers’ hands much, much quicker for us to have the success we want to have offensively.
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